.Ryan wrote: So, we're gonna win....good to know...lol... But na, I don't like "holy books", or rather the people who believe in them. This doesn't rank any higher for me than the part in the bible that makes weekly paychecks a sin...no to mention the other part that says we should stone people who "take the lords name in vain"....bs.

Uhhhhhhh any references on that, preferably a quote?

benttwig33 wrote: never heard of weekly paychecks being a sin, you should go back to religion classes.

Or maybe you guys should actually read the bible if you are going to be christians.

It's in Leviticus.  It specifically says to pay workmen at the end of each day.  Leviticus is great reading.

phillll227 wrote: I've always been under the impression that most of the interesting "laws" written in the Old Testament were primarily intended for the Israelites, because God wanted to separate them from other cultures. These laws don't necesarily apply in modern times, after Christ. I could be wrong on this though.

Well, that's a very convenient excuse brought up by modern-day christians that don't like some of the harsher Sharia-like rules of the OT.

There is a sequence in the gospels where Jesus tells the people that "it's not what goes into the mouth that makes you unclean, but what is in the mind" (my paraphrase).  This is usually the part that is pointed to as "revoking" the old kosher rules (about what you can and cannot eat).  I don't see any way, however, where that stretches to rules about paying workmen, or rules about punishment for rape, or anything else for that matter.

And, conveniently, that rule is never applied to the ten commandments, which are right next to a bunch of other rules that are casually disregarded.

Modern christians pick and choose indiscriminately from the OT, only going with what they like (like the whole "no ghey sexks" part).

At least the muslims are consistent - Sharia all the way, baby.

Savage93fvss wrote: so what's the verse clark?

I gave you the book, and you want chapter and verse also?

Lev 19:13

Frankly, I don't think anybody who hasn't read the bible, cover to cover, has any right to call themselves "christian", since they cannot possibly know what they are claiming to believe in.

Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think people should say they believe in "x" when they have no idea what "x" is.

Acts 1:18.

Dont piss God off.

Jack Carver wrote: P.S. Da Hui, do you own a keyboard?

No, I don't.

Jack Carver wrote: Clark Kent wrote: Lev 19:13 Leviticus wrote: Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God. That one? Clark Kent wrote: Frankly, I don't think anybody who hasn't read the bible, cover to cover, has any right to call themselves "christian", That's an interesting idea, but I don't think anyone who HAS read the bible cover-to-cover and belived every word of it can call themselves Christian. You can't just take every verse literally and interpret things the way you see fit. It's gotta be taken in the context of the writing, in the context of the time it was written, and in context with the rest of the Bible. P.S. Da Hui, do you own a keyboard?

I dont know what verse your looking at says but mine says Lev. 19-13 "Do not defraud your neighbor or rob him, Do not hold back the wages of a of a hired man overnight."

savage wrote: holy crap clark calm the eff down all i did was ask the verse so i could look it up. jesus. just shut up. Your always about proving everybody wrong, even if they just asked a simple question.

Not trying to prove anybody wrong - but I am, frankly, hugely offended by self-proclaimed "christians" who haven't even read the central text of their supposed religion.  I recall you coming out strongly on the christian side of things in the past - if I am confusing you with somebody else, then I apologize.

Carver wrote: I don't think anyone who HAS read the bible cover-to-cover and belived every word of it can call themselves Christian.

It certainly is a common problem - many people find their faith changes after actually reading the book, for better or worse. 

But there are thousands/millions of people out there who have read the entire book and do in fact believe.  Does anybody doubt the faith of Billy Graham, or doubt that he practically has the whole thing memorized?  As for believing "every word" - I don't know that that is a requirement.  Fundamentalists obviously believe that way, but many other groups believe that you can be christian without taking a literal view of the bible.

savage wrote: Christianity is based on exepting that jesus christ died for our sins and is the one and only god.

But how do you know that?  If you haven't read the bible, all you know is what some guy in a pulpit told you.  Shouldn't you check for yourself?

dbib wrote: Reading the bible isnt really enough, you have to take into acount the cultures too, and you have to know how to interpret it, because a lot of things that are in the bible cannot be taken at face value because of mistranslations.

I don't necessarily disagree with that.  Familiarity with the bible is, IMO, a necessary condition.  Whether it is also a sufficient condition is a tougher question.

 I'm very srry Hades that you think christianity is just some type of "fire insurance" It is so much more..... Clark-  theres only one thing that will make you a christian, excepting Christ into your heart it has nothing to do with reading the bible ......... Savage-  keep up with reading the Bible its an awesome book.

by the way christianity isnt A religion its a relationship, and anyone who turns it into "religion" is not a true christian but a fake.

I don't typically get into religious discussions, but I'd like to point out a couple of misconceptions on Christianity.

The Old Testament was not disregarded by the New. If you'd read your Bible, the New Testament makes quite clear what parts were inconsequential to modern Christianity. I won't go into them, but stoning those who disobey God was clearly one of those commandments that was done away with. "Vengeance is mine..." I believe is how the verse starts out.

Living Christianity has nothing to do with memorizing the Bible-it is about living a life moral and acceptable to God. Christians are not held responsible for what they do not know-so this idea that you're not living the whole Bible is eroneous to our belief-Christianity is a personal building experience. You build upon what you know day by day, and that's what you're responsible for.

 Hades only God knows your heart, and if you are truelly a "real" follower of christ then there is much much more to do. So simply from your statement that there is "nothing more to do", I know that you are indeed just using Christ as a back up plan incase heaven is real. Or you are very misguided.

Frozen- if you killed a baby today and excepted christ as your savior tomo., your chances would be as good as mine. sin is sin no matter how small or big.

*Stealth* wrote: And every rule in the old testiment has been fufilled by jesus crist's death, every rule is summed up by love. Period end of story.

So the rules in the OT no longer apply?  I can ignore the ten commandments?

Cool.

DBibeau855 wrote: If it does, the misfits are screwed.

Well, they had somthing to say.

*Stealth* wrote: All the rules and crap is a religion imposing apon faith. Love is the sum of everything. Sum of christianity, In the new covenent, In it's entire whole... Is Faith in god, And Love. End of story.

I could go with your version.

I think, however, that you are in the distinct minority among christians with that view.  Virtually every church I know imposes certain strict behavioral rules - frequently based in the OT, like the old ghey sex thing...

DBibeau855 wrote: Yup, the old rules like meat on friday and no shellfish seased to aply after jesus.

What about all the other old rules that have nothing to do with meat and shellfish?