Uh, I’m back I guess.
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Topic: Uh, I’m back I guess.
Posted By: SuperXero
Subject: Uh, I’m back I guess.
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:20am
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So, I havn't even been on this site since my last post in mid October, mainly because I had my pc taken from me... I made my racial beliefs well known and paid the price for it. I really don't feel like going too in depth about it, so PM if you really want details, lets just say it involved police, charges, expulsion, public humiliation, my dream of joining the army (reserves for now) has been temporarily crushed, etc.
I guess all I can say is I'm a changed person, and if you still hate me, go ahead, but I'm taking more of a neutral stance on life for now. Oh and Ms. Kent, I never really had anything against homosexuals, that was just my cheap shot. |
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:23am
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If I hadnt already used the Nelson HAHA! pic today I stole from an Mbro post, I would have definately posted it here. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:24am
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Sorry to hear about that. Nice to see you back though.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:27am
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So your dreams = crushed because of your biggotry and negative racial beliefs? Where is that count it picture? Honestly, if this were a less serious matter, I would feel bad, maybe post some random crap to try and make you feel better? But no, Im not above making fun of you because your stupidity got you in trouble. I dont care what anyone else says to try and be the better person, make me feel wrong, whatever. This day just got better because I learned this(should it be true). ------------- 
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:32am
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Well, I don't really expect much compassion from you guys, and I'm glad something good (you're day being made better) came out of it. It's true, my stupidity got me in trouble, though I have a hard time feeling like my life should have been ruined because of it, though I can finally understand how messed up, just being involved in the judicial system can be.
I'm not so sure what you mean by refering to this as a serious matter, maybe it's just me, but I've felt compassion for misunderstood serial killers, but nonetheless... |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:40am
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Owned. Pm me with what you did. ------------- 
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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:43am
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He Didn't say... "ZOMG I am GOLD!" ------------- http://www.freewebs.com/outlawspaintball/index.htm - Outlaws *Sponsors* http://www.abrika.ca - Abrika |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:44am
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Serious was a bad term for what I was thinking. I cant think of the right word. And misunderstood serial killers? But I dont agree that your life is ruined (based on you not being able to join the reserves anyway, there may be/probably is something I dont konw of). Dreems may be crushed, but that happens to quite a few people. Anyway, when you feel like it, let us hear about your story. Public humiliation, police, and charges makes for a good tale more often than not, even if it is, well, humiliating. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:49am
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one biggot down, a few million more to go ------------- 
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:51am
He was gold before. Nothing has changed for him as far as his status on the forum goes. -------------
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TruePaintballer wrote:Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:52am
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I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the police don't get involved just because "you made your racial beliefs known"... Methinks you are only sorry that you got caught. Pending further information, my current sympathy = zero. |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:57am
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By life ruined I mean that I've been shunned, targeted by my community, I've been forced to continue my schooling at a program for expelled kids, 1 hour away (just finished semester, will be going to a school in town in a week). I've had friends betray me to the police, and my incident has been made public to the immediate (and not so immediate) community involved with the school and surrounding area. Also, the army is my life, my dream, and only reason for living.
Only upside is that even if the army doesn't let me in with the charge I have, I can get in once I'm 18 and my record is cleared. If that weren't true I would probably have commited suicide by now (that's how much the army means to me). Oh, and my ulcer came back swinging. Edit: Kent, yes there's a bit of vital info I left out, mainly becasue I don't want to make a big thing out of it. Sure I'm sorry I got caught, because it means I was stupid enough to put myself in jeopardy in the first place. My stances have changed so much so that I'm not the same person I was before this all happened, though between you and me, most of it was face value. I've been through questioning cops, concerned parents, social workers, psychologists, the judicial process, being expelled for those beliefs, etc, and to say that a person can't change through that would be asinine. Wow, just realized what you meant abotu the Gold. Didn't even notice it actually, must have happened while I was gone. Why exactly? |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:06am
| Dang, you mean thats one less racist we're letting defend us in a foreign? Dang!! Why?! |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:11am
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I dont despute the fact you were changed by all the events that resulted but if your bigotted veiws havent changed then it was all a big waste of time. Thanks for wasting valuable tax money that could have gone towards helping the same people you think are unworthy of your respect.
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:14am
I think my whole point is that I was infact changed, wholly. Including my formerly bigotted views. Tax money? Hell, I'd be glad if the cops left me alone. Everything else was paid for by me and my family. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:16am
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:16am
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Again with the "beliefs". People don't get expelled or charged with crimes just for "beliefs" - there must have been some action, at the minimum some words. Why don't you just say that you got expelled/charged for your words/actions instead of calling it your "beliefs" like you are some political prisoner? That's what is bothering me the most about your posts. |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:20am
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Pardon my miswording, and to repeat myself, if you want the details, ask me privately.
Though when we sat down at my school board hearing, yes it was because of the ideas I promoted, that's what they told me at least. Didn't mean to make myself sound like a victim, was just trying to get the point across that there was a huge push for me to change. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:21am
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My post disappeared but the message still stands. I think you saw it. -------------
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Posted By: Mr.Shake56
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:25am
| welcome back |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:25am
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why privately...it's not like you've anything to hide now...
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:25am
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Yeah, I saw it, thanks for your sentiments.
Also meant to include that I got fired over the incident, so the things like hundreds of dollars of bus fare, stuff like that, came out, and is still coming out of my limited and shrinking savings. @High Voltage: I don't want to spark a debate over what I did, and I already feel like enough of an idiot to be critisized further. Also, to include all the other details (1 is needed to further describe the next) would be alot more typing, and even more arguing than I am willing to do. |
Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 7:06am
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 12:14pm
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Well, let's give the guy some credit- he's learned a brutal lesson and seems genuinely willing to make amends. He's either feeling genuine regret, or is faking it- if the latter I've no time for him, but if his feelings are sincere, I've always been an advocate of forgiving people their errors once all accounts are settled. Obviously everyone's free to make up their own mind, but the guy's 16 or 17- certianly not to late to change yourself for the better. His errors may be on a scale greater than any of ours, but who here can honestly say they've never done anything they've since honestly regretted? Welcome back to the forum. Expect to have a bit of a difficult time- you'll earn your place here back through your own merits, or fade back into obscurity at your own discretion, but for me at least you start with a clean slate right now. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 2:10pm
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Well, thanks Brihard, yes I'm 16, and indeed I do honestly regret what I did and what I stood for.
Though, I would have to say that I don't completely regret everything that happened. That school was killing me and I needed a way out anyways. I learned a valuable life lesson, and I mingled with the lesser known world of expelled students. The ones who are tied up in the legal system, like I, some for stupid things like smoking pot. The kids who are probably 10 times for dedicated to school than I can say for most people I know. The ones who would catch a bus, and ride it for 30 minutes, to 1 and a half hours, to school and back. These people (and in that classroom, the minorities were the majority mind you) I would trust with my life, while most of my friends, I couldn't trust to pay me back 5 bucks. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 2:31pm
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You certianly did learna lesson- when all's said and done, people regardless of race, creed, belief, or nationality are jsut like yourself, and having been brought down a notch will make a lot of people realize what potential they've taken for granted, and then thrown away for something stupid. You're still quite young, and all is not lost. It could take some time to sort out, but you can recover from your errors- our legal system does allow people to do that. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 3:02pm
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And you seemed like such a rational person on the forum. Who would have guessed you would end up a screw-up in life. Certianly not me. ------------- 
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 3:12pm
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Was wondering how long it would take you to post here Tae. Might I remind you that, with every attempt I made at rational logic toward my former views, all you could ever think of was stuff along the lines of <poopy> Hitler! You suck!" Talk about rational. ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 3:29pm
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Well, I never said that, but nice try. Besides, don't be jealous I have a future. -------------
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 3:34pm
Jealous of you? Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man, well, at least this thread made more than 1 person's day a bit brighter. |
Posted By: pilotman88
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:30pm
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PM'd for story. I'm interested to see. I won't post anything about the details here, no worries. And Tae Kwon Do, just learn when to keep your mouth (er, fingers) shut. He's obviously having a rough time with life, and this is just one time your sarcasm is not wanted nor welcome. No need to be a jerk to the poor guy. ------------- aaahhh skeet skeet |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:36pm
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Well, welcome back. ------------- 
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:37pm
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superxero did some neat forum drawings i heart him very highly in my heart booklet |
Posted By: dmp4892.
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:39pm
| Can you, or someone he already told PM me please. I'm curious as to what happened so I can take part in this thread. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:41pm
Not that I am for badgering him, but, do you know how ignorant Superxero was? He got what he deserved, and it if were up to me, I would have him pay alot more. -------------
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Posted By: dmp4892.
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:47pm
| I hate to be annoying, but can someone please tell me. |
Posted By: Exentric
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:49pm
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A recent example, perhaps: http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=143722&PN=100 - http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=143 722&PN=100
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:52pm
seriously. i already know what he did and good god how does one "feel sorry for him?" btw pilotman, it's best not to speak before knowing the full story. you're defending a rather low life form in this thread. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 5:54pm
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Boo hoo. He brought whatever he got on himself. Try reading any of his posts from the past 6 months.
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Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:01pm
| i remember making up a phrase thing as a joke for you. Wellcome back, now dont try anything stupid again. |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:02pm
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I don't disagree that I got what I deserved. I paid the price, and then some for it.
BTW, If I'm gonna get another strike, can you at least take away the 4 year old one? Edit: What phrase might that be? |
Posted By: dmp4892.
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:15pm
| Dude, please PM me. |
Posted By: pilotman88
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 8:49pm
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Dude you're freaking retarded. Believing something is one thing, thats fine, but once you try to start making other people believe your absolute bullcrap, thats when you've crossed the line. Distributing racist papers? What the hell dude? You can think your own thoughts but dont EVER try to force other people to think them. You deserved everything thats come your way, and more. BTW: My racism strike was a JOKE. ------------- aaahhh skeet skeet |
Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 8:57pm
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welcome back to the forum ------------- what? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 9:27pm
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I'll refrain from commenting one way or another until I know exactly what you did(hint, PM me). I certainly disagree a lot about some of the things you have said in the past, and really do hope you've learned something from this. Going into the military with racist veiws is a very bad thing, considering you'll be living with, showing with, and crapping in front of these people for the duration of boot camp and fighting along side them afterwards. Being a racist is a good way to become hated there. Don't think anything will dissapear from your record when you turn 18, especially with police involvment, and if you were to get in and hide these problems, enlistment fraud is no joke. Talk to a recruiter if you still have questions, they can waiver a lot of things, beleive it or not. Also, if that is no longer a possibility for you, it really isn't the end of the world, you'd be an idiot to take your life over it and would get no sympathy from me. but I do see where you're coming from. I've had to radically restructure my life after not completing recruit training, and it's honestly been a pain, but not impossible. Either way, it sounds like you're getting a valuable lesson from your diverse classmates that you would have got from the Army anyways. It sounds like it's turning out OK anyway. |
Posted By: dmp4892.
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 9:28pm
| hmm. Sounds like you've gone through a lot. I guess it was pretty stupid what you did, huh? Well, hope you pull through. |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 9:43pm
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I read the title as "Um, I'm black i guess"
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 9:49pm
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The ironing is delicious.
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Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 10:14pm
it was something like make up a phrase for the persons job or something. you said you were a male entertainer, it went something like superxero call me up and ill be your hero. .... how do i still remember writing that. |
Posted By: Whazuuup!
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 10:18pm
I would almost go as far as to say the ironing is extreme.  SuperXero, I hope your life is changed for the better. ------------- 
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 10:46pm
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Hes learned his lesson, leave him alone.
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 11:04pm
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I really want to know what he did, someone forward a pm.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 11:07pm
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For reference, people, the posts of his referenced in this thread all happened prior to the drama that unfolded and ended up sorting him out. The kid's 16. He fell into a bad frame of mind, and made some mistakes. I'm not a religious peson by any means, but the concept of 'repentance' is a pretty good one. He appears to honestly regret and want to make well everything that he did previously. There are bigger powers than the tippmann forum sorting him out in real life- I'd suggest that in the interest of being mature, and maybe earning a bit of credit towards our own mistakes, let's let the guy be judged by those whose job it is to do so; not a forum full of paintballers, most of us teenagers. If you don't like him, fine- that's perfectly within your rights. You don't have to respect him, either. But to take a thread where he's trying to apologize and explain how he's seen the light, and twist it to slam him is just infantile. If you can't contribute anything helpful, do the rest of us a favour and keep it to yourself, or PMs. There's nothing to be gained, no benefit to make, no points to score by chiming in negatively. I'm not impressed with what the guy did, but his attitude now strikes me as more mature than a lot of others here. He's got a long road and a lot of learning ahead of him, but at least he's willing to walk that path. If you cannot, or simply are not willing to help him out, then just let it go and do your best to ignore his existence. He's suffered justly for what he did, and everyone in their youth and immaturity is capable of making serious mistakes. I'm willing to bet that for some of you reading this you simply never got caught, and now look back on some of your exploits hopefully with a bit of shame. You don't have to empathize or sympathize, but just try to show the slightest respect for the efforts he's trying to make. Regards, Brihard ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 11:35pm
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Eh, thank you for the kind words, and yeah don't be shy about pming me for details, I've recieved a couple dozen requests already... I just copy and paste, so forgive me if it doesn't seem personal. ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 12:55am
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what efforts bri? so far hje's been punished and he explained how people hate him in his community and that he is screwed until he's 18... efforts would be you contacting people, making a public apology that is of YOUR idea...not someone making you do it. and actively working to improve race relations in your community. not simply saying "i got my ass in trouble i am changed" on an internet forum. -------------
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:04am
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^The fact is, no matter what you're skewed standards are of what he should do, he has paid his debt to society! He has lost priviledges that are very important to him, and that is all he has to do. Take his punishment like a man, and apologize for anyone he may have offended.
You're asking too much, and being too hard on him. Lighten up! ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 12:38pm
Clearly you've paid no attention to what his mistakes have cost him in real life. His credibility in his community is shot, so working to make change would probably get him laughed at- but in my opinion change begins at the individual level, and he's certainly had that happen to him. He's paid the price for what he did, and the onus is not on any of us to continue trying to make it worse for him. Like I said, if you're not willing to be decent to the guy, just do us a favour and politely ignore him. The kid's had enough of a rough time - of his own creation, of course, but my point stands. He's trying to be mature about it now. I'd have hoped a group of adults or near adults could try and extend to him the same courtesy... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 2:43pm
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Gee, this thread wasn't one giant attempt at attention-whoring. Not at all. -------------
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:19pm
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I am a counselor in a prison. I do psychological personality testing in order to tease out anti-social/sociopathic traits in people. When I hear someone with obvious anti-social personality traits say "I learned my lesson," I usually try to ferret out whether that means "I see the error of my ways and the negative impact my crappy thinking has on innocent human beings," (this is seldom the truth) or do they mean "I got caught, it sucks and I have a craftier plan to not get caught next time." (this is most often the case) Did the clinicians during your ordeal have you take the MMPI or the Millon? |
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Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:41pm
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:15pm
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bri, when he's 18, the juvenile record should be cleared and then he's free to move on and start over. it's not like he has become a sex offender which will follow him all over.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:29pm
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haha... you got pwned... ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:46pm
I have no idea what either of those tests are, so I don't believe I took either. I can honestly say that I'm never going to walk that path, and yeah I am truly sorry for having those beliefs. Why the hell would I lie? What do I have to gain by lying to you people? It's not like me posting here will have my charges dropped. If I really cared about what you guys thought, I would have killed myself a long time ago, as was suggested to me a few times. Tae Kwon Do, the pessimist, actually, I made this thread because I had made my former-racial beliefs well known on this forum, and so I wanted to make it euqually as well known that they had changed. Think it over, you'll get the concept if you really concentrate. ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 9:07pm
I would respect him much more, and not be "infantile" as you put it if he had changed for a better reason. He has simply been conditioned to accept a few things so that he doesnt get in trouble. I can promise you that he is still racist subconsciously. He is just so ashamed and embarrassed by it that he (subconsciously) doesnt want anyone else to know, even if it means convincing himself at the moment that he doesnt beleive the same things he did 6 months ago. therefore, I will still not care if he considers scucide, his life is ruined for the next 2 years, no one in his immediate area cares much about him, or anything else, because this isnt a learned acceptance, its a conditioned acceptance, and it isnt hard to be conditioned back. -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:34pm
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Racial rpejudice is generally conditioned in upbringing, though. I'm not saying that his own intelligence isn't a factor, but by the time one reaches the point in life where one can consciously analyze one's prejudices, they are already pretty deeply ingrained and very difficult to get rid of. Sure, it took getting caught to straighten him out, but i he's been straightened out as he claims, who are any of us to keep giving him grief? One could argue that this is merely negative conditioning, but I would argue that it's rather his first real opportunity to look at how he felt and realize his errors- and that I respect. I don't think the age of 16 is too late to make a change. I just find it sad that people here aren't willing to accept that he's changed and move on with life, even if it just means simply ignoring him. You're at elast looking at this maturely, if from an opposite standpoint, but the childish behaviour of a lot of people on this thread makes me sick. I don't expect any better here, of course, but it's still pathetic the kinds of things some people will say to try to make themselves look cool... I would submit that the outcome here is good regardless of cause; perhaps he did not intend originally to change himself around, but he did relate experiences with some other people he met during his ongoing troubles who opened his eyes to reality. Guided change can still be change for the better, and it's important people realize that. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:50pm
Good point. Regardless, I still think he is simply repressing his beliefs due to the recent events. I see it as a nine year old taking a piece of cake, getting caught, being sent to time out, and being asked whether or not the child learned their lesson. Of course the child will say yes, because if not, said child faces more punishment. SuperXero is doing the same thing, just subconsciously, I believe anyway. Im no psychologist, and even if I was, I havent exactly talked to him face to face. Im going to hold onto my belief though, because I see it as the most logical. Changing what you think simply because it has become known and you are being ridiculed requires a weak mind, and from I saw previously, SX doesnt seem like that kind of person(minus the fact that he was an open racist). -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:10pm
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To change form a negative viewpoint that you have help strongly is by no means weak-minded. It shows a certain strength of character necessary to throw away previously held convictions that you've found to be untrue. I would argue it shows a certian moral strength at the end of the day.
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:11pm
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This sums it up nicely. http://www.fugly.com/media/view.php?cat=DOWNLOADS&id=515 - link -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:18pm
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Dammit. That's stuck in my head now, plenteh.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:26pm
EDIT: Mine too. Im probably gonna let it slip out tomorrow at school, and piss some people off.
You are considering to hard the "negative" factor. He didnt believe it to be negative before, and he only believes it to be that way now because of what happened. Hence, he is being influenced by people around him, and is only changing because of the trouble he got himself into. He changed himself to something he wasnt through the convictions of other people. If he had sat down with a black person, or anyone at all for that matter, and discussed the matter of his racism, and then changed his views on blacks, I woudlnt be arguing. the fact remains though, he changed because he got in trouble, and not because of any means he went through on his own. I think that if he honestly believed himself superior than all blacks, or the majority for that matter, he would stick with his ideals. Instead, he is either weak minded, or subconsciously faking it, or both. -------------
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:29pm
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Mmmm, quite true Plenti, that is the most swaying argument I've heard in years.
To talk about a change (specifically mine), you must first fully understand the former, which is something I cannot even fully do. To categorize oneself with a certain group, even (beleive it or not) racist organizations, you have to live to a certain standard. And subconsciously (or perhaps consciously), once you have identified yourself with that group, you start living out traits that you might not have even considered rational. Something like peer pressure, though some times that pressure comes from one's inner self as a way to be able to identify themselves as a "true" member of such society. Now I'm making all this up as I go along, but it sounds pretty accurate (to me at least) so I think it makes sense. One of the weirdest traits of my former self, was while I promoted racist ideals, and would argue on behalf of whtie supremacy, I can't say that I honestly felt hate. Perhaps this is the reason I changed so easily? I never once (seriously and honestly) discriminated against an individual for their race or creed. While I could talk about them as a lower life form, I always treated them as an equal. Even as I type this, I can't completely understand why I did what I did, and yeah, it seems stupid to me, to promote ideals you can't support. This is probably the most in depth I've gone with my situation with anyone, and I'm sure there'll be a few names and insults thrown at me for this. I don't know if this makes me a poser, or weak minded, but, whatever. Edit: So yeah I screwed myself over for something I didn't really believe in, yeah flame me, I deserve it. Weird how posting on a forum can make you come to an epiphany. ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:43pm
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One of my closest friends was like this recently. He told people he was white power, and that he hated anyone with a darker skin color than him, but he shortly realized he was giving into a pressure he didn't truely believe in. He dropped that act real quick.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 12:36am
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Stopped in and found this, just dropping my 2 cents Gatyr, would you prefer that SuperXero be yelling "dammit, I got caught but that hasnt changed a thing?" He made a mistake, he learned from it. What does he have to gain from telling complete strangers hes a changed man? Whats the point of lying even? Further more, to those suggesting hes doing this for attention, why the crap would he say "I got caught spreading racist views and now I am paying the price"? To pilotman, grow up please, granted what he did was wrong, your being a bit of a hypocrit pressing him not to press others with his views. Further more, yes, I saw your original post, they call it a Private Message for a reason. Just give him a chance to show hes changed before decideing "hes just embarressed by what he did". ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 11:11am
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All I can say, is to "promise" that you KNOW what someone else is thinking SUBCONCIOUSLY, is probably the dumbest and most self-centered statement I have heard on this forum, ever.
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