"Gun" talk...
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Topic: "Gun" talk...
Posted By: WUNgUN
Subject: "Gun" talk...
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:23pm
OK, so I have noticed a lot of firearm talk on the forums lately with people showcasing new purchases and such. Here is a question I have that stemmed from a discussion I had with a friend about a "security job" (very lightly put) offer and I began thinking about what I would want in my hands (trust my life to) if the "poop" hit the fan. So if you had one choice, had to carry it (rifle, machinegun, etc...) everyday, what would it be? I'll give my answer later...
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:26pm
I have a gun in my pants everyday.
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:28pm
oreomann33 wrote:
I have a gun in my pants everyday.
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More like a pea-shooter, pun intended...
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Posted By: Scotchbroth
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:32pm
A pistol or a stanley blade taped to a hammer.
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:32pm
WUNgUN wrote:
oreomann33 wrote:
I have a gun in my pants everyday.
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More like a pea-shooter, pun intended... |
If by pea-shooter you mean bazooka, than you are correct.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:33pm
AT4
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:36pm
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Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:37pm
a S.A.W.
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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:48pm
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Damn, this is a hard one, I would have to say an M60 machine gun, or a M14 semi automatic sniper rifle.
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Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:48pm
FN F2000. No one will give you any trouble.

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Posted By: Hoytshooter
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:56pm
Are you talking about say if there was a war going on in the USA, and we had to carry a gun for protection? Or just what you would like to carry?
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 5:58pm
Predator SRAW.
Yes, I play far too much BF2.
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:05pm
Hoytshooter wrote:
Are you talking about say if there was a war going on in the USA, and we had to carry a gun for protection? Or just what you would like to carry? |
"War type" scenarios.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:06pm
Posted By: MVM91
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:08pm
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a nuke launcher thingy
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Posted By: Hoytshooter
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:12pm
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Im thinking a mix of close range shock power, and long range picking off, or supressive fire
And the rifle on the back, with like a .45 MA1911 on the leg.

 
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Posted By: Monkey Dust
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:19pm
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Scotchbroth wrote:
A pistol or a stanley blade taped to a hammer. |

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Posted By: Whazuuup!
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:32pm
MP5. Although I guess it wouldn't really need to be silenced. But it adds to the effect

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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:40pm
well depending on the situation. probly a high cap .40 or .45 pistol XD, 1911, HK
if i needed a rifle and it was closer ranged i would want something in a 7.62x39. mabe an ak47 or ruger mini 30 with stock. or any springfield M1A line.
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:42pm
merc wrote:
well depending on the situation. probly a high cap .40 or .45 pistol XD, 1911, HK
if i needed a rifle and it was closer ranged i would want something in a 7.62x39. mabe an ak47 or ruger mini 30 with stock. or any springfield M1A line. |
One choice...
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:44pm
It kinda depends, but for what it sounds like you're gonna do I'd say 8-shot 12guage shotgun.....and that is kinda my answer for a lot of "which gun" questions! It is probably the most affordable, reliable, versatile, and powerful weapon you can buy.
That's what I would want defending my life, 8-shot 12 guage.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:45pm
This:
....or I guess what hoyt said....Zesty too, that was actually my first idea...
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Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:50pm
ak-47 with grenade launcher attached and a drum not a clip
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Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:51pm
I think I'd take a Ma Duce

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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:57pm
well shoot... if im at a mall or something it would just be a pistol. but if it was for a more important location (nuke plant or something) it would be an M1A probly socom unless it was long ranged shots then it would be a full length.
but i would need to know where the job is or what type of security before i can pick one spasific gun.
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 6:59pm
merc wrote:
but i would need to know where the job is or what type of security before i can pick one spasific gun. |
Security like sun, sand, and IEDs.
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Posted By: Joe Cool
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:01pm
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M-14 with a optic site, not a scope. The M-14 offers terrific range, the site will give you fast target aquirement even in the dark and if all else the solid wood stock can be used as a club. Oh, plus the barrel includes a bayonet lug.
If you're talking doing security over in Iraq I'd suggest something more compact though. The MP5 is excellent in close range especially since the 9mm cartridges makes muzzle rise almost negligible. In addition it has a high ROF for a submachine gun and is easy to fire out of a car window and makes it easier to bail out if that becomes necessary.
If you're looking at sidearms the Beretta 92FS is a great 9mm or the Colt 1911 is also an excellent choice and both are reliable if maintained properly.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:01pm
This:
And This:
.....two other good choices.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:14pm
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Tough call really. For a pistol, hands down an M1911 clone of some type. Reliable, accurate and powerful. If I have to use a pistol, I'm pretty screwed anyways, I'd rather have eight rounds of .45 than double that of 9mm. Yes, i realize I'm not limited to FMJ ammunition, but I shoot an M1911 well, so I'd go with what's comfortable.
For a rifle, I'm going to have to carry it every day, I'd like it light weight. But there are more important considerations that that.
I know they get a bad rep as being underpowered and unreliable, but an AR-15 would be a good bet. Again, I'm not limited to FMJ like the military is. The rifle would ideally have a chrome-lined bore and chamber to aid in reliability and ease cleaning. It would also have a 1/9" twist, since that would work well with military M855 ammunition and lighter weight civilian hunting stuff. I'd aslo like a 20" barrel to get full velocity from the round. I'd probably choose and A4 variant for ease of use of optics. It would be made by Colt, RRA, or Stag arms as they use the same tooling as military rifles and build to the same standards.
While many other arms are "better" than this system, it's standard, and I wouldn't want to get caught with my pants down and not have ammo. Something in the AK family would be great for low matainance and knock down power, but I'd doubt ammunition would be as readily available assuming there's an invasion or some other crisis.
The M-14 type rifle would also be great considering it's reliability, accuracy and sheer power. Also having a NATO standard cartridge. If I went that route, it would have a milled steel receiver from LRB arms, a Sage EBR stock, short, chrome lined barrel, and muzzle break. Top the whole thing with a Trijicon ACOG and you'd be good to go. My only concern would be calibration of the sights to the short barrel(I might even opt for the 22" barrel) and weight. 20 rounds per mag would be fine for me in semi-automatic.
Of course, there are other uptions. A Kel-tec SU-16 would be an almost ideal survival gun, being light, accurate, reliable and use standard M-16 magazines. But finding parts could be a problem. A Lever action .30-30 may not be bad either if you're trying to be low-profile. High magazine capacity, can be reloaded with a round in the chamber.
So:
Katrina aftermath situation: Kel-tec or .30-30. Possibly a Barretta storm carbine in 9mm.
Serious civil unrest, anarchy, zombies: SOCOM type M-14
Invasion of US, military needing to be supplimented by civilian, M-16A4 type rifle.
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Posted By: Chuck Norris
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:16pm
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Motorcycle-mounted rocket launchers.
And roundhouse kicks.
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Posted By: Hoytshooter
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:19pm
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Hmmmmmm........Katrina aftermath situation I'd have to go with a 12 gauge slug/00 Buckshot alternation.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:19pm
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^^what he said.....my dad said he carried a colt .45 for the entire time he was in the army, including the four in vietnam, he said theres nothing on this earth that cant be stopped by a .45 bullet, it may be slower than other bullets (not really significant i dont think)< fairly high recoil, but the stopping power is unbelieveable, theres also the glock version of the .45
http://www.glock.com/_45.htm - http://www.glock.com/_45.htm
not sure how the glocks are, ask around
what rednekk98 said that is
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:25pm
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Oh feces Wungun, just re-read your post and now have a better handle on the situation.
Absolutly go with what you're comfortable with. M4 type rifles seem to be all the rage over there, especially covered with acessories. If you're trained on the M-16, this is probably the route to take, especially with getting in and out of vehicles. At under 150yard range, ball ammo would probably be ok, but try the Hornady TAP stuff for better terminal performance.
Go with the short barreled M-14 type if you want even more knock down and don't feel hindered by the magazine capacity and recoil. Shoot before you buy. http://www.troyind.com - www.troyind.com has some great M-14 conversions. I've handled their products and found them to balance very well. They also have 30 round mags.
The truth is, in such a case you really do have just about every kind of choice, even rifles with a third pin. Just don't comprimise yourself.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:30pm
wungun, are you goign to be limited by the Hague convention? Is there goign t o be any type of ammo limitations? As far as I know, you can't just get anything out there...
I would look into something 5.56mm, however I would personally would prefer a Match Grade M-14 clone.
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Posted By: PaintballkidEPS
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:33pm
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well right now i have a carrying permit for my .38 special but in a war-type scenario i would either carry my M16A2 or just stay posted on my roof with my M92 SR
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:53pm
After considering the question for a few days, I think I'd go with a Ruger AC556 folder, synthetic of course, with an EoTech up front (scout style). Simple operation/cycle, it'll eat anything 5.56/.223 Rem and its easier to "clean" than an AR/M16 and less likely to malfunction. Did I mention true select fire! Hmmm...for now that's it...
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Posted By: Hoytshooter
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 7:58pm
GI JOES SON wrote:
^^what he said.....my dad said he carried a colt .45 for the entire time he was in the army, including the four in vietnam, he said theres nothing on this earth that cant be stopped by a .45 bullet, it may be slower than other bullets (not really significant i dont think)< fairly high recoil, but the stopping power is unbelieveable, theres also the glock version of the .45
http://www.glock.com/_45.htm - http://www.glock.com/_45.htm
not sure how the glocks are, ask around
what rednekk98 said that is
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HAha HA, shoot a bear in the head with a .45, It will shake its head and eat you, if you want knock down power shoot a 454 casull, or a 260 smith and wesson or a 500 smith and wesson.
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:03pm
Lots of "cool factor" replies! With no consideration for weight of weapon, *weight of ammunition*, and size of weapon.
If you had left out the "sun, sand and IED" and this was a stateside job... you'd have your choice of several good 45ACP sidearms, and that would do the trick.
If this was a "fantasy/dream" and most real-world implications were out the window (while still limiting myself to REAL world choices)... I would personally go with a PDW. The MP7 that .Ryan posted, or a FN P90.
Lightweight. Large ammunition supply with low weight relatively speaking. Compact for carry... compact for *in-vehicle* usage. Basically... something with a high degree of firepower, at beyond-pistol-caliber ranges... while still being very easy to carry and use. A full sized M1A/M-14 would be great... but it would also be quite a burden to carry on a daily basis... and would prove unwieldy when pulling detail that involves vehicle use. If I am carrying this thing every day, ALL day... I wouldn't want something that would contribute to my fatigue. Especially when summer months hit and we're looking at temps in the high broil setting.
But... if we're talking REAL WORLD scenario, taking into consideration this "sun, sand and IED" land... more has to be thought-out.
As nice as it would be to carry a P90... if you're the ONLY one carrying a P90, you're at an instant disadvantage. Gotta keep in mind logistics... including "combat logistics" where you may be forced to use battlefield pick-ups.
So now, as far as I'm concerned, I would pretty much be limited to two choices. A carbine (still have to keep it relatively compact... for vehicle usage) that accepts 5.56x45 out of M-16 mags... or a carbine that accepts 7.62x39 out of AK mags.
I personally am impressed with the HK416 series. Given your M16 training and familiarity with the AR series... you will be comfortable with this weapon. Retains the form and function of the AR... but with the gas system of the G36 series. Vast improvement over the standard AR types. I believe the current barrel lengths are 10.5" and 14.5". Longer ones are in the works... but may or may not be available already (I'm behind in my "current events").
7.62x51 would be nice. But unless you pick up someone else's rifle once you run dry... you may find yourself in a bind, if no one else around you has a similar weapon. M-14 type is nice... AR-10s have improved a great deal in recent years.
And again, not sure if it's available yet... but in keeping with the AR-15 familiarity... there is a 7.62 version of the HK I mentioned above... HK417. Retains the AR feel... but I believe uses readily available G3 mags (which can be picked up DIRT cheap new surplus from a variety of US distributors).
So... if it were available to me... HK416 would be my choice of everyday carry longarm. Familiar weapon so retraining is not necessary... parts, ammo and magazines easily accessible given every US/Brit over there is using SS109/M855 out of AR mags. (Although as rednekk mentioned heavier rounds would be preferred... Mk262 77gr OTM would be a great choice) Can't treat it as harshly or let it get as dirty as you would an AK... but it'll shoot straighter. And with the new gas system, many of the problems of the AR go buh-bye.
As for a sidearm... again tough call. All of my prior criteria would get tossed out the window, as I would not choose a 92FS, even if it meant compatibility with US Forces. A good M1911 would probably be my first choice if 45ACP. If sticking with 9mm, I'd go with a CZ SP01. Even though I would not have mag compatibility with anyone else. But at that point, if you're forced to using your sidearm and run out of ammo for that... you're pretty much toast anyway.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:10pm
This count as a gun?
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Posted By: Scotchbroth
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:18pm
^ Yeah, best one yet!
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:22pm
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Guns dont kill people, Husbands that come home early do
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:23pm
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:23pm
Posted By: Mr.Shake56
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:24pm
Da Hui wrote:
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i lol'd
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:47pm
All it needs is a vertical grip, Amega Rail, and EOTech. (no SS either)Magazines would worry me a bit, too. Rugers are known for being picky, factory 20s/30s would be a must.
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:53pm
WUNgUN wrote:
[IMG]Rugers are known for being picky | That would eliminate it as a choice for me!
The only country I can think of off-hand that bought and used the AC556 was Jordan. And even now, I think that they've been long replaced by ARs.
I like Rugers as much as the next guy. Heck, if it's good enough for Hannibal Smith and B.A. Baracus, it's good enough for me!
But I'd be wary with one while in the sandbox. Unless you're good at not leaving behind your empty mags and are REALLY quick at reloading mags with stripper clips.
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Posted By: `
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 8:59pm
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 9:00pm
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I reccomend against the AC-556. My dad just dumped his mini-14 for several reasons. Lack of good magazines. The only hi-caps I'd trust would be rugers 20 rounders. They run about $80. Another is accuracy. The short barreled AC-556 should have less barrel "whip" but accuracy goes to crap once the barrel starts to get hot, which is after about 5 rounds. AK's produce better accuracy on average. It's difficult to mount optics on one, and while they shoot while dirty better than an M-16(sorta, more later), they have their own problems. The fireing pin is inacessable. So if it breaks you're screwed. Only Ruger will replace it. The stainless steel models tend to stick to themselves and primer sealant will gum the pin in place. I was unable to kill a freaking woodchuck due to this malfunction. As for it being easier to clean, you HAVE to clean from the muzzle unless you use a pull-through. Non chromed barrels take longer to clean also. I've also fired a version almost identical to the one you posted, in full auto. They're nowhere near as controlable as an M-16 type since they have a lot more moving mass, not to mention a high bore axis.
A Kalashnikov would be superior in every respect.
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Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 9:40pm
Duel Colt .45's.
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Posted By: PaintballkidEPS
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 9:57pm
actually considering it i might change my answer and go with the ACR (advanced Combat Rifle)
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:05pm
ShortyBPs was the only comprehensive post with any real merit. A couple other good one,s but his was excellent, though I disagree with his PDW sentiments. 5.7mm (P90) and 4.6mm (H&K MP7) are both thoroughly useless rounds. Limited to roughly two hundred meters effective range, they overpenetrate, and transmit far too little kimetic energy to the target. No stopping power. Yes, they'll go through armour, but it would be like trying to stab someone to death witha n icepick. Yes, it can be done, but it takes a lot of stabs and is a real hassle.
Pistols are too range-limited, and won't penetrate sufficiently.
5.56 is getting there, but again it's a weak round.
7.62 is more to my liking, but suffers from size and weight issues. I would settle for a 7.62 carbine, like a SCAR(H), or a carbined M14 family rifle, if necessary.
An intermediate chambering, then, is the logical solution. I'd eprsonally favour a safe-semi-auto AR lower receiver with retracting stock, with an upper receiver cahmbered for 6.8mm out of an 18 inch barrel. Good compromize for size and weight, but the barrel length is long enough for distance shooting if absoltuely necessary.
For sighting I'd have an EOTech 552 holosight with backup iron sights that can fold down to stay clear of the optics. I'd mount a surefire combination foregrip/flashlight up front on the rail, close in to the mag.
I'm very comfortable with ARs (M16 style), and the 6.8mm round fits in magazines that will fit an AR lower receiver, so the weapon would be familiar to me. The 6.8 has a good balance of stopping power and distance versus compactness.
No scope. If I can't see it well enough with the EOTech or the iron sight,s I probably don't need to shoot at it- we're tlakign survival situation ehre, and long range firefights are not ocndusive to life expectancy. Escape and evade would be my modus operandi.
6.8 of coure assumes no ammunition difficulty. If ammo supply was a factor, an AR-10 with a carbine stock and shorter barrel, chambered for civilian .308 would be my call, or, depending on what part of the world we're in, a modern civilian AK variant chambered in 7.62, though I'm not a fan of 7.62 short due to poor balistic performance, and relative weight.
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:07pm
chronic future wrote:
FN F2000. No one will give you any trouble.

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RCP90?
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:14pm
Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:17pm
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not the scar, i said what it was when i posted it, its the F2000.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:35pm
'RCP90' doens't exist- it was the James Bond version of the FN P90 SMg, the 5.7mm SMG that I already wrote off in my post.
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:40pm
Muuahhhaa

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Posted By: L337Republican
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 10:45pm
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DracoPlasm wrote:
ak-47 with grenade launcher attached and a drum not a clip |
Nothing beats ol' reliable, I'd do the same thing but put a scope on it, get a Glock 34, and a trench spike for my backup's backup.



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Posted By: Mr.Shake56
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:01pm
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id get dual 6 shot magnums
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Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:01pm
Posted By: impulse!
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:08pm
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:13pm
big pic

For cool factor.

Because Ludacris said he keeps one with an extra....clip in Saturday (oooo OOOOO)
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Posted By: SOULSIPHON
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:28pm
Two of these:

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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:36pm
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get a foregrip and some optics.
Personally, I'd choose this badboy
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Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 11:44pm
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heheheheh

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Posted By: Rock Slide
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 12:32am
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Y'all are making me feel bad about my Mini-14(S/S). I've never had a problem. Use reloads (55g) w/ nail polish over the primers... And can tag prairie dogs at 200 yards. Coyotes are easier. I don't have any problems in the cleaning department and even the aftermarket 30-round clips work good. If I needed to carry, this would be it. It’s the familiarity of it. Kind of like your paintball gun. You know where the round will land when you pull the trigger. What good is a god gun if you have to get use to it in order to be effective? The first accurate shot wins…
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Posted By: L337Republican
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 12:52am
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^^
Finally someone with a serious, practical, not to mention LEGAL idea, I'm not sure that everyone that posted T3H L337 M4CH1N3 GUNZZZ has class III liscences, or has let alone shot them.
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 1:00am
b-4-3
Think about it. CS players will get it.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 2:03am
L337Republican wrote:
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Finally someone with a serious, practical, not to mention LEGAL idea, I'm not sure that everyone that posted T3H L337 M4CH1N3 GUNZZZ has class III liscences, or has let alone shot them. |
Read the WHOLE POST before going off half-cocked. We are talking about weapons for use in Iraq, if WunGun was to go over as a security contractor. There are no restrictions over there.
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 7:37am
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
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Whale, this is WunGun we're talking about, not F/A JEDI.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 1:02pm
BTW, anyone who's thinking 'machinegun', no. They're too bulky for CQB under the best of circumstances, and offer no practical advantage over a rifle save for suprpession fire- but suppression only works when buddy with a rifle is advancing the flank to take out the guy you've suppressed.
Again, I'll reccommend against 5.56/.223 ammunition for reasons of stopping power...
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 3:59pm
chronic future wrote:
not the scar, i said what it was when i posted it, its the F2000.
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no i meant "i like the fn scar"
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 4:23pm
OS would probably be the authority on this sort of thing around here.
Or I can ask my uncle when I see him tonight.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 4:34pm
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^^Or Karl. Has anyone heard from him?
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 4:39pm
Isn't he doing the same thing over there?
No, he's probably working as a UAV. They probably took his hard drive out and put it in a Predator drone.
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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 4:54pm
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:12pm
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I think he's looking for something a bit more compact than an M21, and something that could deliver a greater volume of fire.
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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:14pm
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:17pm
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The scope on it says it's an M21, which is a modified M14 without full-auto capabilities, used by snipers.
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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:18pm
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:20pm
southernboy51 wrote:
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Looks like an M-21 to me.
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:21pm
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Yes, but that variant is designated M21.
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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 5:23pm
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Yeah, my bad, that is a M21, sorry.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 6:05pm
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I must know what kinda security we're talking (out of curiousity) if it was E.P I'd carry a 45 on a belt holster and a small revolver on an ankle holster as a backup.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 6:09pm
Posted By: paintbusta
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 6:11pm

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Posted By: Captain Mordred
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 6:36pm
yeah, someone just got owned
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 7:31pm
rednekk98 wrote:
I reccomend against the AC-556. My dad just dumped his mini-14 for several reasons. Lack of good magazines. The only hi-caps I'd trust would be rugers 20 rounders. They run about $80. Another is accuracy. The short barreled AC-556 should have less barrel "whip" but accuracy goes to crap once the barrel starts to get hot, which is after about 5 rounds. |
Earmuffs on! I refuse to believe it! My Mini-14 is my favorite of all my rifles! Does it have flaws, yep, but I believe most of them are "easy" fixes and its practical. Mags, I just bought a few factory 20 LEs for $30 bucks each! Replaced my crappy Stainless 30s. My mini is going to be chopped back to 16ish really soon to stop the whip. As far as the auto/burst aspect, all of my issued M16s were useless on burst. While I have not shot the AC on full auto, I have video (strong evidance ) of a guy at Knob Creek taking it to task without much climb. I can't imagine it being any "touchier" when it comes to the elements than a M16. From my experience of 1000s of rounds through an M16A2, and being a "Marine Corps Rifle Expert", I still wouldn't trust em! I can remember during live fire exercises and such when it just wouldn't shoot. It was a pain in the rear, especially when you have chances to waster tax payers' dollars! Now I am mad!
As far as Aks, I don't have enough experience to comment, although I should have bought an AKM for $250 when I had the chance...
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Posted By: Monkey Dust
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 7:33pm
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I WIN
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 7:36pm
Rock Slide wrote:
<Y'all are making me feel bad about my Mini-14(S/S). I've never had a problem. Use reloads (55g) w/ nail polish over the primers... And can tag prairie dogs at 200 yards. Coyotes are easier. I don't have any problems in the cleaning department and even the aftermarket 30-round clips work good. If I needed to carry, this would be it. It’s the familiarity of it. Kind of like your paintball gun. You know where the round will land when you pull the trigger. What good is a god gun if you have to get use to it in order to be effective? The first accurate shot wins… |
Thank you! Thats why I went AC556, the top of the Mini food chain.
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Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 7:52pm
paintbusta wrote:
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erg beat me to it 30mm is a beast
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Lastly

Death Star FTW
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 8:00pm
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If you're really hell bent on it(and since you're familiar with it, and that counts for a lot) and go with the AC556, you might want to consider having some work done. I don't remember the name of the company off the top of my head(I'm thinking it's Accuracy Inc)but there's one out there who'll do a lot of custom work on mini's and make them shoot. A mini with a short, heavier barrel, scout rail on the gas block, and maybe a new gas port bushing and lighter op rod, and an effective muzzle break could be nasty in full auto. The AC556 and short barreled mini-14 varients are supposed to be more accurate than standard mini's. I'd reccomend a scout type scope mount since mini's don't favor conventional scope mounting.
If you have a reliable source of good mags and are familiar with the rifle, then go for it. You can make it a decent gun.
Still, with 20 rounds, I'd really be looking at one of Troy's M-14's. At least pic one up and see if it's really too heavy for you. They fold up shorter than an M-4 and have all sorts of good features. The op rod has been moved to the side to keep muzzle rise to a minimum and according to the representative I've talked to, sub MOA accuracy is garunteed. One of his examples was capable of 3" grouping at 500 yards with match ammo, which is rediculous for any autoloader. They are a bit heavy with a silencer, foregrip, flashlight, laser and ACOG, but should be tolerable with an Eotec or Reflex and minimal accessories. If I were only allowed to own one rifle for any reason, I'd have one built on a pre-ban milled receiver.
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 9:21pm
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remington 11-87 w/ smooth bore barrel. Alternating 00/slug
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 5:57pm
I'm sorry to pull up a "dead" post, but I just had to.
Firstly Heya WunGun, LTNS. Same to Red -98 and OS.
You don't really give enough information. What exactly will you be doing in this "security" setting. If it guarenteed close range I'll go with the Remington 870 or the Ithaca 37, in 12 guage. Both are seriously good shotguns. My nod goes to the 870, simply because I own one, and you can get Wilson Combat to work their magic on it.
Reduce the barrel length to 18 1/4" - 20". Increase the magazine to 8 - 9 3" rounds. Get the SureFire frontend for easy target aquisition, and get ghost ring sights slapped on the top. A side shell sholder is always a good thing. Extra rounds on tap. But then I happen to be an outstanding shot with a shotgun. Personally I'd keep it stoked with 00 or 000 buckshot, and have some rifled slugs on the side saddle. All of which is in common supply all around the world.
I'm only a mediocre rifle shot.
With a rifle, you are more or less stuck to what you can get. Ammo wise this is going to be 5.56mm/.223 Rem, 5.45x39mm Soviet, 7.62x39mm Soviet and 7.62x51mm Nato.
Again this would depend on the situation. If it was room to room or house to house, then I'd suggest a shorty AR in either 5.56mm or 5.45mm. Both are dangerous rounds when fired up close and personal. I'm not too enamoured with the 5.56mm Greenies, but at under 100m they will still be lethal.
There are many good rifles in this caliber. The US army issue M4 is a good one. Reliable enough and you get many cool addons. The one I use is the South African made Vektor LM6. It's a shorty Galil. You could go G36C or G36K, both very handy very short rifles. The new H&KM4 with the gas piston upper should remove the most common AR-15 style faults. I don't really like the Mini 14's, or the Mini 30, but suprisingly I love the M1 Carbine. Go figure.
I'm a decent shot with an AK though. I seem to be able to predict the 7.62x39mm's flight path quite well. From talking to the guys "in country" I'd say go with an AK. Either the older 47's or the newer 74's. Thats mainly what the private security guys get because that what their employers own. The ammo is also plentiful. The AK 47 isn't much longer than an M4. Although it does lack the fancy add ons, a decent gunsmith should be able to kit one up for you. And it should be easy enough to get some wester made plastic furniture for it, with rails.
The shorty 7.62x51mm is the best of both worlds. It will arrive with authority out to ranges of 500m or more. If you can shoot that far. I'd equip it with an ACOG as well. Long range and close up.
HOWEVER AVOID THE 30 ROUND MAGS FOR THEM. They are too big and prevent you going prone. And going prone is quite important. Well you can GO prone, but you can't SHOOT from the prone position.
If it was a solely long range thing I'd get an Springfield M1 or some such. Accurate, semi auto and mag fed.
Then you get the exotics. Aparently the PPSH-43 has seen quite a lot of use in the sandbox. Not suprisingly. The 7.62x25mm Tok round is a nifty round. Over 60 rounds on tap, and reliable as all hell. A little heavy, but a nice weapon.
Then you get things like the 6.8SPM, or the 6.8Grendel or other exotic ammo.
If I was pushed to choose one rifle to cover all uses, I'd probably go with the shorty FN-FAL style weapon with an ACOG. DSA make one I believe.
If you are absolutely positively used to an Mini 14 and can't get rained on another gun, or you don't want to (The mind shuts down under stress and muscle memory kicks in, hard training will be required to overcome your present training with the Mini 14) then ake it by all means.
KBK
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 10:49pm
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pb125 wrote:
b-4-3
Think about it. CS players will get it.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 10:50pm
Posted By: *The Curse*
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 10:55pm
What the hell is this "b" you speak of.
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Posted By: Monkey Dust
Date Posted: 02 February 2006 at 11:18pm
Ahhh. the secret "B". This letter they speek of is evil, evils ah tells ya.
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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 1:44am
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 2:56pm
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http://www.robarm.com - www.robarm.com seem to have some interesting rifles. The XCR, M96 carbine and RAV02 might be good bets.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 February 2006 at 3:21pm
Screw guns. I'll just shoot balls of energy out of my hands.
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