Settles all my fears, thanx guys.  You're right, Tippmann just released the C3, which kicks ass.  But giving that it can take up to several years from drawing board to the fields, why not get a head start now?

Sureshot3091. wrote: They JUST came out with the C3, so wait a while...And Tippmann has no competetion from Spyder what-so-ever. So there's really no need to make a new gun.

so true

Monk wrote:   no other company sells "low cost" markers. Exept maybe Brass Eagle.

id do some research before making that assumption

takedown wrote: it's not milsim.  it's scenario.

false statement....you shoot a milsim marker...you play scenario

DsXz, i apologize...There is one more low cost marker out there; PMI Pirahna.  People usually dont think of them as marker manufactuers, just masks and air tanks, but they have a strong market of entry level markers, nothing compared to tippmann, but there all the same.  Spyder MR2 is not milsim, and it is a mistake to think so.  A scenario gun is WAY different than a milsim, in looks and in some cases, performance.  But back to my original point.....It takes several YEARS to produce a new marker.  From design board to factory, theres logistics, factory space, and even designing the gun itself to consider.  In my opinion, Tippmann needs to get a head-start on a new gun before Spyder actually does something right and makes a trustworthy scenario marker.  Sorry this post is so damn wordy!

IronFox wrote: Tippmann's have a name for ruggedness and reliability. They are the AK-47s of paintball. I mean they're not Brass Eagles here... Anyway, Spyder and Tippmann are VERY different guns.

  True but, you guys have got to realize that Spyders arn't that bad... They arn't as rugged as a tippmann but TIPPMANNS SHELLS ARE MADE OUT OF METAL. Thats what protects every thing. Any one can say spyders suck when they had one for a first gun and completly trash it because they were stupid noobs. I'd take a Tippmann over a Spyder just becase Its a Tippmann. That right there says it all.

SPYDERS DO NOT SUCK! they just break incredibly easy.  Until then, they are light-weight, low-cost markers.  Tippmanns are just as cheap, more rugged, but also heavier.  I dont know about you guys, but unloaded (no paint in hopper, no tank attached) my gun weighs 8 lbs.  THATS ALOT FOR A PAINTBALL GUN! lawls...i guess it just depends on what you'd prefer.

NEWBS, LISTEN UP: SPYDERS DON'T SUCK!

I'm the local Spyder fanatic, so pay attention. It all depends on how you get the Spyder. Translation: used for cheap, then fix it. It will cost you less than a new 98c to fix up a "broken" Spyder. I picked up a Spyder Imagine for $55 from a friend. Included was a charger, drop forward, Phat barrel, and Empire Revolution hopper. It works fine. Want to know why? BECAUSE I TAKE CARE OF IT! If it breaks, fix it. My Spyder performs almost as good as a true electro, because I upped it. Mainly: T-Board. For another $50, I have an unlimited rate of fire, and can install eyes and a ramping chip. Total spent on gun: $100. BPS: 15+. BPS potential: 25+ with ease. Chops: 3. Shots Fired: 4000+ (not counting the shots my friend fired. He reported no chops as well.) Why is it I can have a perfectly fine Spyder Imagine while no one else can? It's not the gun. It's the user.

dear mr. -=Tippmann=-: im hurt. really. you cut me deep. but since i don't have time to argue with a closed-minded cretin, ill just provide direct counters to your statements and be done with it.

-=Tippmann=- wrote: And my detent was not too tight. glad to see you're confident. did you even experiment? it sounds liike you are just assuming. How can you say that spyders don't chop and are fine? They are the worst for reliability/ball chopping. did ya research? sounds like more assumptions. all i've heard from you is "spyders r teh ub3R suX0rZ!!11!!eleven1!" the only evidence you have provided is you've used one for 3 years. whoopty-doo. i like spyders. convince me otherwise. check pbreview.com. the spyders have an average of a low 9 for the ratings, with an average of about 250 reveiws per gun. that is VERY good, with ratings consistant to that of your precious tippmanns. So i took better care of my gun then anyone else and it still sucked. there you go waving your flag again. im sure this is a concrete fact. DeTrevni- That's all you are is a spyder fanatic.....another person sticking up for a POS gun that sucks. don't you think there might be a reason i support spyders? ALL of the people i know have had great success with theirs, so why can't you. hmmm... WOW really congratulations that you got a spyder that works..... do you really think ive only used 1 spyder? my first gun was a spyder classic, which worked fine, traded for a tippmann, which proceeded to break on me, used my friends spyder aggressor, which worked fine, then picked up a spyder imagine, which i use to this day. but for the rest of the normal people out there THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR SPYDERS and they still suck dont you find it odd that i've had luck with 3 spyders and you can't keep one working? can you see what led me to this conclusion? don't go around stuck up about how no one takes care of their gun, you act like your god.. im only snobby to people who deserve it. you can't see past your own nose and you speak for others. in my book, this makes me not respect you. i don't care if you want my respect or not, but if your going to be a jerk, im going to be a jerk to you. plus, im not aiming the newb thing at you. you are NOT the first one to complain about their spyders sucking, and there are many instances of those nay-sayers changing their opinions their spyder because they CLEANED IT! Newb don't make me smite you.

-=Tippmann=- wrote: Spyders suck. Period. I should know since I played with a spyder for two years before i got my A-5 three days ago. I originally bought a Spyder becuase it was so cheap. But it SUCKED. If you want to know why it sucks is because the stupid bolt would get jammed in the hole if the smallest crap went into the chamber while playing woodsball, the seals were cheap and leaked, and there was absolutely NO, i repeat NO protection for the bolt, the whole thing was right out in the open. You say spyders don't suck, they just break easy? Lets take three seconds to decided on what makes a gun good. 1. Reliability 2. Reliability 3. Performance Spyder gets a big Fat F- for a grade on 2/3 of the quiz so don't ever say Spyders don't suck. This is comming from someone that has went through 3 years of a POS spyder. Also, i would add another 10 pounds onto my A-5 and I would still use it over any spyder ever made. Spyders Suck. End of story.

DeTrevni just pwnt. 

btw, how is the Spyder project going?

Styro Folme wrote: DeTrevni just pwnt.  btw, how is the Spyder project going?

edit: im making a flash animation of my project. ill post it when im done!

before i make any more mockery of myself, im just going to **edited**......

I'm done with this topic, goodbye, im sure nobody will miss me

Styro Folme wrote: DeTrevni wrote: Styro Folme wrote: DeTrevni just pwnt.  btw, how is the Spyder project going? glad you still remember! im in the process of repainting the body black/gold two-tone. also, i got 90 bucks to dispose of, so some nifty features might be in order very soon! edit: im making a flash animation of my project. ill post it when im done! lol a flash animation?  that sounds interesting....  black and gold look hawt together...  what was the base again?

its gonna look shweet (the flash)! im still prayin the gun will look good.

i started out with a 2k3 spyder imagine.