then why did you have to say something as well

A-5Raven wrote:  I've just read some interesting reviews on the APEX barrel. So far I have never seen it in action, but it's seems to be an upgrade from the Flatline.

The Apex is so tolerant of the cheaper paints that it will pay for itself very quickly in paint cost savings alone.

  Thanks for the info. So far I think I'm going to go for the APEX.

TrivialBeing wrote: SuzukiRider987 wrote: Apex>Flatline. The Apex can do everything the Flatline can and more. And not at the expense of accuracy or the need to use high quality paint like the Flatline. I assume that you mean that the apex is much more accurate than the flatline. How does it compare to a J&J or Lapco Bigshot for example?

Point is that I have not found the Flatline inaccurate. It requires regular cleaning, some care in setup and top of the line correctly sized paint. If you can fulfill those requirements the Flatline shoots exactly equal to the best barrels out there, at those barrel's accurate distances. At extended range, where the others couldn't go, there was some drift due to air currents. But though there were some unexpected misses at long distances, there were hits that could not have been attempted with the other barrels.

The Apex, with some degree of spin dialed in, is excellent. With no spin dialed in it will not shoot as accurately as some of the best if you are shooting paint accurately matched to those barrels. When shooting field paint...where you have no say as to diameter, the Apex is equal to them...using the same paint.

I really want to get an Apex as well - my biggest problem is choosing the threads I would want.  I already have a Flatline for the A-5, so I feel like I shouldn't get A-5 threads, but...   Oh, decisions, decisions!

I also want to toss in my thanks.  I've been considering an APEX, but keep seeing conflicting reviews.  Also, 99% of the time when I see this topic title, there's 50 people telling the poor guy to search and read the zillion threads on the subject.

I don't know about these other people, but most of the other threads are just full of conflicting accounts.  I think this is like the first one where I got to see someone say they compared it to a J&J (which is a barrel I was looking at getting) and it compared pretty well.

Any barrel that performs accurately in no-spin mode and can be set to handle some "reach out and touch someone" shots is a barrel I want on my A-5.

RavenGuard wrote: Yeah, get the APEX if you want more range, and less breaks, with the cheapest paint you can buy.  Thank you for comparing the APEX to the j&j etc. now i can truly say that it is close in accuracy to these barrels to those who are scared they won't hit the target because of all the special features. I love my APEX :)

Same here.  
Now I can go rub this thread into my 'lil bro's face.
Serves him right for saying my Apex couldn't compare to a j&j ceramic!

my .02 on the apex barrel.  the range it can give you is incredible.  it is more than the flatline and more accurate at a given range than that flatline. The reality though is a paintball is not accurate at that range.  The dropshot is kind of cool on occation.  the curve shots I though to be kind of useless.  the apex is not going to be as accurate as a nice barrel at close range though.   The apex is kind of a novelty barrel to have in your bag of tricks.  in the right situation it is cool though.  nothing like droping a shot in on somone when a normal barrel would shoot right over them.

I have had SP progressive, J&J ceramic, apex, powerlyte kit.  I now just use my powerlyte kit mainly as I can just buy whatever premium paint is on sale.

Big Pun wrote: Hmm... where have i been? i havnt heard of an Apex barrel, time to do a search...

yeah. seriously. where(bad) have yu been?!?!

Thanks again for all the info. I have J&J and I think it is great but I feel the APEX would give me a better advantage on a large feild.

Castle Conquest for example. I think the J&J will always be my fav in the woods though.

Torquestar wrote: So what's the typical balanced setting for an APEX for distance/accuracy?  I'm going to get one this week and want to start out with some information.

Torquestar,

When you see the Apex design and then use it you will see that your question really doesn't have an answer. The spin adjuster sets backspin which stabilizes the ball and causes it to fly with a trajectory that can range from flat, virtually to the limit of the ball flight, or can curve upward.

The accuracy is there because of the stabilizing spin. The trajectory allows some amazing shots. With the backspin adjusted to maximum you will find that you can actually have a ball skim at knee high level across the field then climb up to several feet above the ground to strike the target. Paintballs traveling like that are almost impossible to see coming. So if you are walking shots onto your target the first shot may go un-noticed allowing the second shot to nail him. We are used to looking for arching incoming shots. Some may have become used to observing flat trajectory shots coming at them. But few of us can pick that low flying ball out of the "ground clutter" before we are hit.

Now, I haven't even gotten into the left, right and dive bomb trajectories.

Deadly on the speedball field. In woodsball you will find yourself able to shoot between limbs making hits that are impossible with the standard arched trajectory barrels.

the_skdster wrote: Big Pun wrote: Hmm... where have i been? i havnt heard of an Apex barrel, time to do a search... yeah. seriously. where (deleted) have yu been?!?!

You need to read the rules. Language will get you kicked off the forum. I am sure your vocabulary is such that you can come up with better modifier than profanities and vulgarities.

I have shot both and used to have a flatty and i think (in my opinion) that both are innaccurate but especially the apex i found that the balls just go left to right or up and down in the air if i was you i would go with the flatline.

By the way there was a video of the apex a while back i'll try and find it. 

Edit: found it http://media.putfile.com/apexweb - http://media.putfile.com/apexweb  

Bruce A. Frank wrote: the_skdster wrote: Big Pun wrote: Hmm... where have i been? i havnt heard of an Apex barrel, time to do a search... yeah. seriously. where (deleted) have yu been?!?! You need to read the rules. Language will get you kicked off the forum. I am sure your vocabulary is such that you can come up with better modifier than profanities and vulgarities.

Sorries and more apologies.

Bruce A. Frank wrote: Torquestar wrote: So what's the typical balanced setting for an APEX for distance/accuracy?  I'm going to get one this week and want to start out with some information. Torquestar, When you see the Apex design and then use it you will see that your question really doesn't have an answer. The spin adjuster sets backspin which stabilizes the ball and causes it to fly with a trajectory that can range from flat, virtually to the limit of the ball flight, or can curve upward. The accuracy is there because of the stabilizing spin. The trajectory allows some amazing shots. With the backspin adjusted to maximum you will find that you can actually have a ball skim at knee high level across the field then climb up to several feet above the ground to strike the target. Paintballs traveling like that are almost impossible to see coming. So if you are walking shots onto your target the first shot may go un-noticed allowing the second shot to nail him. We are used to looking for arching incoming shots. Some may have become used to observing flat trajectory shots coming at them. But few of us can pick that low flying ball out of the "ground clutter" before we are hit. Deadly on the speedball field. In woodsball you will find yourself able to shoot between limbs making hits that are impossible with the standard arched trajectory barrels.

I'm definately looking forward to the barrel.  Should be here tomorrow from County Paintball.

A couple weeks ago, playing Woodsball, I was having the exact problem you describe.  I had snuck into a perfect position to assault the defending bunker.  One of their defenders had moved off and was trying to sneak down through some trees for a clearer shot at the attackers.  I lined up my red dot sight and fired a few quick rounds.  I had to aim high a bit because of the distance, and the shots arced in and nailed several branches and exploded before hitting the defender.  The branches were above the defender, and had the balls flown in a straight path, I would have had them. 

Fiestyboy wrote: I have a stock 98c and i was wondering how much this barrel would add to my normal range. I use low-med grade paint. edit: i just saw that video. and i can say is "wow".

It's a hell of alot more accurate than the stock pro. I can tell you that much. Some even compare it to a J&J Ceramic.

Ever had two people with APEXs curve balling you from both sides at the SAME time? You can't move more than 1 foot in either direction.
Me a my friend do it all the time at my field.
Sure, it's kind of cheap. But it's teamwork I tell ya.
Very little teamwork, but you get the point.

EDIT: thanks for the VID dude. Now people can watch in awe. Serves them right for saying the APEX was a novelty item.

I just can't understand why the tournaments are outlawing the Apex.  They make the barrel with cocker threads, for goodness sake.  It's not like everybody couldn't buy one.

Nobody with a $1,000 gun should be allowed to complain about technological advantages.

My second game playing with it my friend reported that i shot him 4 times in the head at a distance of about 40 yards with an 8-10 shot burst, he went out and bought the barrel the next day. That was on setting 3. I was using Zap torc scented that came with more than a few breaks in the bag.

Its not at all picky with paint, and with good paint, your shooting about a 12-15 inch spread of shots at 40-50 yards.

The divebomb and curves are hard to use unless their are no trees to the left right or above the bunker you are shooting at, but the range and accuracy is simply amazing.

This barrel is better then the flatline in every catagory except for durability (oh well apex is a lot lighter) and the drop of the ball out of the barrel on settings 7 and 8 are annoying, but you get used to it fast.

there has to be at least 10000 threads on this topic