PaintballPIMPIN wrote: is there any way to quiet my sppedball tippmann 98c? i havn't seen or read on this in a while.i have everything speedball except the e-grip that i am going to make fit in my old style gun and a better barrel/ but seriously i have everything except those for speedball witch are like the only 2 things i have left.anything else besides qiuting the sear, and lpk?(NOT GETTING E-BOLT)

A heavily ported long (14" or more) barrel with very small porting holes.

FyreFly wrote: LPK, if you don't have it.

yup, got it. don't u think the 14in barrel to to big for speedball? i thought of a 12in is speedball. what do you mean about heavily ported?.689 for caliber, is that what u mean?

PaintballPIMPIN wrote: FyreFly wrote: LPK, if you don't have it. yup, got it. don't u think the 14in barrel to to big for speedball? i thought of a 12in is speedball. what do you mean about heavily ported?.689 for caliber, is that what u mean?

If you're talking about airball, a 14" barrel is perfect. The longer barrel helps you wrap around and push into the sides of bunkers.

Gasdrinker wrote: do you really think because you have a quiet gun, people wont know where you are in speedball?

Actually, I play speedball at night on a lighted field. The way it is lighted there are deep shadows in places from which you can shoot so that a relatively quiet marker can keep you from being detected. It allows me to post on people, take them out, and go undetected for much of the game...at least until I'm the only one left on the field.

daveb333 wrote: SuzukiRider987 wrote: PaintballPIMPIN wrote: FyreFly wrote: LPK, if you don't have it. yup, got it. don't u think the 14in barrel to to big for speedball? i thought of a 12in is speedball. what do you mean about heavily ported?.689 for caliber, is that what u mean? If you're talking about airball, a 14" barrel is perfect. The longer barrel helps you wrap around and push into the sides of bunkers. No way.  12"-10" is perfect for speedball.  You need to be able to peek around bunkers at close range, and you want the gun to be lighter, with more agility.  Trust me, using a 14" barrel in a speedball course is nothing but a pain.

A longer barrel makes it easier to push into airball bunkers.

hybrid-sniper wrote: daveb333 wrote: SuzukiRider987 wrote: PaintballPIMPIN wrote: FyreFly wrote: LPK, if you don't have it. yup, got it. don't u think the 14in barrel to to big for speedball? i thought of a 12in is speedball. what do you mean about heavily ported?.689 for caliber, is that what u mean? If you're talking about airball, a 14" barrel is perfect. The longer barrel helps you wrap around and push into the sides of bunkers. No way.  12"-10" is perfect for speedball.  You need to be able to peek around bunkers at close range, and you want the gun to be lighter, with more agility.  Trust me, using a 14" barrel in a speedball course is nothing but a pain.  A longer barrel makes it easier to push into airball bunkers.

Thats true, but if your "pushing an airball bunker" and suddenly you need to retreat, a smaller barrel would be more smaller and lighter, which would make it easier.  I guess it all depends on what your preference is then.

What do you mean by "retreat."

And the weight difference ia almost zero.

WOULD YOU GUYS STOP **edited**ING BOTHERING ME!  EVERY GODAM POST I MAKE YOUR ON MY A**!  I HAVE 4 YEARS PAINTBALL CAPTAIN EXPERIENCE.  NOT TO MENTION GETTING TRAINED BY AN EX-PRO. 

How bout you let the person who created the post reply to what i have to say, instead of stupid troublemakers like you!!!

Im not trying to prove hybrid wrong, im trying to give PaintballPIMPIN some advice here!!  How bout you stop spamming the S*** out of everyones forums!

hybrid-sniper wrote: What do you mean by "retreat." And the weight difference ia almost zero.

By retreat i mean like get back into your cover.

Its not that big of a weight difference, unless you get like a carbon fiber one or something, than its a very noticable difference.. sorry i just worded it wrong

Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.  Seriously think about what your saying.  Have you ever heard an eclipse gun shot?  If you had a silencer on that gun it wouldnt do anything... cause it doesnt make enough noise as it is!  So why cant you make the tippmann as quiet as that?? 

Please give me a good reason to why you guys say that silencers are illegal!  Dont just get all personal and attack me cause im disagreeing with you.  Make some kinda reasonable argument!  Im not just some kinda trouble maker with nothing better to do but to disagree with everyone and yell at everyone.  I didnt participate in this forum to argue and cause troubal either.  I came to discuss the game and help people in need, and vice versa.

daveb333 wrote: WOULD YOU GUYS STOP **edited**ING BOTHERING ME!  EVERY GODAM POST I MAKE YOUR ON MY A**!  I HAVE 4 YEARS PAINTBALL CAPTAIN EXPERIENCE.  NOT TO MENTION GETTING TRAINED BY AN EX-PRO.  How bout you let the person who created the post reply to what i have to say, instead of stupid troublemakers like you!!! Im not trying to prove hybrid wrong, im trying to give PaintballPIMPIN some advice here!!  How bout you stop spamming the S*** out of everyones forums!

Dave,

If you do not control your language you are going to get at least one strike...3 and you are off the forums. If you keep loosing your temper and can't keep a clean mouth you are probably better off somewhere else.

daveb333 wrote: Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.  Seriously think about what your saying.  Have you ever heard an eclipse gun shot?  If you had a silencer on that gun it wouldnt do anything... cause it doesnt make enough noise as it is!  So why cant you make the tippmann as quiet as that??  Please give me a good reason to why you guys say that silencers are illegal!  Dont just get all personal and attack me cause im disagreeing with you.  Make some kinda reasonable argument!  Im not just some kinda trouble maker with nothing better to do but to disagree with everyone and yell at everyone.  I didnt participate in this forum to argue and cause troubal either.  I came to discuss the game and help people in need, and vice versa.

Dave,

I have posted this numerous times now. The BATF does not care whether you own a gun or not. The silencer is the controlled item. It is illegal (that means there is a law against it) to manufacture or own a silencer if you have not paid the $200 fee to license it. A silencer has to be licensed to be legal. It does not have to be mounted on a gun or a paintball marker to be illegal. If it is not licensed it is illegal. If you own no guns or markers but you still own an un-licensed silencer you are subject to arrest for possessing an illegal devise!

Man, I cannot say it any clearer. The LAW says the silencer is the controlled devise. Not the gun, the silencer!

daveb333 wrote: Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.

Dave,

Please, if you are off your medications, get back on them.

Where are you located? Canada, Australia? Certainly can't be in the US? We do not register our guns here in the US with any federal government agency. The BATF controls some items such as fully automatic weapons, Explosives/destructive devises and silencers. And even then, if you pay the registration/licensing fees, then you can own such items.

Ya see, Dave, BATF is there to regulate criminal activities. Not harass law abiding citizens who have paid their licensing fees. Now if you own a silencer and haven't paid your licensing fees, you are no longer a law abiding citizen.

yeah, i have a new cpro barrel on my 2002 tippmann 98c its 12in, so everyone here would rather have me get a 14in, if so what would be better for the buck cuase im down in the dumps with money would an e-bolt quiet if down with a qev? cause im lookin for 1.

p.s. no more flamming, dave just relax, everyone else, i want helpful information not an online jerry springer, even though that would be kinda cool, o well.

FyreFly wrote: daveb333 wrote: Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it. I have 8 various firearms in my house right now, from shotguns on up to assault rifles and not a single one is registered with the BATF.   Your getting confused with background checks, which are not the same as having to register them with the gov't.  Even background checks are only for certain assault weapons and handguns.  Any idiot can go down to WalMart today and buy a new shotgun or rifle.  But if you need ammo too, you have to buy the weapon, bring it out to your car, and go back in for the ammo.  They won't sell you both a firearm and ammo at the same time!

By law all firearms have to be licensed and registered stupid.  If not a single one is registered and u live in USA than you illegaly own them.  Unless oyu live in new hampshire or something like that.  And you cannot buy a firearm without an FID license.  I found this kinda interesting, but i just learned by law you actually cannot buy a CO2 tank for a paintball gun without an fid card ether..  kinda funny.

P.S.  The government is not as stupid as you think

Bruce A. Frank wrote: daveb333 wrote: Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.  Seriously think about what your saying.  Have you ever heard an eclipse gun shot?  If you had a silencer on that gun it wouldnt do anything... cause it doesnt make enough noise as it is!  So why cant you make the tippmann as quiet as that??  Please give me a good reason to why you guys say that silencers are illegal!  Dont just get all personal and attack me cause im disagreeing with you.  Make some kinda reasonable argument!  Im not just some kinda trouble maker with nothing better to do but to disagree with everyone and yell at everyone.  I didnt participate in this forum to argue and cause troubal either.  I came to discuss the game and help people in need, and vice versa. Dave, I have posted this numerous times now. The BATF does not care whether you own a gun or not. The silencer is the controlled item. It is illegal (that means there is a law against it) to manufacture or own a silencer if you have not paid the $200 fee to license it. A silencer has to be licensed to be legal. It does not have to be mounted on a gun or a paintball marker to be illegal. If it is not licensed it is illegal. If you own no guns or markers but you still own an un-licensed silencer you are subject to arrest for possessing an illegal devise! Man, I cannot say it any clearer. The LAW says the silencer is the controlled devise. Not the gun, the silencer!

OF COURSE THE GOVERNMENT CARES!   Read the law and understand it first.  Lemme ask you, does the BATF make car silencers or motorcycle silencers illegal??  they dont care if its not a gun right?  all silencers are illegal..   thats the stupidest thing ive ever herd!  "the BATF doesnt care".

Ask anyone from BATF or anyone that has common sense.   BATF controls laws about ALCOHOL, TOBACCO and FIREARMS!  A marker doesnt fit the description of a gun, therefor they dont make the laws about it.  DURR.  The law is saying that specific silencers can be used on a real gun, especially universal ones.. If a silencer is ment for a specific paintball marker and a specific barrel size ment for .68 caliber paintballs, its not legal... However if its an attachment that just clamps on to the end of a current, already attached barrel, you can use it on a normal gun, making it a firearm silencer, making it illegal.

You do not need to pay 200$ for a silencer, you need to pay 200$ to get a license to MANUFACTURE it.

You are not "subject to arrest" till you have used it.  If they find it in your possesion they can take it away, thats the extent of it.

Bruce A. Frank wrote: daveb333 wrote: Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.  Dave, Please, if you are off your medications, get back on them. Where are you located? Canada, Australia? Certainly can't be in the US? We do not register our guns here in the US with any federal government agency. The BATF controls some items such as fully automatic weapons, Explosives/destructive devises and silencers. And even then, if you pay the registration/licensing fees, then you can own such items. Ya see, Dave, BATF is there to regulate criminal activities. Not harass law abiding citizens who have paid their licensing fees. Now if you own a silencer and haven't paid your licensing fees, you are no longer a law abiding citizen.

LMAO  see how stupid you are.  You claim u own a gun store?? lmao.  Fully auto/burst fire or ANY kind of mode which the gun shoots itself is illegal.  ONLY Semi auto is legal, and ONLY pump action shotguns are legal.  Dude, stop pulling stuff out of ur but.

Here are some quotes from the BATF themselves:

The term "firearm" means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

The term "manufacturer" means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution; and the term "licensed manufacturer" means any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.

The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Rifles, carbines, revolvers, and pistols, to caliber .50 inclusive, combat shotguns, and shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches in length are included under Category I(a). Machineguns, submachineguns, machine pistols and fully automatic rifles to caliber .50 inclusive are included under Category I(b).

(Would you look at that, ammunition over .5 caliber is illegal!  Does this mean that paintballs (.68 caliber) are illegal??  NO!  A paintball isnt considered ammunition because a paintball gun isnt really a firearm therefor it is not controlled by the BATF)

Go to http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/complete.htm - http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/complete.htm  and see for yourself

P.S. do a search on "paintball".  NOTHING shows up.  In the list of laws that the BATF has about firearms, NOTHING shows up about the word paintball... what does that tell you?  The answer isn't nothing.

daveb333 wrote: Bruce A. Frank wrote: daveb333 wrote: Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.  Dave, Please, if you are off your medications, get back on them. Where are you located? Canada, Australia? Certainly can't be in the US? We do not register our guns here in the US with any federal government agency. The BATF controls some items such as fully automatic weapons, Explosives/destructive devises and silencers. And even then, if you pay the registration/licensing fees, then you can own such items. Ya see, Dave, BATF is there to regulate criminal activities. Not harass law abiding citizens who have paid their licensing fees. Now if you own a silencer and haven't paid your licensing fees, you are no longer a law abiding citizen. LMAO  see how stupid you are.  You claim u own a gun store?? lmao.  Fully auto/burst fire or ANY kind of mode which the gun shoots itself is illegal.  ONLY Semi auto is legal, and ONLY pump action shotguns are legal.  Dude, stop pulling stuff out of ur but.

Dave,

I thought this argument was completed, but it appears to be stuck in your craw. Again I'll hit you with the facts.

Any citizen of the U.S., who has no criminal record, may own a  machine gun IF HE PAYS THE LICENSING FEES TO THE BATF and has no suspicious activity uncovered in the intense background check done by the BATF when the application to buy the firearm is placed with them. The fee paid is there to cover the cost of the background check.

Semi-auto shotguns, not just pump guns, are extensively used in the US, both for hunting and skeet and trap competition...and require no federal licensing or registration.

Dave, you are an asinine little twit who cannot even recognize when his b**t has been kicked six ways from Sunday. This is a dead subject with every rebuttal to your point of view backed up with documentation from Federal regulations and links to those information sites.

One last point, one more time, silencers are illegal (home made or otherwise) unless registered and licensed with the BATF. Possession of an unregistered one, whether you own a firearm or a paintball marker or not, is illegal.

Bruce A. Frank wrote: daveb333 wrote: Bruce A. Frank wrote: daveb333 wrote: Heres another final argument about silencers and paintballs being actual firearms..  Do you have to register/license your paintball gun to the BATF?  Cause if you dont... that means that it is not a gun, and the BATF doesnt make rules about it.  Dave, Please, if you are off your medications, get back on them. Where are you located? Canada, Australia? Certainly can't be in the US? We do not register our guns here in the US with any federal government agency. The BATF controls some items such as fully automatic weapons, Explosives/destructive devises and silencers. And even then, if you pay the registration/licensing fees, then you can own such items. Ya see, Dave, BATF is there to regulate criminal activities. Not harass law abiding citizens who have paid their licensing fees. Now if you own a silencer and haven't paid your licensing fees, you are no longer a law abiding citizen. LMAO  see how stupid you are.  You claim u own a gun store?? lmao.  Fully auto/burst fire or ANY kind of mode which the gun shoots itself is illegal.  ONLY Semi auto is legal, and ONLY pump action shotguns are legal.  Dude, stop pulling stuff out of ur but. Dave, I thought this argument was completed, but it appears to be stuck in your craw. Again I'll hit you with the facts. Any citizen of the U.S., who has no criminal record, may own a  machine gun IF HE PAYS THE LICENSING FEES TO THE BATF and has no suspicious activity uncovered in the intense background check done by the BATF when the application to buy the firearm is placed with them. The fee paid is there to cover the cost of the background check. Semi-auto shotguns, not just pump guns, are extensively used in the US, both for hunting and skeet and trap competition...and require no federal licensing or registration. Dave, you are an asinine little twit who cannot even recognize when his b**t has been kicked six ways from Sunday. This is a dead subject with every rebuttal to your point of view backed up with documentation from Federal regulations and links to those information sites. One last point, one more time, silencers are illegal (home made or otherwise) unless registered and licensed with the BATF. Possession of an unregistered one, whether you own a firearm or a paintball marker or not, is illegal.

Just know that you are the one whos getting personal here, dcik head

Stop repeating yourself and listen to what im saying here...  answer this question before you say anything else, yes or no..   are motorcycle/automobile silencers illegal?

hybrid-sniper wrote: Damn, this idiot is back again?

Excuse me?  keep talkin smack on the internet buddy, why dont u come up to me and say stuff like that to my face nerd

You Wont See Me wrote: I hope your talking about dave and not bruce....

I am sure he meant Dave. PaintballPIMPIN and I carry on a friendly exchange of modification info all the time.

You Wont See Me wrote: I hope your talking about dave and not bruce....

yup, talkin to dave. i wish he sould get a strike for bringin up a 2 month old thread, idk why hes back, he shoulda just stayed away, hes cuasing himself more grief then he is us, this is the forums for help, not bein a snotnosed lil punk.

and thanks for the coment bruce, im here to make friend, learn info, and help others who need it, not to deal with people like dave. 

PaintballPIMPIN wrote: why did u kick up my old thread(2 months old and everyone has forgot) im only posting cuase its at the top of the page. r u still here trin to prove others wrong, i thought u didint care what other people thought....yet, ur back. if u keep posting and tring to correct ur mistakes why do u even come back to this forum, i wish someone could ban u, im sick of u trin to be better than everyone else.

Im here to prove to the general public that silencers are legal, firearm silencers are illegal and paintball guns arn't silencers.  Im back cause the topic is being brought up over and over again and ignorant morons like you say the same thing over and over again regardless of how many ways they have been proved wrong, go ahead and ban be, i dont care cause the only reason im being hostile is because of immature kids like you who think they know everything, and everyone else is below them.  This is a forum ment for discussion.. not people telling other people who it is.. so ether listen to what other people have to say and consider them, or get the heck off of any forum you might come across.  Just because u think that you are right doesnt always mean you are, just because its the first thing u heard doesnt mean its correct and just because everyone else is saying something, doesnt mean thats the way it really is.

how bout instead of repeating yourself over and over agian, say something new that goes against what i just said, for example try and go against the quotes i copied from the BATF website and tell me there fake or wrong or something.  Cause if that were the case, that would be the only way that would make paintball silencers/mufflers illegal.

I come onto these forums open minded and willing to discuss.  But kids like you are close minded and have 1 thing to say and thats it, you simply think that your above everyone, and you cant get it out of your head that being close minded like that simply makes you below everyone else (whom isn't close minded).

PaintballPIMPIN wrote: You Wont See Me wrote: I hope your talking about dave and not bruce.... yup, talkin to dave. i wish he sould get a strike for bringin up a 2 month old thread, idk why hes back, he shoulda just stayed away, hes cuasing himself more grief then he is us, this is the forums for help, not bein a snotnosed lil punk.

I was on vacation in lebanon, why dont u ignore the fact that its an older thread and PROVE ME WRONG!!  Settle this once and for all and say something intelligent!  Ive proved every fact on this thread that you have stated wrong!

daveb333 wrote: hybrid-sniper wrote: Damn, this idiot is back again? Excuse me?  keep talkin smack on the internet buddy, why dont u come up to me and say stuff like that to my face nerd

Except I wont, because you aren't worth my time.

dude, im friken 13 years old and am more mature than u. i dont like telling people my age cuase they may treat me dif, i wanna be treated with respect like i treat everyone else that treats me with respect.

if u dont care about bein baned why r u still here, this was over and everyone wouldnt of remembered, now its back and ur trin to prove other people wrong, instead of sayin "hey, u may be right, but i have some facts and links to dif sights that may profide u with more info explaining that a part of ur statement was wrong". that would be the mature way of saying it instead of tring to stick out and and try to prove that ur right. so what if ur right, u dont need to be a d*** about it.

daveb333 wrote: Just know that you are the one whos getting personal here, dcik head

Noone else caught this filter dodge?  That's against forum rules Dave. 

From the BATF Q&A site.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a9 - http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a9

(M30) Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers NFA firearms? [ javascript history.back1 - Back ]

The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers. Because silencers are NFA weapons, an individual wishing to manufacture or transfer such a silencer must receive prior approval from ATF and pay the required tax. See Questions http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m15 - M15 and http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m16 - 16 for application details.

If I have any further questions as to the classification of a paintball or airgun silencer, who should I contact?

Please send a written request to ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch.

[18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a), 27 CFR 479.11]
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Anyone wishing to see a previous discussion on this check out:

BATF on silencers

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ok. basically, dave, you have had your butt handed to you, but what Bruce is trying to say, is paintball silencers are ILLEAGAL because they work on REAL FIREARMS!!! how did you miss that little tidbit in your extensive research. basically, if you want a silenced paintball gun, you need to make the silencer permanently affixed to you paintball gun. not gluing or otherwise, but by making the material of the silencer a part of the paintball gun itself. this is hardly worth the time, effort, money, and knowledge (which you obviously lack).

machine guns are legal to own, provided you have the licensing to own one. this requires fees for the permission of the batf, and getting a high ranking law enforcement official to sign permission to locally own one. not to mention, finding a machine gun available for purchase.

basically, every one of your arguments has been wrong, and you try to justify it by swearing and name calling and threatening. these combined factors lead me to believe you are around 12. youre to young for that kind of language little man...

DeTrevni wrote: ok. basically, dave, you have had your butt handed to you, but what Bruce is trying to say, is paintball silencers are ILLEAGAL because they work on REAL FIREARMS!!! how did you miss that little tidbit in your extensive research. basically, if you want a silenced paintball gun, you need to make the silencer permanently affixed to you paintball gun. not gluing or otherwise, but by making the material of the silencer a part of the paintball gun itself. this is hardly worth the time, effort, money, and knowledge (which you obviously lack). machine guns are legal to own, provided you have the licensing to own one. this requires fees for the permission of the batf, and getting a high ranking law enforcement official to sign permission to locally own one. not to mention, finding a machine gun available for purchase. basically, every one of your arguments has been wrong, and you try to justify it by swearing and name calling and threatening. these combined factors lead me to believe you are around 12. youre to young for that kind of language little man...

Dave333 has been part of the previous discussions where the BATF information was posted. It made no difference to him and I doubt that it will make any difference this time.

As for Dave's age, well, he said in a previous post that he had been a team captian for 4 years and had been trained by a pro. I guess you could be correct. He could have started before he was 8 and had time to gain all that experience. I still think that, against doctor's orders, he is off his meds.

RavenGuard wrote: daveb333 wrote: Lol machine guns are illegal to any normal citizin in the U.S.  Look it up in the link that i posted at the top of the page Not if you have a license....  it's the same license for silencers. You are wrong dave, I think you should stop arguing with us and call them yourself, let us know what they told you when you're done.

In Dave's post on another discussion about silencers he claimed he'd contacted the BATF and received a reply that said he was correct and we were all wrong. I invited him to post the reply from BATF. Has anyone seen it yet?

Ok...    Giant chill-pill for everybody, and especially (but not only) Dave.

Filterdodges = bad, and that includes plugging a bunch of "*****" in the middle of the word.  If I can figure out what you mean, you might as well type it out anyway.

Play nice, or don't play.