Securing the border.
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Topic: Securing the border.
Posted By: .Ryan
Subject: Securing the border.
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 2:24pm
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So Bush is gonna send some National Guard down to help stop some of the illegals from crossing. He talked about technology use and what not but I don't know, didn't seem very solid to me. So, my question to you: How would you secure this nation's southern border? I personally would set up a number of guard/lookout stations. About every 8 miles or so with some light baracades in between and constant drone overflights and motion sensors and what not. I'd beef up the patrols to around 3 or 4 thousand with some good force multipliers and equip all troops/patrols with some less-than-lethal gear to deal with the non-heavily-armed drug smugglers, thinkin' tasers and pepperball guns. Have the regular patrols constantly running and have a fast reaction force with choppers or dune buggies and atvs, or all of the above to intercept the crossers that the drones and sensors miss. I'd also catalog those captured via finger prints and have like a three strike rule, at the end of which, they get jail time. I think if you could keep it up and do it well, it could work. Plus, it wouldn't be all that inhumane. In the background you could have a path-to-citizenship program that doesn't turn immagrints into endentured servents and a crack down on those employers that insiste(sp) on exploiting workers and giving them zero benefits and poor pay. It would take time, but I think it could resolve the problem. It'd be easier if we so streched out right now, but yeah. You? ps The northern border is pretty scary too, but all that would take is proper funding and implementation of the usual border laws. Not understating the problem up there, but it would be a much easier fix. Ports are pretty simple too, if they'd just do it. -------------  |
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 2:30pm
| i say we build a "great wall of 'merica" |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 2:33pm
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If I was gonna try and keep immigrants from crossing illegally, this is what I would do:
I don't know how long the border is, so someone will have to back me up with that info. Either way, I would basically have a bunch of snipers with .50BMG's, posted in 2's, back to back along the border. I figure with the range of the .50cal, they could probably be spread a couple miles apart. I should be president.  ------------- "People who see the future earlier than others are always feared and misunderstood." - Jose Canseco |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 2:35pm
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Dig a huge ditch. Fill it with fire. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 2:42pm
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Reb Cpl wrote:Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:13pm
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We're talking a large-scale area here.
Your plan sounds nice... but would be ineffective given the large area involved. I don't really have an effective answer, so instead I'll pick apart yours.  . No offense... just my bits.
A guard tower every 8mi is a tall order to fill (244). Constant drone overflights are burdensome, and while there are some UAVs in service, they cannot keep watch over the entire border constantly. Three to four thousand total border agents is less than what we have now, and it's not nearly enough. Especially if implementing the 8mi tower bit. The border patrol today has 11,000 people... and it's still stretched miserably thin. Less than lethal is pointless. Most border crossers are unarmed and non-violent. Those who are armed should be met with armed force. Regular patrols are constantly running. They already deploy helicopters, ATVs and 4x4s. Three strike rule is pointless as putting them in jail is still a costly measure. What jail do you put them in? And for how long? Honestly, what jail in America is even large enough to handle such an amount of people? ----------------------------------------------------- Fact is, I don't think we'll ever STOP the influx. The best we can hope for is to slow it down, and create enough of a disincentive to dissuade a few. You won't dissuade them all... but to dissuade a few is still a "victory". While not entirely effective, and initially costly... a simple fence would be the first step. Will people find a way around them? Sure. But at least you're making them work for it, and not simply handing them the free entry card. Vast increase in manpower. Border Patrol has equipment, they have skilled agents, they have some of the latest technology. But it's not enough. I support use of National Guard troops as a stopgap measure until more Agents are employed. And that's about all you can do. Fence. And an increase in manpower with a parallel increase in equipment. After that, it's out of our hands. More pressure should be applied on the Mexican Government to help out on their end, but it's not in their best interest, so they won't. Firey ditch sounds great. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:15pm
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:19pm
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I'm with freak. Great Wall of 'merica!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:19pm
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ZOMG NUKE MEXICO FTW ------------- 
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:21pm
| Dig a moat, fill it with caniverous sharks with laser beams, profit. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:39pm
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Ok Shorty, adjust the numbers then, lol. The pepperballs were more of a deterant than anything else too. I also disagree with your assertion that closing the boarders is impossible. Otherwise, I liked Colbert last night, "a fire-filled moat as with fireproof crocks"! Or something like that. ps What about an altamatum on Mexico, stop encouraging and help us stop illegal immagration or we impose sanctions. Plus, we could add the carrot of financial help with creating jobs if they help us....The fact that we're a giant cop-out for them needs to be handled in some way or another. ------------- |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:47pm
 There we go. |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 3:49pm
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have bottle necks and invite people to them...then fill cargoplanes with people and drop them in africa... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 4:06pm
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Sammy, no autoturrets or landmines?
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 4:26pm
Oh, it CAN be done. But at what cost and with how much effort? The idea is to close the border without "militarizing" it. Give it an endless budget, slap in minefields and recreate the 38th Parallel of Korea... one step closer to a closed border. And even with THAT, some will make it across. Anything short of that, is nothing more than a simple hurdle.
Because then we'd be "meanies". And we're not allowed to be a "meanie". We're supposed to be nice, and fair, and humane, and understanding, and every other 'nicey' thing you can think of. Sanctions on our "poor" neighbor wouldn't be looked upon too favorably, and would never gain much support from anyone. Mexico doesn't need any more carrots. And they wouldn't be in such bad shape if it weren't for rampant graft and corruption. Monetary or other aid would simply further line the pockets of the corrupt, and do nothing to stop the poor from trying to make their way across. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 4:41pm
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shock troopers ------------- 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 4:45pm
TFC style, oh yeah. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 4:45pm
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I want to play some TFC....now.... -------------
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 4:55pm
Beat me to it....darn. But a combination of that and an idea gotten from Comedy central would do the trick. A firepit with a switch, so people would think they were gonna make it, then *flip* BBQM0/\/k!3s ------------- Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 5:25pm
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Im good with reb's idea.
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 5:35pm
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I would put down some sunken colonies and spore colonies ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 6:16pm
That's overkill.  |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 7:54pm
I heard a funny story about you and religion. ------------- 
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:22pm
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My vote goes to the great wall of 'merica. I liked sammys too. ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:30pm
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Closing the borders is a nearly impossible task. Unless we had a unlimeted budget. ------------- 
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:32pm
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We pretty much do, its not like the deficit matters to bush anyway.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:58pm
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Posted By: ardyandkari
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 9:31pm
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i work with a number of people who are mexican or texican...one said that in order to get a work visa to enter the states, one has to pay around 10,000 dollars (approx 100,000 pesos). i think that she said that they get it back when they come back...thats a crapload of $$$...they want their people back...this money "assures" them of that. ------------- If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward. |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 9:59pm
30% of our prison system consists of illegal aliens. The cost to care for each one is about $65 a day. Over the course of 5 to 10 years the money spent on incarcerating these illegals would add up to enough to buy the Great Wall of China, ship it here piece by piece, and rebuild it along the Mexican Border. The money spent on medical care and education for illegals and their children would be enough to extend that wall around the entire world. There are countries in the world with much larger borders than our southern border, and they have no problem keeping those borders reasonably secure. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:27pm
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Make Paris Hilton patrol the border. STD's for miles and miles. ------------- 
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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:37pm
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:45pm
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moat+gators+pirahnas+barbedwire fence in middle of moat+more barbed wire on shore+mines+snipers+wall (with barbed wire of course)+crazy texans on the other side of that wall=impenetrable force ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:50pm
No see, it's all a brilliant strategy. They rack up a 8 trillion dollar debt and cut taxes while they're doing so. When they finally muck up back enough to lose power and the Dems take over, they're stuck the the mondo-debt and the low taxes. When they raise taxes to pay it off, the Reps screme "tax and spend liberals!!1!". And it'll work too, because people aren't smart enough to think back a few years and connect dots. I wish the Dems would learn some of their tricks sometime....I'm not wishing them to the dark side, but they need to get a little gray to get things done. ------------- |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:53pm
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:56pm
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Tesla coils, lots and lots of tesla coils.
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Posted By: ardyandkari
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 11:32pm
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so, will there be a "Theme Park at The WOA"??? get it, get it???
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:12am
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anyone else think this was the funniest part of fun with **edited** and jane? oh and i liked that diagram back there it would be costly at first but would actually require less people to patroll only to monitor sensors. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Simma Down!!
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:27pm
| boarders as in sakteboarders or borders as in mexicans. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:34pm
If that is true, then how about instead of shipping the great wall of china here, we ship all illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, and potential illegal immigrants to africa, where it only costs pennies a day to support someone? Fool proof plan. -------------
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:43pm
My bad. ------------- |
Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 2:59pm
| war on mexico |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 3:11pm
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Well, the senate just voted to put up 370 more miles of triple alyered fences...
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 3:32pm
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Yay? Now they can just tunnel under them. -------------
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 3:58pm
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We'll just seed the ground with ravenous prairie dog colonies then....that's easy enough...
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Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 4:10pm
yes the pubic hair will protect us ------------- 
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Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 4:59pm
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lol national guard
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 5:00pm
Why LOL? They know their job. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 5:41pm
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Put a woodland camoflauged scarecrow every ten feet along the border ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 6:01pm
Not to mention they're actually doing the job they were meant to do. The National Guard guarding this nation! Whoda thunk it? ------------- |
Posted By: raflexjrsr
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 7:56pm
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Jus give them back the 50% of Mexco that was stolen.
Face it, California and Texas are already Mexico. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 8:01pm
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LOL. Remove every legally owned piece of property and infrastructure; strip 'em bare, then give them back.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 8:54pm
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wait why was my post edited for saying "fun with di.ck and jane" its a freggin movie ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Apotheosis
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:08pm
Because it autofilters the D work. Chuck Norris could stop the immigrants. |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:53pm
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 9:57pm
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 10:55pm
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Actually, if you think about it, we could solve this problem with war. We could just invade and annex Mexico and the other Central American countries that the immagrints are comming from. Then they'd just be moving from state to state! Hey, why stop there? We could just take over the world! Then, we'd just have interstate relations and civil unrest, instead of the international crap we have to deal with today! Much simpler...
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Posted By: Apotheosis
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 10:59pm
| Or we put half our armed forces on the boarder and say if you don't stop your people from coming in we will take action. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 3:53pm
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How about we place a line of speaker systems on the other side of the Rio Grande and have people speaking in French... the illegals will think they went too far and went straight into Canada. They should turn around and go back. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 3:56pm
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 3:59pm
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Put a sign that says "America Ran Out Of Beer." -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 6:36pm
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For those who do not remmember, a little wall ran the length of the border between the Federal Republic of Germany, and the German Democratic Republic for almost 27years, and it could not totally stop the flow from East Germany to the west. One of the most militarized borders the world has ever seen, be it to keep East Germans in, rather than West Germans out, it still was readily penatrated with some motivation.
Having stood there in Berlin, and overwatching the border at Fulda, no wall will stop a dedicated individual wanting to pass, the minefields, guard dogs, towers, machineguns (with shoot to kill orders), roving armed patrols, could not stop the East Germans, or other Eastern Europeans from crossing. So our little "fence" will only slow the flood a tad, will never stop it. ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 6:43pm
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So what do you propose?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 6:58pm
| The idea of a fence is childish. It's almost as if the administration doesn't do their homework before they come up with ideas. But then again, I've found C students to rarely do any researching in the first place. |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:10pm
 http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/fence.html - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/fence.html |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:10pm
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ENFORCE THE IMMAGRATION LAWS CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS
Add that if caught crossing or already here, and documented as ILLEGAL, no legal immagration status will EVER be offered or made available to the offender or immediate family. Stop the insanity of "poppin an american", no more by birth citizenship if one or both parents are not legally documented. Stop the benifits to non-documented illegals, no welfare, no medical, no job, no housing, etc Massive fines and possible JAIL time for Americans who knowing hire, employ, or house a non-documented ILLEGAL. A National ID Card, and before you go nuts, you already have two, your SSAN goes on anything that needs personal ID, confirming? who you are. And a state issued drivers license, again a personal ID, confirming? who you are. Now just a digitalized SSAN/Citizenship Card, with picture, and legal birthdate, or legal naturalization date, and or status in immagration system. And economic sanctions on Mexico for "officially" aiding in this flow. -------------
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Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:13pm
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i say pillboxes and mines. and some of those .50 snipers. (no not paintball snipers but those in the army) but that diagram on the first page wasnt bad. ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:15pm
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I don't know, that seems a bit extreme to me. Deny them healthcare? So what, let them bleed out on the street? Or die of the flu? Same with the other aid. I mean, they don't put in, so they don't really diserve it, but they are human beings, and most of them are just trying to provide for their families and improve their lives, just like we would if we were them. Treating them like vermin is just a little too inhumane for my tastes....
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:29pm
Where does it stop? When everybody is equal, care quality/food rashions/etc lessen. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:56pm
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Lets see, you are a tourist in Mexico, you get hurt or sick, Mexican Law requires payment before treatment. And the Doctor will watch you bleed out if the credit card authorization or check hasn't cleared yet.
If they were not here illegally to get sick, or bleed out, not an issue, as it is now it is an incentive to get sick or hurt here in america as compared to home. Drag momma over the border and let americans pay for her healthcare, instead of us having to here at home. Ever had a car accident in South Texas, or anywhere in that area. Had a van hit my truck, hard....big time damage to the van, driver, who was hispanic, "No habla englese" pigened english, "no insurance, no policia, por favor" as he gathered the crew and scooted down the street leaving van in middle of street. They have NO INCENTIVE to follow our laws and obey simple rules of our society, so why should they benifit from our society. Come here legal, by the rules, pay our taxes, welcome to America, get sick, and we will gladly help, need a job, you are welcome to one, need a home, you are welcome to one, BUT you must follow a few simple rules as established by the laws of our land before you are "entitled" to the benifits of our land. And you are now an AMERICAN....if you want to be MEXICAN just turn around and head back south, and try that flag waving crap in front of the Federales, and see how forgiving they are. -------------
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 8:31pm
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An unfortunate problem, but where do you stop? You can't take on the problems of another country. The fact is the way of life is better here, but the fact that you were born in another country is your own problem, not America's. While most of you will say that's an inhumane, evil way to feel it's true. I'm as humanitarian as the next guy-but we can't start bringing everyone in the world into our country just because their living conditions are bad. Life doesn't work that way. And no, you can't let them die in the streets. But treat them and send them home. I understand what you're saying, and I agree, but it's getting ridiculous. What alot of illegals don't understand is that they have no rights here. They aren't citizens, they're not entitled to the protection of constitutional rights, because they don't have any. We as a civilized nation owe everyone around us humanitarian aid of some sort-be it medical supplies, education, whatever. But it's not our responsibilty to take them in. As for fixing the border problem, it's not going to happen. Until you start using deadly force and killing them as they come across, you won't stop it. Which only leaves one option-a giant screen playing Pauly Shore movies 24/7. ------------- 
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Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 8:41pm
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we'll give them jobs and they just send the money back to mexico instead of our economy. ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 9:34pm
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Posted By: Apotheosis
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 11:45pm
Would make a more effective sign. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 12:50pm
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We are not out of jobs. We are out of employers that respect their employees. If employees would pay fair wadges for those "jobs that Americans wont do" they would be filled easily by those of us that are already here. 'Course, that would drive up prices, but all the wage hike would make up for it. Anyway, OS, you mention docs in Mexico will let you bleed out if you credit card is maxed. Is that what you want this country to be like? Is that an aspiration now days? Just because they're not nice, that doesn't give us an excuse to be like them. I know we can't just let everybody in to take advantage of our system, and I'm not proposing that. I'm just saying that we can't be monsters to these people just because they're not here legally. End their job market, secure the boarder, don't deny them basic human rights. 'Course, I'm of the line of though that there are basic human right, no matter of race or nationality, some here appearently aren't. Also, it's not like they're carrying grandma over the border for her chemo folks. That have no rights to long term care. Not sure that's right, but it seems to be a misconception that most have, right beside the fact that illegals are people. ------------- |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 7:13pm
Nonsense. The scattered few who DO brave a militarized fence will be utterly inconsequential in comparison to the half million who get across the border every year. That's well over a thousand a DAY. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 7:44pm
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ryan, i don't think that was his point to end the laws here that require medical facilities to treat you. i think it was more a matter of showing how we have over extended our resources to care for people who don't even belong here and that we're different from them. they do not offer the same courtesy. view it as an advanced culture, a more humane culture or a weakness. i don't care which way you look at it OS was right. we do seem to give people a free ride.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 11:48pm
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Yes, we do. And to do otherwise would be immoral. What's crazytoo is that the same people who are saying we should deny Mexicans medical treatment and education are the ones who say that we should spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lifes to provide "freedom" to the Iraqis. Whatever, I guess I can see where you're comming from, non-members don't get clubs treatment or whatever, but it's just that I think that people, just being people deserve certain things, especially when we have them to give. And don't say we don't, supposedly the economy is booming. I don't know, I'm not pulling for open borders and automatic citizenship for all and I do think we should try to cut the job market out from under the illegals by cracking down and enforcing the labor and immigration laws we have and maybe making a few new ones along with putting some extra facilities on the border to stem the flow, I'm just saying, while they're here, let's treat them as people. ------------- |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 20 May 2006 at 11:54pm
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yes, i agree with treating them as fellow human beings. and i agree with OS's statement that we should enforce the laws we already have in the book. i doubt we really need much more legislation, nor do we need a big wall/fence/obstacle. cracking down on employers alone would end a lot of it. and we're not asking someone to swear their life to us, to die for our country. just enter the country legally, apply to get work, it's not rocket science and we have plenty of groups that are willing to help or explain it.
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Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 3:13am
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i've gone back and forth a million times about a wall, i think it would help in some areas known for drug smugling and heavy foot traffic. think about it how long would it take to build a tunnel? quite some time. If it was a large one it would cost quite a bit of money to make, time and resorces, normal Mexicans wouldnt be digging tunnels (at this size), it would become a specialized business ran by cyotes and the cyotes would pass the bill to the mexicans, from what i understand is that it cost about $1000 for one immargant to get here using a cyote (im sorry if im spelling that wrong its 12 and i've been up since 5) that price will probley double, cutting down the number who will come because of cost. now there can only be a small number of diffrent tunnels, short ones that start right next to the fence and come out the other side (kinda like a dog digs to get out of a yard), longer ones that start a couple hundred yards away and go a couple hundred yards into America, and a 3rd which would be miles long, now of course the longer the tunnel the longer to build but probley get better success. just an observation of mine, let me know what you think, again i am sorry for my spelling, but it is a little late for me. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 8:29am
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Tunneling already happens. They found a massive one recently with something like three tons of smuggled pot in it.
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Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 10:30am
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im aware of that brihard, since im in Arizona we hear about it alot. what im saying is that i think it will stop guys/gals from smugling in drugs on trucks, or in backpacks. im sure there are smarter ways to find tunnels then im aware of. if you build a wall they have a limited amout of ways they can now enter this country, 1. tunnels 2. over the fence 3. using the gulf of mexico or california coast to just go around the wall using the ocean.
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Posted By: FeVeR
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 4:00pm
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I know, have every paintballer in America go to the border, get 5 cases of paint for each person and a scuba tank. Then light em up. lol
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 5:03pm
Go back into the hole you came from. -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 5:04pm
I second this motion. ------------- 
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 7:58pm
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As OS said, no new laws are necessary. At the moment it is illegal to cross the border without permission. It is illegal for an employer to hire someone who does not live in the US legally. Only 2 things need to be done. 1, secure the border. 2, enforce the penalties against employers who hire illegals. If those 2 things are done, the problem will solve itself. Mass deportations will not be necessary. Illegals come here for work, if there is no work for them to do, they will go home on their own. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 8:05pm
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They took my job.
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 8:11pm
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In late January 2006 a Hudspeth County Sheriff's deputy on patrol in West Texas came across 3 identical late model SUV's heading toward El Paso. When he began to follow the SUV's more closely, they turned off the main highway and ran for the border. The SUV's were chased toward the Rio Grande river, one was pulled over before getting to the river, one made it through the water and escaped into Mexico, the third became stuck in the water. The deputies were attempting to get to the SUV stuck in the water when soldiers from the Mexican Army showed up and set up a tripod mounted machine gun on the southern bank of the river. While the soldiers covered the SUV with the machine gun, the driver and passenger unloaded several hundred pounds of marijuana from it. After the drugs were removed, they doused the SUV with gasoline and burned it. The SUV that was pulled over was loaded with several hundred pounds of marijuana. The entire drama was captured by the dash cameras of the Sheriff's patrol cars, yet very little of the footage was played on national television. It seems that much of the national media is deaf to the problems that law enforcement deals with on the border, and the media doesn't seem to want the US public to know that the Mexican army is working with the drug smugglers. As a result of this incident, the Sheriffs of several border counties flew to Washington demanding that the federal government take action. The action has been slow in coming. The Democrats pander to the Mexican vote, the Republicans pander to big business, and the legal citizens of this country remain unheard. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 8:18pm
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link?
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 8:22pm
http://hsc.house.gov/files/TestimonyLegarreta.pdf Testimony for the house of representatives Committee on Homeland Security. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 10:20pm
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*Defends the Dems* Uh, there is no Mexican vote to pander to....if they vote, they are legal citizens... Anyway, that is crazy about the soldiers. It probably wasn't government sanctioned but still... ------------- |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 21 May 2006 at 10:57pm
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Wow, thatts really interesting brihard.
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