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Topic: Keeping warm during winter
Posted By: Bird-Dog
Subject: Keeping warm during winter
Date Posted: 03 August 2006 at 10:25pm
Since cold weather is a big factor in paintball and have I havn't seen a post like this on the forum, I thought it might be a good idea to post on how too keep warm during the holiday season (except you darn Cali and Florida folks, you and your nice warm weather!) Knowing how to play and keep warm in the winter time is necessary for you to have a good time. This is a guide on how to play in the winter (feel free to add/correct anything). Before reading: this is how to keep warm, I have not included how to keep your gun in working order in the cold.  

Keeping Yourself Warm:

I don’t care how many Sylvester Stallone’s are out there who think they can climb in the snow for 30 minutes and still survive, wearing the right clothing is necessary. Face it, you will have to give up some tactics you use during the summer in order to keep warm (e.g. wearing a loud windbreak to keep you warm but compromising  your stealth). Obviously with the cold, people use their common sense to layer themselves correctly but here are a couple suggestions for clothing:

     Camouflage you wear during the summer simply won’t cut it. It is too thin and if you are playing in the snow you will get cold fast. If you insist on wear camouflage, wear the stuff specifically made for cold weather. They always have a lining that is designed to keep you somewhat warm. Either that or wear your light camouflage over something that will keep you warm. Hoodies are always pretty good at keeping you warm, except you will want to wear a long sleeve shirt under it and maybe some sort of waterproof windbreaker over it. Ski trousers are always great at keeping your legs dry, but the inside lining might chill your legs. Long johns underneath are usually aa good idea. And of course,  gloves are a must! Without them, your fingers will become stiff and cold and it’s not fun. You will want to make sure that the gloves you wear aren’t too thick so you can still slip you finger between the trigger and trigger-guard.

             If you play sports and own Cold Gear™ Under Armour or equivalent, wear it. It will keep you warm and absorb the sweat, plus it’s thin so you will have great maneuverability. Although make sure you don’t play in it for too long, or else you will get cold from the absorbed sweat, plus wearing spandex for long periods of time isn’t too comfortable. Along those lines, thermals are a good idea, depending on how cold it is outside.

     Socks are always necessary. Ski socks are always great, as they are made from wool and will keep you feet nice and cozy. Otherwise I would wear maybe two pairs of cotton socks, as they weren’t designed for keeping your feet warm in close to freezing weather. Do not wear cotton socks or clothing as it will trap moisture and is not designed to keep you warm (that's why cotton clothing is ideal for summer). Another suggestion that is to use sock liners inside your socks to keep your feet insulated and nice and cozy.

     Some sort of wool watch cap is a good idea to wear along with your mask. Either that or ear warmers, as having cold ears isn’t much fun.

     You might want to wear Balaclava or ski mask under your mask as well. I sometimes wear a light one when its cold, but usually I find a heavy one hard to breathe with it on and it also fogs up my goggles.

Footwear: during the wintertime, wearing the right footwear is essential. Hiking boots are good – if they are water proof, that’s even better. Combat boots are along the same lines as hiking boots, and usually keep you warmer because they cover more of your lower-leg. Sneakers and running shoes should be right out if your mind as you decide what shoes to wear, as they are thin, designed to keep your feet cool, and will let water in a jiffy. I know this sounds obscure, but ski and snowboarding boots aren’t a good idea either – they are too clunky and not very maneuverable.

Know Your Limits:

This sounds a bit odd at first, except what I mean by it is that you should know how much clothing will keep you warm. Wearing too much can be as bad as wearing too little. If you wear to much, you can become too overheated and possibly even dehydrated if you are not careful, plus the sweat created from the excess clothing will cause you inner clothes to become wet and freeze, making you even colder. Wearing too little is self-explanatory. Also, always make sure you are comfortable wearing what you have on. Make sure you can move around. Don’t play for too long a time, anything over three hours and you will start to feel a bit chilly.

  >A Good Insert From druidsecendant

WOOL and GOOSE DOWN are the BEST natural insulators on the planet. Forget Thinsulate, it's CRAP compared to them. NEVER SOLELY RELY ON THINSILATE but you can augment under-layers with it.

They both continue to insulate even when wet, the problem is they tend to get heavy. Wool can be coated with 3M Scotchguard Brand water proofer but Down can't. Concentrate on shoulders, knees, elbows, forearms and the seat of your pants. CABELAS sells wool pants and jackets. I use them and they are AWESOME for PA winters which can get down to around -30*F with the wind chill.

LAYER your clothing LOOSELY. This traps the warm air in between them which is what keeps you warm. Tight fitting clothes won't, even in layers.

Neoprene is waterproof but it doesn't breathe well at all. Your perspiration will be held in and is no different than getting wet. It will chill you to the bone. GoreTex Is AWESOME stuff. It's allows your perspiration to evaporate but doesn't let water in. HIGHLY recommended..

BOOTS - I prefer an insulated leather boot myself but they tend to get wet and defeat the insulating properties. Use Sno*Seal Brand waterproofer. It's a bee's wax, Mink-oil hybrid paste in a can or tube. Warm the boot by putting it in a gas oven (Place a layer of aluminum foil on the rack...pilot light only) for about an hour. Put on latex gloves and rub the agent into the leather in an even layer. Put back in the oven for 2 hours. This will soften the paste and let it seep into the pores. Pull them out and do it again. Keep this up until the leather won't take anymore. Wipe off excess with a clean, lint free rag.

Sno Seal HERE - http://www.gunaccessories.com/Sno-Seal/waterproofing.asp - http://www.gunaccessories.com/Sno-Seal/waterproofing.asp

Your other option is rubber/snowmobile type boots but they have a tendency to be clumsy and get heavy after a while. They are a better boot though, especially if yo get the models with multiple wool and neoprene liners.

Gloves - Ragg Wool, fingerless/mitten hybrid styled are AWESOME.

wool hat, Undergarments, and socks....all here under the category "Clothing/Hnting" - http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/category/category.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/category-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat470076&id=cat470076&navCount=3&parentId=cat21424&navAction=jump&returnPage=&returnQueryString=&cmCat=MainCatcat470076&parentType=category&rid=5000160032502 - http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/category/category.js p?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/category-link.jsp_A& _DAV=MainCatcat470076&id=cat470076&navCount=3&pa rentId=cat21424&navAction=jump&returnPage=&retur nQueryString=&cmCat=MainCatcat470076&parentType=cate gory&rid=5000160032502



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Replies:
Posted By: dmp4892.
Date Posted: 03 August 2006 at 11:18pm
It is also a good idea to take routine breaks to go indoors and warm up and maybe have some hot chocolate or coffee.
Hand warmers are great as well, you can put them in your shoes and gloves to keep you warm.

Good thread dude. I know exactly what this is like. I live in MA and mainly play during the winter.


Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 3:07am

I live in Texas. Winter = 60* lows...

But anyway, pretty good info.



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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 6:46am
good thread.  i own some under armor, but it chaffs my nipples...  and it's very uncomfortable...

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Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 3:31pm
ahh yes, the famous nipple chafting. Very common during the winter.

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Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 4:09pm
Yeah I wear under armor. Works liek a charm. It gets cold around here...


Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 4:14pm
yea, isn't it amazing what you do for a sport you love? lol, "its 30 degrees outside, lets go paintballing"

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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 5:37pm
I've never really played yet in the winter as the paintballs are rather expensive. But we have played in the fall right before it starts snowing and all and I usually just throw on 2 pairs of socks, my boots, jeans, turtle neck Adidas sport thingy i got, and a jacket.


Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 6:32pm
Yea, a lot of stuff in my post a lot of people already know and is sort of common sense. But some things I stumbled over that I didn't even know. So some things may come to a surprise to you. This may be sticky material?

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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 6:43pm
might be sticky material...  at least until next spring.

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Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 6:54pm

I'll see if I can work up a post showing/telling how to keep your gun in working condition during the winter.



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Posted By: Cactus Jack
Date Posted: 06 August 2006 at 8:43am
What the heck is an honest-to-God informative thread doing on this forum?
Nicely done, though ...

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Posted By: ^Pirate^
Date Posted: 06 August 2006 at 10:43am
I think it's common sense, which on this forum is rare, so this post gets an A+!(Even though I posted it nearly a year ago, just different)

Mine had another tip for HOT and COLD weather, wear Underarmour, if you can afford it or borrow it, heatgear when it's hot to keep you cool so you don't get overheated, and coldgear when it's cold. Fleece is also good in the cold.


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Posted By: nightfox9
Date Posted: 06 August 2006 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:

good thread.  i own some under armor, but it chaffs my nipples...  and it's very uncomfortable...


I see xballers wearing Under armor alot at my field and it seems to not offer much protection. But of course you don't have to worry if you never get shot.


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Posted By: Cactus Jack
Date Posted: 06 August 2006 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by nightfox9 nightfox9 wrote:


Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:



good thread.  i own some under armor, but it chaffs my nipples...  and it's
very uncomfortable...
I see xballers wearing Under armor alot at my
field and it seems to not offer much protection. But of course you don't have
to worry if you never get shot.

Or admit you've been shot!!

BANG BANG!!

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Posted By: garyrr
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:

good thread.  i own some under armor, but it chaffs my nipples...  and it's very uncomfortable...


tape those bad boys up n ur good to go;)


Posted By: Cactus Jack
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 5:01pm
KINKY!!

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Posted By: nightfox9
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by Cactus Jack Cactus Jack wrote:

KINKY!!


ROFL!


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Posted By: druidsdecendant
Date Posted: 08 August 2006 at 6:18am

I'm a PA hunter for the last 24 years and would add/edit this into the first post...

WOOL and GOOSE DOWN are the BEST natural insulators on the planet. Forget Thinsulate, it's CRAP compared to them. NEVER SOLELY RELY ON THINSILATE but you can augment under-layers with it.

They both continue to insulate even when wet, the problem is they tend to get heavy. Wool can be coated with 3M Scotchguard Brand water proofer but Down can't. Concentrate on shoulders, knees, elbows, forearms and the seat of your pants. CABELAS sells wool pants and jackets. I use them and they are AWESOME for PA winters which can get down to around -30*F with the wind chill.

LAYER your clothing LOOSELY. This traps the warm air in between them which is what keeps you warm. Tight fitting clothes won't, even in layers.

Neoprene is waterproof but it doesn't breathe well at all. Your perspiration will be held in and is no different than getting wet. It will chill you to the bone. GoreTex Is AWESOME stuff. It's allows your perspiration to evaporate but doesn't let water in. HIGHLY recommended..

BOOTS - I prefer an insulated leather boot myself but they tend to get wet and defeat the insulating properties. Use Sno*Seal Brand waterproofer. It's a bee's wax, Mink-oil hybrid paste in a can or tube. Warm the boot by putting it in a gas oven (Place a layer of aluminum foil on the rack...pilot light only) for about an hour. Put on latex gloves and rub the agent into the leather in an even layer. Put back in the oven for 2 hours. This will soften the paste and let it seep into the pores. Pull them out and do it again. Keep this up until the leather won't take anymore. Wipe off excess with a clean, lint free rag.

Sno Seal HERE - http://www.gunaccessories.com/Sno-Seal/waterproofing.asp - http://www.gunaccessories.com/Sno-Seal/waterproofing.asp

Your other option is rubber/snowmobile type boots but they have a tendency to be clumsy and get heavy after a while. They are a better boot though, especially if yo get the models with multiple wool and neoprene liners.

Gloves - Ragg Wool, fingerless/mitten hybrid styled are AWESOME.

wool hat, Undergarments, and socks....all here under the category "Clothing/Hnting" - http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/category/category.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/category-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat470076&id=cat470076&navCount=3&parentId=cat21424&navAction=jump&returnPage=&returnQueryString=&cmCat=MainCatcat470076&parentType=category&rid=5000160032502 - http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/category/category.js p?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/category-link.jsp_A& _DAV=MainCatcat470076&id=cat470076&navCount=3&pa rentId=cat21424&navAction=jump&returnPage=&retur nQueryString=&cmCat=MainCatcat470076&parentType=cate gory&rid=5000160032502



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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 08 August 2006 at 12:09pm

Around here, when the winter hits, theres no WAY I'm paintballing.

We're not quite to "Penguin freezes to death" weather, but its close.

I dont care how bundled up I'm gonna get, I'll wait until the animals and trees thaw out



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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 09 August 2006 at 2:04am
heh, yeah Reb, indoor fields ftw.

But for reference. I go with wool socks. Never go with cotton. When wool, gets wet, it can also dry out again, while your still wearing it. Cotton can't.

If your boots suck, wear plastic grocery bags around your feet. They keep your socks dry.

don't buy winter camo. stick with woodland. Chances are you are still playing in the woods. The key to staying hidden in camo is to keep from moving anyway.

I love my Carhart's!!! I wish they still fit.

Wear layers. Sometimes you overheat, and you really don't want to sweat. So lose layers as you heat up.


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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 09 August 2006 at 9:52pm

I know I wear in winter in this order (For top)

Under Armor, Longsleeve t-shirt, T-shirt, Flannel Shirt (Could be insulated), Sweatshirt, BDU's and a harness. Plus a Ski Mask maybe.



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Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:20pm
Pretty much everyone has their own great ways to keep warm, and other people learn from hearing what works sucessfully.

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Posted By: Greeg
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 11:41am
sticky please


Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 12:14pm
mmmmm winter paintball



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Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by Greeg Greeg wrote:

sticky please


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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 1:34am
Now about keeping your gun from feezing. I have used co2 in a snow storm but i would go with comp/air or somthing like that. If you do use co2 dont fire too fast or maybe tape a hand warmer on the side of you gun and polish your internals up, less of a chance of ice getting in there and sticking. and before you go, oil the gun to lube it up but then wipe as much oil off as possible. less oil to freeze

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Posted By: CQB_NINja
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 5:08am
Last winter (in massachusetts-frigid winter last season) We didnt wear a lot of layers. We were preeeetty cold walking to the field, and setting up. after the first few games, we were fine. May have been the staging area under a train track bridge with no wind getting us.

I just had a desert camo field jacket, some pajama pants and whatever other pair of pants i found.

I put my co2 tank in a cloth tank cover, a sock, then in a pack for a fat water bottle for hiking.


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Posted By: simbrian
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 12:26am

whats the point of camo in winter if someone can just follow your tracks anyways?



Posted By: CQB_NINja
Date Posted: 28 August 2006 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by simbrian simbrian wrote:

whats the point of camo in winter if someone can just follow your tracks anyways?



There are tracks everywhere eventually.


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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 28 August 2006 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by druidsdecendant druidsdecendant wrote:

I'm a PA hunter for the last 24 years and would add/edit this into the first post...


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