I'm not really a glock fan myself. I like the feel of my Colt .45 better. It's a Commander, so it's really light and therefore feels like a cannon even for an automatic. Very fun.

Meh for the Berrettas. I can shoot pretty darn good with my dad's 40 S&W Berretta, but there are two drawbacks to it-

It's unbalanced. Even with the bulky clip in it the recoil is pretty heavy for an auto. Definately go with a 9mm if you buy a Berretta.

Secondly, I can dissasemble it while it's still in your hand in a couple of seconds. Alot of cops won't carry it because of that. Push a button, pull a swith, voila the frame pops off and you're left standing with a plastic grip and no frame or bullet. Always nice.

stratoaxe wrote: Secondly, I can dissasemble it while it's still in your hand in a couple of seconds. Alot of cops won't carry it because of that. Push a button, pull a swith, voila the frame pops off and you're left standing with a plastic grip and no frame or bullet. Always nice.

ROFL. You think you can do that, eh? You think anyone trained in its use will GIVE you a couple of seconds?

brihard wrote: stratoaxe wrote: Secondly, I can dissasemble it while it's still in your hand in a couple of seconds. Alot of cops won't carry it because of that. Push a button, pull a swith, voila the frame pops off and you're left standing with a plastic grip and no frame or bullet. Always nice. ROFL. You think you can do that, eh? You think anyone trained in its use will GIVE you a couple of seconds? As a police officer, is a suspect attempts to disarm you, you plug him; it's that simple.

I get your point, but I wasn't talking about officers I was talking about the gun itself.

Don't laugh until you've tried it though-it's easier than you think. A couple of seconds is all it takes-bear in mind I said if you put it in my face, I could pull it apart. Very simple. One button and off the slide goes.  Now from five or ten feet off that's different, but point blank the slide's coming off. Most officers don't get that close anyway, so it's really just a non-issue. Really it was just an observation, not a brag.

I shot a glock 17 at a gun range too.

I also shot a Silenced MP5(I guess) on the same day. Had some fun with that full auto.

I think they were both 9mm? I know I used the same ammo for both guns.

Anyway, I will not chime in on this conversation anymore because I know nothing about guns.

i love my glock, its a 40 s&w. i got it for my 14th birthday. its the best.

I <3 my .38 special Police Positive, 4" barrel

I have a Python too, those are my only two pistols.

Im old school.

brihard wrote: Dune wrote: If you want a 9mm Double Action Only in polymer form, go for a Springfield XD 9mm, I think it shoots much better than the Glock 17. However, I do prefer the Glock 23 in .40 cal over the XD in .40 cal. So it depends on the round for me. I have little use for the .45, especially for police work. It's bulky and you get less rounds in your clip. The .40 cal is the ideal round for law enforcement. Analysis of police self-defense shootings consistently shows that in the majority of 'shots fired' situations, less than three shots total are fired by all aprties, so the magazine capacity isn't really a valid issue. Add the extra mags to that- if 21 rounds of .45 ACP aren't getting you out of the situation, guaranteed the tactical or response team are already on their way. Taht being said, .40 is a more controllable round, and will be easier for cops to put on target who've not gotten as much chance to rpactice as would be preferred. I know that in Ontario all city forces but one use .40, and the other went with 9mm.

Anyone involved with law enforcement already knows those statistics, but going off those alone doesn't make me feel comfortable carrying the .45. It's not the amount of rounds that makes me soley comfortable, but it does help a little. Plus, only in rare form do I like that round for police work. Even in the UMP .45 I still do not really trust it. I think I'll stick with the .40 for that.

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The Glock shoots surprisingly well with its long, mushy D/A only pull.  I still prefer other guns over it.  Glocks trigger safety within the trigger was originally designed by Steyr, which I prefer the shorter more crisp "snap" of the D/A Steyr over the Glock.

Isolate the trigger finger from the rest of your hand/body, don't fight the recoil (physically/mentally), relax and you'll be smoking the 10 ring.

Target shooting and practicing for self defense are 2 totally different things.  For self defense you want lots of ragged holes over an entire area about the size of a piece of notebook paper. And done quickly.

I used to shoot alot but it got boring.

ShortyBP wrote: Dune wrote: Anyone involved with law enforcement already knows those statistics, but going off those alone doesn't make me feel comfortable carrying the .45. It's not the amount of rounds that makes me soley comfortable, but it does help a little. Plus, only in rare form do I like that round for police work. Even in the UMP .45 I still do not really trust it. I think I'll stick with the .40 for that. The back-n-forths of what is better will always be around. More rounds? Larger caliber? Heavier rounds? +P? Each side has arguments, statistics and studies to support their claims. .40S&W is a nice balance round. More oomph than the 9x19mm, but not quite the .45ACP.   Whether it is just as/not as/more effective than either the 9mm or 45ACP in real-life situations... let's hope Dune never has to find out!!! I'd like to get a .45ACP down the road. Have my eyes on a basic RIA M1911. But my only plan is to punch holes thru paper. Self defense... 124gr Gold Dots in 9x19 will do the job for me. Although with how my accuracy is at the moment... if I aim for the assailant's head, I'll hit their "other head". Again... gotta get more range time/practice in. reifidom wrote: Then we gave her a 10 gauge shotgun. More fun. Now that's just cruel.

Yeah, it's always based on opinion. What price range are you looking for in a .45 1911? I could suggest a few excellent ones depending on the money you want to spend.

cadet_sergeant wrote: ShortyBP wrote:  I need a "range buddy" to get me motivated to hit the range more often. Anybody feel like shooting in the NRAHQ basement? Share a lane for an hour or so, once or twice a month? trust me shorty miles are the only thing stopping me from taking that offer.

WErd.

Guns are fun.

I'll give the glock credit where credit is due. It is accurate enough(good barrels, despite bad trigger) easy to take care of and simple to operate. They're also pretty reliable. It's a great gun for someone who plans on using it only for self defense and combat type shooting.

It's not a bullseye gun. It's 1980's tech, there are better guns out there these days. It's blocky and uncomfortable. The trigger is safe, but not user friendly. The sights are not great for concealedcarry. It was revolutionary at it's time, but they have some catching up to do.

In short, it's a great gun for people who don't know a lot about guns and need one. Not a great multi-purpose weapon.

I still love the M1911 type pistols. I shoot better with them, even in rapid fire. If you really need it, there are extended 10 round mags available. It's a well balanced bullseye gun.

I had formal pistol training before rifle traing. It really makes you focus on the fundamentals better. There's a small margin of error. Still, due to training and familiarity, when something goes bump in the night and I open up the gun cabinet, I reach for a rifle. If i need to put something on the ground permanently, it very well could weigh 400 lbs and or be fifty yards out. If it's a bear I want to send a big chunk of lead, if it's a coyote it could be running, and I am going to do my best to put it down. I'm not going to have much sucess in hitting a small running target at 35-50 yards with a pistol.

Tae Kwon Do wrote: So am I the only person left that likes revolvers over autos?

your not the only one i love revolvers

rednekk98 wrote: Tae Kwon Do wrote: So am I the only person left that likes revolvers over autos? Certainly not. revolvers are very popular for self-defence. You can chamber them for very powerful cartridges(.500 S&W and such) which make them great for bear and large game. They're easy to use, and very reliable. I like that S&W 8 shot .357mag. Seems like a great defensive peice. My grandfather has a very nice snub nosed .38 that's his go-to gun. It's more accurate than you'd expect, I watched him draw it from it's holster and from about 15 yards put all five shots into a 3lb coffe can as fast as he could get the sights on target and pull the trigger. It has a light double action trigger pull, and freakishly light single action, which makes it very useable for target shooting and defense.

Yeah, no doubt on the accuracy thing. I fancy myself pretty darn accurate with the Police Positive. Of course, switching from the .38 of the PP to the .357 for the Python throws me off quite a bit.  

This is what I have. Not a pic of mine, but Colt only made one style of .38 Special PP. They all look the exact same.

I own a Glock 23C but favor my Springfield Armory Ultra Compact better. Ergonomics on the SA .45 is better than the double stack .40 S&W...don't get me wrong, the Glock is an excellent firearm but the SA is just more comfy to shoot.

...and forget about 9mm.....

try a .357 SIG (Glock handgun...<<<that's the caliber) and see how you like it

...and someone mentioned about not liking 'cocked and locked'...that's fine, try a Colt Double Eagle. A bit on the big side...but double action...