United 93
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Topic: United 93
Posted By: Clark Kent
Subject: United 93
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:47pm
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So - who is going to see this? Who is going to NOT see this? Should they have made the movie, or not? Does it matter? Curious about thoughts. Apparently it is quite well made, if that matters - not a MOTW at all. |
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:48pm
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I dont plan on seeing it.
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Posted By: iceman1186
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:50pm
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I dont think that I will go see it. Just because I hate to pay $9.00 for a movie ticket. It really doesnt matter to me whether or not they made it into a movie. However, I'm sure that some people are going to have problems with it. ------------- 
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:51pm
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I'm going this weekend. My wife won't go, and my friend Brandon won't go, but Brandon's fiance might, so we'll probably go. It's the same situation with roller coasters. My wife and my friend won't ride, by his fiance will.
It still gives me chills to see the preview and to read about it, but I'm drawn to see it. The guy playing the air traffic controller in the movie is really the air traffic controller from that day, the one who shut down the sky. He had come back from retirement to do the job, and it was his first day back. He said that it was good it was him to make that call and not somebody who had a career to worry about. He didn't care about the repercussions if he was wrong. ------------- 
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:51pm
Before they made it they asked all the families of the victims for permision, and the director who did it did Bloody Sunday which is another touchy topic for some. I trust Greengrass to make it tasteful and so far according to reviewers it is tasteful and not overdramatic like Oliver Stone's World Trade Center will be. I for one will see it if I have the time. If you feel its too soon and don't want to sit through it, then don't, it's as simple as that. |
Clark Kent wrote:Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:54pm
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I have the same feelings, but different conclusion. I won't be anywhere near this movie for a long time. I am neutral on the existence of the movie, although I am very happy they did it properly (as Dave pointed out), with good people. I am very curious how this one does at the box office. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:55pm
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Snakes On A Plane > United 93
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Posted By: PBalla2242
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:55pm
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i'm not particularly planning to go see it, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. as far as i know, it basically shows the passangers who were able to realize the truth and act on it. i respect those who chose to re-take the plane and not sit back and wish for a smooth landing. i don't blame the others for being afraid/hopeful, but i feel proud for those who stepped up. ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 2:55pm
Now there is a movie worth seeing. Unsure whether to wait for video or not, though. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:05pm
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Hmm. I indeed want to see it, but I plan to see Silent Hill next.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:08pm
I will be one of the droves of nerds who will go and watch it opening night... -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:08pm
| I might go and "see" it when it goes to the dollar movies but must likely I wont be paying much attention to it. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:17pm
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NOT going to see it... I just dont consider them the national hero's many people claim them to be.
If they amde a movie on a fire fighter that CHOSE to run into one of the WTC towers... then by all means, make a movie on him and I'll watch it... THEY are the real hero's... the ones that CHOSE to go in.. Cops, firefighters, Paramedics. NOT the ones that just reacted to a circumstance. ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:18pm
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Ive already seen that story for free on the Discovery channel.
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:23pm
----- I'm going to not see flight 93 however. Just seems like it's guaranteed to be a load of crap full of speculation. ------------- 
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Posted By: jmac3
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:26pm
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As someone said, as long as it is not overly dramatic I would not mind watching it. As far as too soon. No it is not. It has been 5 years. Too soon for families maybe( a HUGE maybe), but not for people that were nowhere near it. I almost want to say it is too late. ------------- Que pasa? 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:30pm
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I'll probably see it.
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:31pm
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I hadn't even heard of it until this thread. I deffinetely won't be going out of my way to see it. Not that I'm offended. I just really don't care.
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:33pm
| I do feel that its too soon. But, the previews look like it was done right. I probaly will go and see it. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 3:48pm
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 4:03pm
The cops and firefighters reacted to the circumstance too. They had the opportunity to help others, and they did. The people on the flight did the same. The people on the plane CHOSE to fight the terrorists. In my mind, they are all equals. |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 4:08pm
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I'll see it when it comes out on dvd.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 4:16pm
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Sammy...
Cops/FF CHOSE to run into a burning building. From what I know, very little if any were already in there when it happened. Therefore, they CHOSE to help. The passengers were on a flight that was attacked. They didn't wait till it was hijacked before going "Oh lets go see if we can fight back and possibly help people!" No.. they were in it. Therefore, in my opinion, NOT hero's. From what I know, as in what I've read, seen on tv, or heard int he recordings, they had NO intention on saving other people. From what I know, and it could be wrong, them fighting to save "The White House" or "Congress" is PURE speculation. Now.. if anyone has a recording saying otherwise, I'd GLADLY listen to it and possibly change my mind.. but as of now, IMO, it was a pseudo-selfless act turned heroic by the media. Psuedo-selfless as in they had more intention on saving their lives more than of others. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 4:24pm
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im not sure what there is to be offended about. from my point of view, it makes the passengers look like heroes, and its supposed to be tasteful. i see it as an honoring tribute. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 4:51pm
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I plan on seeing it. Looks interesting. ------------- 
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:11pm
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I don't understand your arguement Linus so I'm going to make an equation
Firefighters= at rest Police= at rest Plane hits WTC=Firefighters/Police React Flight crew= at rest Passengers= at rest Plane is hijacked and they know there have been others hijacked that day= Passengers and Flight crew react. Its the same thing, they both reacted to a situation thats what first responders do. |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:13pm
Exactly what I was gonna say, but you made it clearer. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:16pm
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I might rent it, probably won't see it in theatres.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:29pm
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I dont have to explain my opinion.. because in my eyes, they simply aren't heros.
Them doing what they did is as much selfish as it was selfless.. unlike first responders. The passengers couldn't just leave the plane after the hijack.. and that's what you can't seem to see. They had to do SOMETHING. If a home is on fire, sure, FF are expected to go in, but they wont die if they choose not to. Disagree with me, I dont care.. it's my opinion and that is exactly what Clark asked for. -------------
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Posted By: soonerdude05
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:30pm
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I'll probably go see it, especially since the movie theater here only costs $3.25, so not much wasted if the movie turns out to suck.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:33pm
Jesus Christ is a Black Alien with 12 eyes and 83 arms. |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:35pm
Ok, so, how are the firefighters heros on 9/11? ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:37pm
They're not heros either then, just doing their job. |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:38pm
Yup.. I did. Go back and read it. They CHOOSE to go into danger when they dont have to, as opposed to the passengers who were just thrown into it. Really not that hard of a concept to understand...but to each man his own. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:40pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:41pm
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The people on flight 93 are called heros because they chose to stop the terrorists from killing more people by flying into another building. You think the people on that flight did it to save themselves? They were gonna die either way and they knew it. They could've sat back and did nothing, too. ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:41pm
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No, I'm not.
I never siad you couldn't be a hero if you were being paid for it.. not ONE single time, thank you very much. FF choose to go into danger.. they know that there is a chance they will die. The passenger, true, they knew thye might die, but to say it was a 100% selfless act would be stupid. "Oh but Linus.. FF get paid, so it's not 100% selfless either!" Never said it wasn't... simply said they choose to be in a dangerous situation... the passengers didn't. I sound like a broken record.. repeating the same EXACT point over and over becuase you guys simpl can't accept the fact that, OH NO, someone might have a different opinion on this than you! I'm out.... tired of wasting my time on something so trvial.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:43pm
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ok then the unarmed passengers CHOOSING to go into DANGER, in their case it is in the form of disgruntled extremists wielding boxcutters and otehr knife like weapons, ARE HEROS by YOUR definition.
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 5:44pm
It WASN'T selfless act! They could've easily sat there in their seats waiting to die...they didn't do it to save themselves, even if they killed the terrorists they wouldn't know how to control the plane. They were only stopping them form killing more people. and yes, you DO sound like a broken record ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 6:09pm
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Wow. Can you say OWNAGE?!!?!?! ------------- 
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 9:02pm
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Linus says they didnt know that the hijackers were gonna fly into a building, and were jsut trying to save themselves, which is not heroic in his eyes. (just for anyone that doesnt get that) ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 9:11pm
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Can someone explain what Linus is trying to say? I just cant grasp it.
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 10:15pm
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 10:41pm
Dave, you're supposed to use sarcasm in this situation. What you said only supports his claim. But really. Linus is trying to say that the passengers were not heros because they had to prevent their own deaths with no other way out instead of getting to choose whether they can risk their lives or not to save OTHER people. From what it sounds like. It seems he is saying that the FD and PD were heros because they were selfless, and that the passengers were not because they were selfish. And of course, to be a hero, you must think of other people. ------------- 
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 10:45pm
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Linus is right. There was no spoone. -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:17pm
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How does crashing a plane into an empty field = saving ones life?
If they PD and FD dont run into burning building/ chase after crook they = fired and no paycheck. How does that = selflessness? They didnt know the building was going to fall down. All they knew was that some mid-upper floors were on fire. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:22pm
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To all those who don't think the people on flight 93 were heros, put yourself in their situation. You try and stop the terrorists becuase you don't want them to kill you, or the other people on the plane. I don't care if they knew the terrorists were going to fly into George bush's Coke dealer's house, they stopped that. They didn't just sit back and let the terrorists follow through with their plans like the other flights did. They took action and possibly saved hundreads of lives. Those people deserve the title of hero. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:24pm
Unless I completely missread that, heres a deffiniation of selfless for you : Having, exhibiting, or motivated by no concern for oneself; unselfish So, yeah, its pretty much the deffinition of selfless. BTW, odd thought of mine on selflessness, you really cant say a lot of hero's were selfless because by giving them fame and recognition that sort of takes away the whole nothing in return part, just a crazy thought. And according to an article I read on the flight one of the passangers was a pilot and would have been able to fly the plane, but if they got much closer to the capital they would have been shot down. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:26pm
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Heck even if the passengers only were trying to save themselves, the terrorists didnt win.
Hades did but the terrorists didnt. GW Bush, Micheal Moore, and Rush Limbaugh think they are heros. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:28pm
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Unless the passenger was a commercial airline pilot, I highly doubt he/she would have been able to land the plane.
Flying/landing a small winged plane, fighter plane, commercial airliner are much different. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:34pm
If memory serves me right the individual was able to fly the airliner, I dont know his qualifications but they made a point of saying he would have been fully capible of landing it. In my opinion the people aboard the flight are heros, I have a great deal of respect for them. I dont know if I will see the film, I live in an area of such unbeleivable pacifists to the point where they ignore common sense and reason that I expect to see protests or scuffles at the theatres (ironic, yes). EDIT : Off topic, but as I watch the trial of the lone would-be hijacker I cant help but think we're doing this the wrong way. Stop televising the trial, stop showing his face or saying his name, give him life in prison in a large but not famous prison under a different alias and treat him as a random prisoner. All this publicity just gives him what he wants and makes him a martyr (sp?). ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:36pm
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:44pm
| Osama doesnt exist. It is really God in a disguise... |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:46pm
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I knew it. -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 6:08am
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I think Linus is right. I mean, its not like they defeated any
terrorist, or prevented them from crashing into any more buildings,
killing potentially hundreds of people. Selfish bastard just wanted a movie to be made about them. ------------- 
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 11:30am
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Courtesy of IMDB: "Plot Summary for
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Posted By: Stoz
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 3:00pm
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This is better than any crappy hollywood movie could ever be. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801 &q=loose+change -------------  |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 3:08pm
Seriously, why link to that crap? -------------
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Posted By: Stoz
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 3:17pm
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It's not a link. If you click it, nothing happens. Also, it's actually a really well done video. Not that you watched it. ------------- |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 3:28pm
#1--This was discussed almost exactly a month ago.... http://tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=152182&KW=Linus - Here's a link for ya #2-- Loose change no longer http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html - loose #3--If you would actually do some research yourself.. you would find some things wrong with that video. Example--
Wow.. they did a groundstop by going back in time!!! -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 4:38pm
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I like the loose change video. It's entertaining. The Osama part is great. -------------
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Posted By: Stoz
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 5:02pm
So you're saying that this video isn't credible because of this mundane detail that really isn't important to the overall message in any way whatsoever? ------------- |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 5:08pm
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I mean, sure they can get a "conspiracy" that has absolutly no leaks and no evidence or paper trail... but can't get a simple thing about planes flying? Hmm....
If they get something so simple wrong.. what else could they have screwed up? (Besides the whole thing of course...) -------------
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Posted By: Stoz
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 5:21pm
That is a pretty weak counterpoint. EDIT: Your avatar owns, though. ------------- |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 5:24pm
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And yet... and yet... you have yet to come up with any proof to the contrary...
EDIT: Thanks -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 5:48pm
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Remember the good old days when Linus was impossible to prove wrong. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 5:52pm
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Dont try to either, he goes to a better school than you to. Normal classes are like AP classes. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 25 April 2006 at 6:58pm
Hahahahaahaha. -------------
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Posted By: Agent_Orange33
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 6:25pm
ill prob go see it  ------------- Front man 4 life 
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