Need a gun that can keep up
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Topic: Need a gun that can keep up
Posted By: Prink
Subject: Need a gun that can keep up
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 1:39pm
| I am going to start paintballing with a group of people on a regular basis. I have never owned a gun but i am not a stranger to using one. These guys get pretty serious and all pretty much have fully modded a-5 or custom 98. My roomate has a 98 with e-bolt, flatline barrell, polished insides, halo hopper and i am unsure of what else but i know he has some money into it. People are scared to get hit by it because it shoots so hard, and it shoots farther tahan the rest too. I want to make sure i have a better gun. I would ask him for help but i dont want him knowing what is done to the gun. Money is not a huge concern, but i dont want to get stupid. We mostly play in the woods, and they play all day long so i need something reliable, i think thats why they all went with tippmann. |
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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 3:12pm
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http://www.palmer-pusuit.com - Palmer Pursuit Shop They don't come much more reliabe than from this company, and their guns are very air efficient, I am getting over 800 shots off of my 12 oz CO2 tank. You may want to look at the Blazer, it is wicked fast and super light, plus Palmer brass barrels I feel are the most accurate out there. I have a Typoon and one of their pumps called a Paladin here is a pic:
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My typhoon has my 16 oz on it in this pic, I get about 1300 shots with this tank. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 3:15pm
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For what you want, I think a Palmer Blazer with a .45 frame and blade trigger would give you all the performance you could ask for https://palmer-pursuit.com/ecom/product_info.php/cPath/25/products_id/32?osCsid=bc2efb97e0ccb41a3f293fd9dee550a0 - Blazer ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 3:36pm
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I think your best investment would be a chrono. |
Prink wrote:Posted By: iceman1186
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 4:10pm
I second that ------------- 
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Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:19pm
yeah. I'd go for an a-5 and up it a bit if the palmer stuff is too much. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Polished Internals E-Grip Ape Board JCS Blade Trigger QEV 8" Bigshot + Apex Ricochet R-5 / Tac Cap Palmers Stabilizer 68/4500 Crossfire |
Posted By: iceman1186
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:38pm
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Yeah, the Palmer is a bit pricey for a person just getting into the game. I say go with a A-5. -------------
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Posted By: Prink
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:41pm
| Yeah the palmers are a little too pricey for what i had in mind. I am just unsure of the different setups on the guns. Give me the best setup for an a5. I have seen alot about the WAS Board w/ Egrip. Is the egrip better or the Response trigger? I want a fast powerful gun that will shoot far. Also which are the good scopes? I would do a search but it is not working for me. |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:47pm
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Well just a suggestion, keep them in mind if you ever want something with a little more extra goodness put into them. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: Prink
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:49pm
| I will, thanks for your suggestion, i appreciate it. |
Posted By: Prink
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:51pm
| I didnt see the blazer in the link until now. That is not that bad in price. How is their performance compared to a tippmann fully upgraded? I am talking distance speed accuracy. And how much stuff is available for upgrading them. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 12:25am
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I'll repeat this: buy a chrono. If your buddy's gun shoots "hard" it is because he is shooting hot. You need to check your velocity before playing, at least somewhat, for safety reasons. When set to the same velocity, ALL guns shoot the same distance, unless they have a Flatline or Apex barrel. Palmer products are very nice, but I would not recommend them for you. They require a bit more paintball experience, IMO. I would recommend an A-5 with RT or E-Grip, or maybe an Ion. Fairly basic, but will work well and shoot fast. If you want distance get a Flatline or Apex. But first buy a chrono. |
Posted By: iceman1186
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 10:14am
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^^ Seriously. Hand held chronos are only around $80. Its better to spend $80 for a chrono then losing everything you own(and your parents if you are under 18) becasue someone gets hurt and they sue you. I know your saying "my friends would never sue me". Not true, when it comes to stuff like that, your friends aren't your friends. So take our advice, spend $80 and get a chrono, or risk losing everything you and/or your parents have. -------------
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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 3:37pm
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Find a used DM4 for around $350-400 and wreck them! LOL! Oh, but a chrono is a good idea too... ------------- "Thats right, I play pump... your girlfriend borrowed my last set of batteries." "How many times a second are you going to miss me before I shoot you?" Dave Ellis Rocks!!! |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 4:24pm
Well they already come with the best pneumatics in the industry, this is not just opinion, but fact. Craig Palmer has proven mechanically that the Blazer can shot 20 bps in it's mech form, with the room to go faster, the electro version rips like nothing else. They are only limited to the users own ability. As for efficiency 80 shots per oz of CO2 and 13 shots per cubic inch with HPA on a 3000 psi fill. They are closed bolt (and I don't care what anyone says, I own tippmanns, Palmer guns, and cockers, and nothing shoots like a closed bolt gun) the trajectory is much flatter than a blowback, the Palmer brass barrels are extremely accurate. The one I sent you the link to comes without spiral porting, but you can request one with spiral porting or you can just buy a second barrel from them with porting, in the length and finish that you want. Their barrels come with wedgits in themm so balls will never roll out of the barrel like with a cocker. The bolt has a quick strip pin that allows you to pull the bolt out of the gun in just a second. Basically like a tippmann you only need to clean and oil the gun after play, that is the extent of their maintenance needs. The center feed comes with grip screws to hold your hopper firmly in place. They are feather light, it barely weighs 2lbs. You can run CO2 or HPA on them equally well. The Palmer Stabilizer is the indusrty leading regulator, mine keeps my welocity within +/- 2FPS....that is after the intial break in period, the break in usually takes about a case of paint to break the gun and reg in. I personaaly feel they have the best customer service in the industry. Compared to an A5, I would take the Blazer any day. The A5 is nice with the built in cyclone hopper, my cousin has one, and I have used it quite a bit and I really like it, for the price you can't beat the reliability and performance of the A5. If you think you are going to stick with the sport and want something will always deliver the accuracy, speed, and performance you want, without having to put more into upgrades, then by all means go for a blazer. If you find you want another barrel besides the Palmer brass, Palmers offers other barrels ready to use on the blazer, if they don't have it, then you can send them the barrel you want and turn it so it fits the blazer. If you have more questions please visit us on the POG here is the link http://paintmagazine.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=10&sid=b505b1488ac12a5f60ce3436d36bb091 - Palmers Owners Group Feel free to ask all you want to about the Blazer there, browse our pic threads, Glenn Palmer and Craig Palmer also post and answer questions there daily. My name there and most other places is dstud2000. I encourage you though, if you have any interest in the Blazer sign up on the POG and there are more people with greater knowledge there that can answer your questions more precisely and thoroughly than I can. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 4:29pm
I'll have to disagree with this, if you read the instructions that come with a Palmer gun, they are very easy to use. Palmer provides very specific and detailed instructions with their equipment. I have had rookies pick up both of my guns and had no problem playing with either of them. It's pretty simple, pull the trigger all the way back and let it go all the way forward again. Palmer triggers are short and smooth, very easy to master in with 20 minutes of practicing in your back yard  ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 4:54pm
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I like Palmer guns a lot, but I'll stand by my view that a complete rookie shouldn't buy one, any more than a complete rookie should buy an autococker, or perhaps even more so. Your average complete rookie 14-year-old (like our poster here) who is worried about guns shooting "hard", will not read the manual, will short-stroke, will freak out about it, will not do meaningful maintenance, and will be completely unable to figure out anything if something goes wrong. And since Palmer guns are relatively rare, many pro-shops will be unable to help if there is a problem. Tippmann guns avoid most of those problems, which is why they are such great beginner guns. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 April 2006 at 8:41pm
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http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=17hzs5DNiLtzy9SfYmazG5oZKFXqYJATOKo=?ProductID=n1bAqArbQfgAAAEFpTfBwitO - well, if money aint a problem ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 29 April 2006 at 12:42am
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This guy doesn't sound like a 14 yr old...I didn't have a roommate till I was in college. How many 14 yr olds do you know have roommates besides their own siblings? Well everyone has their own opinion. In the 7 yrs I have had my Phoon I have never had to return it to PPS for work. So if the fella is up to giving a Blazer a try don't discourage. If he wants an A5, a 98 or a procarbine, don't discourage him with those either. My cousin who started playing at the age of 11 learned the Palmer trigger in 20 minutes, he is 15 and bought an A5 and loves it, but he can pick up my phoon and use it with no problems, I have lent the phoon to him before when he let a friend borrow his gun, he had a blast using the phoon. Prink asked for a gun that can keep up, I suggested the Blazer, because it can and always will deliver the expected performance he seems to be looking for. Now if we want to go about other guns, I have owned and used many guns, we'll start with the A5, it is a tank, a real work horse that has good performance and good upgradability for the price, but by the time you finish upgrading the gun where you want it you could have easily paid for the Blazer. The A5 has durability and reliability, but it is not the most air efficient gun in the field. Ion, for an electro at the price it is, it is not a bad deal. If you leave it alone and don't mess with the internals it should operate just fine, but I have a problem with the wiring and soldering that SP used on this gun (if you are a beginner or have no experience with electronics I would not suggest any repairs or maintenance by yourself), as for upgradeability, there are many options, decent air efficiency, and again by the time you sink all the money you put into upgrades in this gun, you could have bought the Blazer with money to spare. 98 Custom great gun, but the clam shell design can be a pain to take apart and clean sometimes, especially in a hurry. I sunk nearly 600 dollars into my 98 (ebolt, low pressure kit, flatline, J&J Edge kit, Many other barrels, and a bunch of milsim parts) and still it is no where at the same level of performance as the Typhoon. DM4, decent gun, they are decently quiet, have good accuracy, pretty good air efficiency, don't really need to ugrade it any unless you just want to, and Dye is a pretty good company customer serrvice wise.
And like everyone else said, invest in a chrono, it is worth the money, $80 for a chrono is better than the expense of losing an eye. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: Prink
Date Posted: 01 May 2006 at 7:41pm
| I have not been 14 for 12 years now. Just because you dont have experience in something doesnt mean you are young. This is just something new to me, i thought i would ask opinoins from people that play alot before i go and shell out a bunch of money on crap. An for your information i take very good care of my things so the maintenance on the gun will be taken care of. And if i can build car, motorcycle, and marine engines i think i could handle fixing a paintball gun. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 01 May 2006 at 8:07pm
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Clark meant no offense. She just assumes most of the "what should i get for my first gun" threads are about juvenile newbs, and mostly this is true. However, since you appear to have some technical experience under your belt, I will suggest an autococker or a Palmer's. If you want, you can even get an Airgun Designs Minimag. Autocockers are very complex for beginners, but if you take care of it and maintain it properly, its one of the best paintball guns out there for the price. A good new one is about $250-$300. A mag is one of the first semi-autos on the market, and i have been in long desire of a mag. they are very simple guns that can run of co2 or compressed air (like the autococker) but unlike the 'cocker, the mag prefers the compressed air. those are my suggestions. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 01 May 2006 at 10:33pm
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As I have stated so much, I am a Palmer advocate. The Blazer is everything a cocker wants to be when it grows up. It is omni gas friendly and will operate equally well with other gas. Please I hope nothing I said offended you. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 3:46pm
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Mobius do you have a job with palmers or something? ------------- 
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 7:22pm
No, I am not affiliated with their company at all. After owning 3 guns of theirs I am just a fanatic. I am part of the Palmers Owners Group. I just have found a company that has excellent equipment and the best customer service in the business. I have the number on speed dial  ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 8:05pm
Indeedy. My apologies for any inadvertent insult. |
Posted By: Simma Down!!
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 8:53pm
Honestly I want to know where Glenn went with all his secret papers he had locked away with post marks and all showing he invented the cocker first...... Was just thinking about that the other day...... |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 May 2006 at 11:04pm
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i met glen. he was at a local scenario, selling his wares, and i started talking. great guy. got to mess around with a $2000 e-blazer. good times. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 4:50pm
He has them locked away in his archives. It was not the cocker he invented first, it was the first gravity fed semi that he invented, his gun Camille. He is the one that developed the automated cocking system and integrated into one of his pumps to make it a semi. From what I understqand he showed Budd Orr how the automated cocking system worked at an event he had one of his Nasty Typhoons at. For those of you that don't know, the Nasty Typhoon is a double barrel Typhoon, they come in 2 variations,the most popular is side by side barrels, and the other is over and under barrels. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 4:56pm
Like I said I am not affiliated with Palmers. I just have been in the sport long enough to remember some of these things. If you want to read up more or ask any questions I urge you to sign up on http://www.paintmagazine.com - Paint Magazine go to the POG section (Palmers Owners Group) and search and read threads there and post any questions you may have about the POG, PPS, Glenn, or Craig that you might have. There are many POGers there that have been in the sport since it's beginnings and can provide you with much better info than I can. GLenn and Craig post on the POG pretty much on a daily basis. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |
Posted By: Simma Down!!
Date Posted: 03 May 2006 at 5:35pm
Yea Ive heard the same. Palmer also basically showed Orr how to make a hinge trigger work with the cocker. Yea everytime someone brings his papers up he says there locked away. Honestly I think hes full of it when it comes to that. |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 May 2006 at 3:41pm
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if there locked away, why not show them and prove it -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 04 May 2006 at 10:58pm
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He has, in fact he has many of his first guns looked in his archives too. Such as P1 the first Typhoon, which was stolen has recently been recovered, reconditioned, and lock in his archives. The reason, Palmers does not get them out is that unlike companies, like and K2/Worr, he feels the sport cannot grow if people cannot use the technology out there to advance the game. This is what he has explained many times on the POG, I have met him at the MI Monster Game myself, there are many people on the POG who have been involved with paintball long enough to back his claims. ------------- "Here are beauties which pierce like swords or burn like cold iron." -C.S. Lewis |