a5 = custom 98 + cyclone feed ???
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Topic: a5 = custom 98 + cyclone feed ???
Posted By: pieterjan
Subject: a5 = custom 98 + cyclone feed ???
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 3:52pm
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I was wondering iff a custom 98 with cyclone feed would be as good as an a5... please react ------------- so war es und so wird es immer sein... custom 98 black ACT 32degrees drop forward empire reloader 2 cp classic 1piece barrel 14inch preset bottle |
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 4:03pm
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I guess...as long as it was a newer 98c and could accept the Egrip. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 5:51pm
| It'd pretty much be the same... |
Posted By: Markle
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 9:21pm
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No the A-5 would still be better because the A-5 is more durable and it
shoots way faster,and harder, and it's far more accurate, and besides
it'd just be cheaper to buy the A-5 and the cyclone feed system. so no A-5 doesn't = 98custom+cyclone feed system.  |
Posted By: tippya5extreme
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 9:29pm
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i agree. the a5 is way better i think. plus with the a5 you can field strip it and replace parts way easier then the 98. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Markle wrote:Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:03pm
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Okay first off all how is the A-5 more accurate? Both guns function the same way. Let's take account of how the internals work inside both guns -- both have a sear that trips the hammer; the hammer fly's forward to hit the valve piston inside the powertube; this lets out the co2 or air (depending on what you use) and at the same time the co2 or air is being released from the valve the ball is pushed forward by the front bolt because the hammer is attached to a metal rod which attaches at to the front bolt and the front bolt and hammer move together. Therefore increased accuracy from internals = NO!! The only other thing that I think of right now that could increase accuracy is the barrel you have and the paint to bore match. You can get good paint and good barrels for both guns. Therefore is the A-5 more accurate = NO!! More durable?? Oh Please!!! Did you not realize that the grip for the A-5 is plastic as where the 98 Custom the whole gun is metal. A-5 is more durable = NO!! The A-5 shoots faster? ... Well let me think about that remark... the cyclone feed only feeds up to 15bps without mods -- the cyclone feed are exactly the same between the A-5 and the 98 custom EXACTLY THE SAME!! How is the A-5 Faster than a 98 with cyclone feed ... Well the answer is it isn't!! How does that A-5 shoot harder? Considering any paintball gun will only shoot harder because of the gun velocity being higher or having a harder rear spring (which will make velocity higher of course) and you can crank both of the guns velocity and both guns come with stock springs so how do you make any sense?? The answer is: YOU DON'T!! Plus the velocity should never be over 300 fps anyway on the A-5 or the 98 custom or any paintball gun!! Therefore does the A-5 shoot harder = NO!! Okay well maybe in your dreams! Okay wait there is a difference between the two guns ... the A-5 is big/bulky and heavier than the 98 custom. You can't upgrade the grips for the A-5 but you can for the 98 custom. I wouldn't call those things advantages.
As for field stripping well I'd say get a set of thumbscrews for the 98 custom for $2.50 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/tippmann-98-custom-thumbscrew-bolts-stock-replacement_W0QQitemZ160008187869QQihZ006QQcategoryZ47234QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - And then the 98 custom will be even quicker and easier field stripping than the A-5. To be honest I don't think performance wise or actually for any other reason at all that the A-5 would be better than the 98 Custom with a cyclone feed on it. I actually think the 98 custom with cyclone is slightly better than the A-5. But that is my opinion and don't want to start the A-5 vs. 98 Custom war, even though I might have already started one. Considering that people with A-5's are probably wanting to say something go ahead. Acctually now that I think about it - I do kind of want to start this "war" (acctually lets call this a conversation or discussion instead of calling it a war with the A-5 vs. the 98 Custom) even though most people on this site have A-5's someone please tell me reasons why the A-5 is better than the 98 Custom (oh and hopefully this time the reasons will make sense). Thanks And I hope my opinion helps clarify a bit for you pieterjan |
Posted By: tippya5extreme
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:22pm
lol. as you can tell, im a A5 user. and yes, im going to tell you some stuff. yes people say a 98 custom can get more bps then the A5...who would want that anyways? my gun is getting 22bps and thats plenty!. Field stripping is ment for the A5. not the 98. Feild stripping the A5 consists of 4 PUSH pins. If you bought those thum screws on ebay, you would have to unscrew 9 screws. (thats including every screw to take the halves apart.) with the A5 the internels slide out the back with removing 4 pins with a push of the finger. the 98 you cant do that. The A5 is way more engerneered. You can upgrade you grip to E in secounds with the removal of 2 pins and 3 screws. (you would have to take the halves appart on a 98 to do that-thats 9 screws) -same with the trigger. if you wanted to upgrade to double on the a5 it easy. To change something on the inside of a 98, you have to take everything off to get inside. with the a5 you dont. performance it a factor. with the A5 cyclone (that comes stock) will feed those balls no prob. you can get your cyclone going 20+ bps. A5's i think are alot better. ------------- http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:27pm
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Posted By: tippya5extreme
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:34pm
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that is so not true ^^^^^^ some it as far as the barrel goes...
can you tell me that you can clean out your INSIDE of your 98 custom faster then a A5? i dont think you can. ------------- http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 12:41am
| Dude, you still have to take your A-5 apart and clean it, sure it has 4 field strip pins but you still need to have an allen key to dissaemble the recievers... They're pretty much the same. Both durable, both same accuracy and distance when come stock. A-5 can look sharper and have better upgrades but both guns are pretty much equal. |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 4:55am
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Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 11:01am
True and plus I'm guessing he doesnt realize that when they say field strip they dont mean in the middle of a game. Because if your going to take your gun apart in the field you'll need to remove your tank... |
Posted By: tippya5extreme
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 11:15am
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 12:54pm
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I don't slean my internals, but you can do whatver you want to your internals. I do clean my internals though! You should do it once in a while it's good for the gun. Although it won't make the A-5 better than the 98 Custom with cyclone feed but it will keep the but it will keep the gun working great. |
Posted By: knukclez
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 1:29pm
ROFL @ STYRO That's great... Anyways, The 98 is basically the A-5 with the cyclone. But the A-5 you can take apart faster ( yes ) and also, the A-5's body is a tid bit smaller. Other then that I don't see a difference? ------------- Tippmann Custom Pro-E Polished Internals Custom Mill/Paint Job 16" Rifeled SP Barrel A-6 Stock QEV Cyclone Feed System Chroned at 18 Balls a Second |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 3:49pm
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pretty much... stock a-5 = 98 with cyclone. but when you get into upgrading, the a-5 has less bounce issues with the r/t due to the weight (tippmann did it on purpose). but obviously, this makes it heavier. but either way, they're both nice markers.. i think there is a sticky up somewhere that goes into detail on why the a-5 is better for some stuff than the 98c. it's mostly about upgrades though. personally, i wish i would have gone 98c, because it's lighter. it's also easier to squeegie... much easier. but you can't go wrong either way. ------------- X |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 4:22pm
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Goodness... Here are differences: The field strip as been mentioned - yes, there are ways to make it easier to disassemble a 98, but the bottom line is that you have to separate the receiver halves to get to any of the internals. With the A-5 field strip, all the important things can be accessed without separating anything, and without any random springs flying around. I have owned an A-5 for several years, and I have NEVER separated my receiver halves - I don't have to. I can do a full clean in ten minutes, including reassembly. Vertical adapter is built-in/included. Modular breach - the barrel threads come out. This allows for subsitute barrel threads; no more adapters. If you have a bunch of Spyder barrels you want to use, it will cost you $15 to put Spyder threads on your A-5. Trigger assembly - the trigger mechanism is basically the same on the two guns, but the A-5 trigger assembly is modular and removable. Tweaking your trigger is fast and easy, and does not require separating any receiver halves. The "straw mod" takes five minutes or less with an A-5 - handy if you work on your trigger a lot. Now - there are many reasons why one might prefer a 98 over an A-5 - E-Bolt, standard bottomline, different foregrip mount, aesthetics, etc. - but the value of the overall modularity engineered into the A-5 should not be underestimated. Fundamentally they are the same gun, but the A-5 has successfully been engineered to be more convenient to clean and tinker. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 6:26pm
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^right, but if you arn't going to upgrade anything, the a-5 and the 98 custom are pretty equal, correct? i'm not trying to counterpoint you... i just want to know. ------------- X |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 6:38pm
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I have never owned a 98, so my knowledge of that gun is strictly second-hand. BUT - the ease of cleaning is clearly significatly improved with the A-5. I clean my A-5 after every session, and I have never taken apart my receiver halves. If I break a ball during a game, I can quickly and easily, without tools or a "safe area", remove and clean the front bolt and powertube, and wipe down the breach. With a 98 the best you can realistically expect to do between games is clean your barrel. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: tippya5extreme
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 7:37pm
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i have owned a 98 custom. then i bought my a5. a5 is alot easier to clean and fo upgrades on. ------------- http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 17 July 2006 at 8:49pm
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I have owned both.
My 98 with centerfeed and RT was the best gun I have ever owned.<emphasize the period>. The A-5 is different for all of the above listed reasons. Better? Matter of preference. You can dump as much cash into either. So upgradeability is a matter of preference as well. With QEVs, Super RTs, Cyclones, Centerfeeds, Qloaders, APE boarded Egrips, and all that other crap out there....you can certainly make either a formidable marker. Matter of preference. I loved my old 98 though...it was a beast and it never (NEVER) failed me. ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 18 July 2006 at 9:14am
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The 98's flat line was so much better the the A-5 flat line. And now you can have a cyclone with a 98. Why would you want anything else!
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Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 18 July 2006 at 10:53am
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Geez, a lot of people whining about how their gun choice is better :P I maintain both a custom pro and an A-5. Let me put it like this. Performance on the field is 100% equal, (assuming they both had same upgrades, including cyclone). The A-5 wins in performance off the field. It is modular, easier to take apart, easier to clean, easier to upgrade. In general, the features the A-5 has that you would need to buy for the 98: vertical adaptor, barrel adaptor, cyclone. Features you would have to buy for the A-5: standard ASA block. The A-5 CAN use aftermarket grips also by the way, just not the standard .45 grips that the 98 uses. If you ask me, it's all preferance. The upsides to the A-5 are not for everyone, but in my opinion, are definitely worth the added costs. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Polished Internals E-Grip Ape Board JCS Blade Trigger QEV 8" Bigshot + Apex Ricochet R-5 / Tac Cap Palmers Stabilizer 68/4500 Crossfire |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 6:33am
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Posted By: knukclez
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 2:23pm
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Nicely put Raven. ------------- Tippmann Custom Pro-E Polished Internals Custom Mill/Paint Job 16" Rifeled SP Barrel A-6 Stock QEV Cyclone Feed System Chroned at 18 Balls a Second |
Posted By: tippya5extreme
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 3:20pm
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thank you. I say A5 all the way. ------------- http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: pattison
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 4:31pm
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Yeah, they are probably the same performance wise but...
I feel I should bring up my only gripe about the 98. The A5's Barrel-Receiver connection is just much smarter. Screwing a barrel into something that is composed of two halves is a bad idea in theory, and it is the only flaw in my m98. I have to screw the barrel down really tight so that the back of it seats in the receiver or else it will wiggle. Also, the tolerances have to be pretty tight on the receivers or the barrel will be crooked (mine IS, it points a couple of degrees left). It really doesn't cause a performance problem, but this is why my a5 is better than my 98. The a5's threaded insert pressed between the halves is the correction to that flaw in my opinion. ------------- Eat The Brisket |
Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 7:14pm
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Just to let you all know... I wasn't taking the A-5 side. If I were more into speedball, I would want a custom pro over an A-5, and anyways, I'll be buying a custom pro in the future just to spice things up a little. I love both guns, the A-5 is simply more modular. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Polished Internals E-Grip Ape Board JCS Blade Trigger QEV 8" Bigshot + Apex Ricochet R-5 / Tac Cap Palmers Stabilizer 68/4500 Crossfire |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 11:15pm
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if a 98 can take a cyclone with act and its alot easier and can shoot just as far. i believe a 98 maybe a little better
and i own an a5, but thats just my opinion
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 12:19pm
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ive got a custom pro...i was going to get an A5 but i got the custom pro instead. I like it alot better....
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Posted By: 98cboy
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 8:27pm
| Im a 98c owner and i think the a-5 is better thats why it sells for more. Think about it. |
Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 9:52pm
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well, whoever said the 98 is hard to field strip- 4 words-hack saw/butterfly bolts. hack saw, do field strip mod, butterfly bolts to do it quick. but wait, how the hell is stripping the gun down make it any better than another. you have to field strip your gun like 2 times the entire time you own it. and which is better is entire opinion, if you ask me-who would do custom mods to a gun, id say a 98 w cyclone pwns hands down. but if you ask some whos gonna spend 100 bucks to have a functioning devent woods and speed gun, i think theyd pick the a5, its a opinion, and what your after to begin with, so comparing them is pointless ------------- 
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Posted By: T A-5
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 9:35am
| ok why when there is a post about 98's and a-5's there is a huge argument of what is better and ovcourse the people who own 98's say 98's are better and the people who own a-5's say a5's are better and for stupid reasons like cleaning.... why dosent someone compare the guns in an actuall test post the test results and have proff that whatever gun is better. and i think people who post this question over and over do it by perpouse because everytime something like this happens |
Posted By: knukclez
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 10:56am
uhh. look mr spam. if you read this page. a lot of people say " i have an a-5 but i like the custom better " Get yr count up in a forum that no one reads. ------------- Tippmann Custom Pro-E Polished Internals Custom Mill/Paint Job 16" Rifeled SP Barrel A-6 Stock QEV Cyclone Feed System Chroned at 18 Balls a Second |
Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 7:01pm
Neither is better performance wise if they have the same upgrades.... why would we do tests to prove a known fact? Too many people just don't listen and believe it when a proshop owner tells them that "the A-5 shoots farther and more accurate!" etc. ------------- Tippmann A-5 Polished Internals E-Grip Ape Board JCS Blade Trigger QEV 8" Bigshot + Apex Ricochet R-5 / Tac Cap Palmers Stabilizer 68/4500 Crossfire |
Posted By: pattison
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 1:38am
The a-5 has a way flatter trajectory too... ------------- Eat The Brisket |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 5:33pm
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trajectory is part of the paintball hype. "better trajectory" is another word for saying "it's more accurate for no reason... it just is....don't question it" edit: you're talking about the flatline, i hope... in that case, then yes, it does... ------------- X |
Posted By: buttmaster
Date Posted: 27 July 2006 at 1:39am
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i believe the a-5 is more ergonomic (sorry i broke the 5 letter rule) and low profile,and the cyclone is way way way closer to the gun than the 98 cyclone |
Posted By: Tofu_X
Date Posted: 31 July 2006 at 11:13pm
Hahaha.. Markle you're funny you take the side of the a-5 but your avatar is a custom pro. Markle's Avatar:  |
Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 01 August 2006 at 5:17pm
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I take my A-5 all the way apart when i clean it.
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Posted By: Puff8706
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 11:43pm
| ok first of all who gives a rats ass on how fast u can strip ur gun... only a jackass would do that while he is on the field n get his ass lit up. so i dont see what is the big deal if the a-5 is supposedly faster and easier to strip |
Posted By: pattison
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 8:11pm
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and the field stripping is easily made up for by the number of hands it takes to put it together.
one for cocking rod at least one for that damn rear sight, that little ball and spring are a damn nightmare one for tombstone latch one to put it all together i like the a5 for other reasons though ------------- Eat The Brisket |