Creating the most efficient gun
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Topic: Creating the most efficient gun
Posted By: Gulfster
Subject: Creating the most efficient gun
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 8:40pm
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Hi, I'm fairly new to paintballing, but I've been doing my research. I just bought the Custom Pro and would like to follow a path of upgrades to make it efficient as possible. I've got a lot of ideas going through my head so this post might get a little confusing. I guess I'll just post my questions and thoughts and let you guys confirm, critic, and add to them. Also, I've read a couple of the sticky'd topics and these gave me ideas, but some of them went back and forth and left me unsure. LIKELY ORDER OF UPGRADES Barrel: Either 12" bigshot or j&j, this doesn't have a lot to do with efficiency so i guess you don't need to put to much in on this, just reccomend one and say why. mods from model98.org - use tank o-ring on front bolt to seal it better from backpressure, polish internals, fix trigger slop, all the other trigger mods, and the graphite lubricant thing (not sure if the graphite thing is good or not, anyone who recommends it or warns away from it?) DOP/Proseal power tube and front bolt - is this a decent choice? what else is out there and how do they compare? FOLLOWING UPGRADES AREN'T IN ANY ORDER (LET ME KNOW WHAT ORDER IS BEST) R/T trigger- i'd like to stay mechanical. I've also heard the R/T has more potential than the E-grip. I've heard of the super R/T and would definitely like to go with it. what is different about the super R/T? where can i get it? What does QEV stand for? what does it do? (i know it has to do with the cyclone and increasing ball feed) obviously for efficiency I need to go with something besides CO2. This leaves me with HPA/Nitrogen. Are HPA and N2 two seperate options or is N2 a form of HPA? Basicly let me know what the best way to go is for this upgrade. Palmer stabilizer/regulator - from what I know this is a must for efficiency. Please explain my options and any other upgrades that would go along with it. no expansion chamber if i'm going to HPA/N2 because it won't make a difference, correct? Can't think of anything else right now, thanks for your help. I know this is a lot of questions and might require one of you experts! Thanks again!
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Posted By: JcKa
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 8:45pm
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Get.12".Bigshot R/T.is.more.efficient.I.guess.,but.it's.illegal.@.a.lot.of.p laces QEV.stands.for.Quick.Exhaust.Valve,it.releases.more.air.to.t he.cyclone HPA&N2.are.the.same.thing,just.get.a.crossfire.carbon.fi ber.tank ------------- -Cobalt to White Sonic Cyborg --7 Piece Matchstik Kit ---White Suicide'd Halo B ----PMI Stubby w/ NXE Cover |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 8:54pm
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Gulfster wrote:Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 8:56pm
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Don't make multiple threads asking the same thing. |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 9:02pm
Wow Hybrid. Both you and I answered the same questions (due to his 2x post) at the same time (8:54), in almost the same way (you in NP's, me in U&C). Great minds think alike. |
Posted By: JediJak
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 9:28pm
your space bar is sporatically adding spaces like in "fiber" and "places" ------------- Tippmann Chameleon M98 Upgrades: 14in. Teardrop Barrel GTA Expansion Chamber 20oz. Co2 Pollished Internals Tape Mod Spring Mod Pic: http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tippy3qe.jpg |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 9:32pm
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Posted By: Monkey Dust
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 9:36pm
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^^ that is because it is broke.
------------- a new breed of dracula!!!!!! |
Posted By: Gulfster
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 9:37pm
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Sorry about posting it twice. I just wanted to maximize the speed of my results, won't happen again. Thanks for all your help. Just curious about LPK. What is it and why would it require bigger hoses? Is it something I should look ... nevermind. Figured out it's low pressure kit. anyways, is the LPK something I should look in to? By its name I'm assuming it just lowers operating pressure and therefore saves air. Is it compatable with the other stuff mentioned? As for the QEV, even though it isn't necessary, where can I get it? For the palmer stabilizer ill need - palmer male stab(from the palmer pursuit website?), vertical adapter, new hoses? how long?, anything else? Are there any other websites that the stabilizer is cheaper at? If there is more stuff required, is it available in a package anywhere? sorry about all the questions, Thanks. |
Posted By: Gulfster
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 9:43pm
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one more thing, I'm not going to be playing speedball, so thats not a concern. Also, for filling up the HPA tank. Can I also do that at places that fill up CO2 (like sports authority), or must that be done at paintball shops / fields? |
Posted By: jrod1321
Date Posted: 14 February 2006 at 10:56pm
------------- Evil PIMP Smart Parts ION 2-98 customs Ariakon Sim4 Ariakon Overlord Mech DragunFly |
Posted By: Gulfster
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 4:38pm
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If I'm getting the LPK which QEV do I go with? When I read the desciption for the LP QEV it says if you have the RT to get the HP QEV. Which one do I get? Do I just buy the QEV by itself? Also, do I need this adapter for the cyclone and R/T? http://www.tippmannparts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=736&categoryID=49 - http://www.tippmannparts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.pr odInfo&productID=736&categoryID=49 |
Posted By: Gulfster
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 4:43pm
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Also, tippmanpros.com says you need an addition regulator for the LPK. Does this mean i need this http://www.tippmannpros.com/Tippmann-Inline-Regulator-P107C47.aspx - http://www.tippmannpros.com/Tippmann-Inline-Regulator-P107C4 7.aspx ? Or is that what my palmers will be for? |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 6:40pm
I wouldn't get the LPK. But if you do get the LPK, then yes, your palmers (Male version for the LPK) is your secondary regulator. |
Posted By: Gulfster
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 8:24pm
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I respect anyones advice on here because you all are more experienced then me, but what are some reasons why not to get the LPK? Also, any answers for my question above (about the QEV) if I were to get the LPK? Thanks. Edit: About my barrel, what difference would there be if I got the 8" bigshot instead of the 12"? (the only reason i ask this is because the 8" is obviously more compact) |
Posted By: darkmaster
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 10:17pm
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I have a lpk on my 98c and i havent noticed any increase in performance at all other than it may be a bit smoother but for me i wish i could get my money out of that mod. ------------- Dopa mi la tempesta (After me, The storm) |
Posted By: mandrew90
Date Posted: 15 February 2006 at 10:21pm
I'm not sure what is wrong with the LPK I haven't used one or no anyone with one however sometimes people say it's not worth $100. A 8" barrel would be about the same as a 12" and they say a shorter barrel will use less air which means more shots per tank. ------------- My 98 Custom Super RT 14'' J&J ceramic New Designz Drop Forward Ricohcet 2KX hopper 68ci/3000psi Crossfire Tank Hopper Wobble Fix Polished Internals |
Posted By: Ashdawg
Date Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:41pm
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cyclone+response trigger+palmer's stab.= a very reliable, highly
diversified and efficient marker(by efficient, i mean you will be able
to get the job done fairly easily) - it does'nt get the greatest "gas
mileage" only when you are shooting alot, if you control yourself, it
will be great!!!
------------- "Too close for missles, switching to guns..." |
Posted By: Ilford Rule
Date Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:51pm
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wait this makes me mad. he double posts in 2 forums and gets nothing, i
get a strike!. o well, at least people were kind to me and took one of
mine away. one more month till im clean...
------------- CPro (w/ polished internals) 14" Bigshot BT SBS Various Rails NcSTAR D4B Macro AA 68/45 
CCI Phantom 45 Grips |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 16 February 2006 at 9:54pm
Really, it's your choice if you want the LPK. IMHO, it's not worth it. I mean, reduced kick and lower operating pressures aren't worth the $100, plus the cost of a secondary reg IMO. I feel that there are better things to spend your $ on. And I believe you'll want the LP QEV. As for the barrel lengths. Performance wise, there will not be a difference between the 8'' and 12" barrels. So, get whatever you feel you want, and will benefit your game the most.
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Posted By: lilkiller
Date Posted: 16 February 2006 at 10:06pm
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get a remote line or some kind of expansion chamber ------------- "Whaffles are pancakes with syrup traps" - Mitch Hedberg may he rest in peace |
Posted By: FyreFly
Date Posted: 16 February 2006 at 11:53pm
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I just want to get reiterate the post topic and talk about this subject for a second... The title states "creating the most efficient gun". Which basically means that you want to create the most AIR efficient 98 Custom (pro?) possible. Keeping AIR EFFICIENCY in mind there are several things you would want to do. 1: Barrel - Excelent paint to bore matching will provide higher efficiency than shooting something that's just "close". A barrel kit will ensure that no matter what paint you shoot, you should have a good fit to your bore. 2: Internals - LPK is supposed to provide efficienty, however from my personal experience it helps in areas of recoil, report, and consistency much more than efficiency. Then again, if you are going for the "most efficient gun" an LPK certainly won't hurt. You will however probably want to do away with your stock power tube that contains the FVA (front velocity adjuster) since using a FVA is TERRIBLY inefficient. 3: Regulator - Palmer makes amazing regulators and are highly recommended on the forum, but of course are not the only way to go, especially since you would be using HPA for the "most efficient gun". 4: Air Supply - Get HPA. 5: Firepower - The RT and cyclone, while very effective firepower upgrades, are not the most air efficient. For the "most efficient" 98 you would probably need an E-Bolt, along with an electronic hopper to keep up with it. Keeping these things in mind will lead you on the path to a much more air efficient marker. As far as I am concerned, Bruce A. Frank has already built the most air efficient 98 that could possibly be made. ------------- 
System X NME LE WGP Orracle Cocker Tippmann A-5 E-Grip & LPK Tippmann 98C Flatline & LPK |
Posted By: Gulfster
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 2:36pm
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FyreFly, you nailed the exact answer I was looking for. Thanks
Exactly what set up does Bruce have? I'm not looking to copy and be unorginal, just looking for inspiration. |
Posted By: DanSD
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 3:03pm
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Get a cyclone. It uses excess air that would have been wasted anyway which makes it the most air efficient mod IMO. It will not cause you to have less shots per tank but it won't give you anymore either.
------------- Don't hate the player... Hate the game. |
Posted By: A-5 Command
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 6:47pm
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Yes, if your staying woodsball, a cyclone would give you better advantages over an electronic hopper. I use an E-Grip and i love it, havent had a single problem with it in 2 years, and i play a BUTTLOAD of scenario and woodsball. HPA over co2 definatly, but how much are you willing to spend? You should also think about a stock and remote. ------------- A-5 Flatline E-Grip Tapco T-6 stock JCS Duel Trigger JCS Universal BiPod Core Remote 88ci/4500psi Crossfire R-5 Hopper Apex Barrel Hot Shot red dot Lapco offset Spec Ops A5-A2 grip |
Posted By: FyreFly
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 9:41pm
Bruce has two 98's set up very similarly. I tried searching for the exact specs but couldn't find what I was really looking for, so I'll go on memory. Basically he has a modified E-Bolt in conjunction with the LPK. Instead of the stock ASA for the E-Bolt he replaced the LPR with a Palmers Micro-Rock I believe, and modified the valve and pin to minimize any blow back gas since it is not necessary to reset the bolt with the E-Bolt. As far as I remember, he said that he got his 98 to operate as low as 150psi, which is FAR less than the recommended 325psi operating pressure. -------------
System X NME LE WGP Orracle Cocker Tippmann A-5 E-Grip & LPK Tippmann 98C Flatline & LPK |
Posted By: old fart
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 3:44pm
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Im a dealer, a tippmann love and a airsmith got a custom pro just for experimentation, did everything too it, removed most everything and hve the best performance with the following 1 98 custom pro 2) Hammerhead 5 fin barrel set 3)APE electronic board and alluminum trigger 4) cyclone feed system with ricochette hopper 5) removed drop and installed Custom Products on/off ASA 6) run on compressed Air The gun really rips, my son shoots Angel G-7 this little heavy tippmann will definately keep up! The cyclone feed system will never chop good paint, it is the only positive ball feed system on the market, all others are gravity or force fed. The cyclone only feed when the bolt retracts. Believe me this gun really rips |