Sure, a history would be cool. So any closed bolt marker, eh? Is there a main cocker that is considered to be the best or a company that is considered the best (like WGP?). Could you explain exactly what a closed bolt marker is and/or give an example (you can use technical terms, i'm not retarted, just uneducated on these guns). So is an autococker the same as a cocker?

Cocker is short for Autococker.  "Autococker" is trademarked by WGP, who also made the original autocockers.  Other companies also make knockoff "autococking markers", sometimes affectionately described as "fockers" - fake cockers.

The original autococker was invented by Bud Orr, founder of WGP, although many think he stole the design from Glenn Palmer, of Palmer Pneumatics.  A quick inspection will show that Palmer guns are very similar in design to autocockers.  As a result of this dispute over who invented what, WGP has been unable to stop people from making fockers, although WGP (now owned by K2) is enforcing their rights to the name "Autococker".

Autocockers are "closed bolt", yes, but so are many others.  It is difficult to say exactly what makes a cocker a cocker, but the basic mechanism is that the trigger does two things.  First, it releases the hammer that operates the valve.  Second, when you pull the trigger further, air is redirected to a 2-way ram that cocks the gun and opens the bolt.  When you release the trigger, the ram closes the bolt.  Thus closed-bolt - the gun is now cocked with the bolt closed.

All the pneumatics are stuck on the front end of the gun.  This is because autocockers are essentially converted pump guns.  Think of a pump gun that uses pneumatics to run the pump arm, and you have an autococker.

They are favored with tinkerers, since they are very modular and easily customized. 

EDIT - I need to learn to type faster.

raflexjrsr wrote: Snake6 wrote: Do you want a history?A cocker normally refers to any closed bolt marker... On the facefull mag they show a trilogy sf and says it is open bolt, though they say it has "cocker accuracy"

Eww... just read this post. I guess if the triligy isn't a real closed bolt it'd be best to get the real deal.

Trilogies are made by WGP, and are "authentic".  But they are not as modular and tinkerable as real cockers, which is why they are cheaper.

There is nothing wrong with non-WGP cockers, necessarily - as long as the parts are fully interchangeable (which most are).  Some fockers are very nice indeed, like Chipley cockers.

As to the "closed bolt accuracy" - that's just hype.  Closed bolt does not make anything more accurate.  Cockers are pretty consistent in their velocity (=accurate), this is true, but that has nothing to do with the closed bolt nature of the mechanism.

What other companies make decent fockers?

remaining questions to be anwswered:

"Also, can the ccm pump kit (any better pump kit to reccomend?) be put on any autococker (including the triligy)? With the pump kit on an autococker you basicly have a gun that can be either pump or converted back to autococking, right? Assuming the WGP sniper can only be a pump, is it best to get an autococker and switch from there if you want to? "

Dye also makes quality guns.  Don't get System X (non-standard, questionable quality).

Other than that, not so sure...

I also prefer old slider triggers.  But giant caveat - anything older than a 2000 model will have different parts that are NOT interchangeable (completely, anyway) with 2000+ cockers.  Parts for older cockers are harder to come by.

If you are planning to tinker, I would recommend 2000 or newer.

But like Enos said, you can get them cheap used.  I paid about $175 for my 2002 WGP cocker, and that was two years ago.

Between PBN and Ebay there is a ton of used cockers and cheap parts available.