Compressed Air *Is it worth It*
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Topic: Compressed Air *Is it worth It*
Posted By: Spike511
Subject: Compressed Air *Is it worth It*
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:51am
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I was just thinking of getting a compressed air tank for my 98 Custom to replace the CO2 tank I already have. Is it worth it, what will be the differance, and how much am i going to have to spend. Please and Thanks. ------------- well then....as a last resort...SHOOT AT WHATEVER MOVES |
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 11:23am
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i think a compressed air tank runs round 150 bucks i dont kno wat refils run but it give u alot of shots ------------- 
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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 11:47am
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It's much cleaner for your gun and it's easier to get filled at bigger events. For a used tank, you're looking at about $125-175. A good brand to check out is Crossfire, and a good size is 68/4500. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 1:38pm
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Yes it's definitely worth it. You don't have to worry about freezing your marker up if you upgrade it to shoot fast. You don't have to worry about velocity spikes, your marker will shoot more consistantly. It is cleaner for your marker. Those are some of the biggest benifits. ------------- NASA and the Americans spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a pen that would write in space.....The Russians used a pencil. |
Posted By: Bird-Dog
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 2:29pm
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Once you get it, you'll never want to go back to co2. ------------- 
_Bird-Dog_ |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 9:27pm
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It is absolutely worth it! What you should do first is check to see if there is anyone in your area that can fill HPA. Check what the max pressure (3000psi or 4500psi) they can fill. If it is only 3000psi, it wouldn't make any sense to get a 4500psi tank. Next thing you want to look for is capacity. The smallest tanks are about 47ci. The largest 114ci. After pressure and capacity, you'll want to look at what kind of tank. Metal or composite/fiber-wrapped. The metal tanks will be heavier, and the fiber-wrapped are lighter but slightly bulkier. As far as tank prices, some of them are pretty expen$ive. I've purchased all 3 of mine on EBAY for $100 or less. A 72ci/3000psi tank runs about $80 + shipping. Look around and you'll find some deals.
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Posted By: RevoXT
Date Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:05pm
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A GOOD tank runs you 150$ and up that is SIZE wise. Compressed Air (Nitrogen\HPA) Kills C02 big time. HOWEVER if you anti-siphon your c02 tank and add a nice expansion chamber they are almost the same... since with an Anti-Siphon all you are getting is GAS from your c02 tank and not Liquid. That's alot cheaper too.. a Anti-Siphon job will run you about 25$ and the EXP about 20$ and it's cheaper to refill as well. ------------- Tippmann A-5 -Shocktech Drop -Super R\T -QEV -JCS Powertube -BT Sight -Flatline + Metadyne Shroud -R.I.S. Foregrip -Stock -C02 20OZ Anti-Siphon -X-Core EXP Chamber -Macro-Line Tippmann C-3 |
Posted By: Ashdawg
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 1:42am
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just get a Palmer's stabilizer. It's only $100 bucks and CO2 can be
filled almost anywhere and is also cheaper than compressed air. Plus,
you can buy several 20 oz. tanks and have them all filled and
ready to go any time you want, rather than one compressed air bottle. (
I'm assuming you are only able to buy one air tank at this time)
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Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 4:35am
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For all the gimmicks you can install, expansion chambers, regulators, remotes and so on, all are designed to "fix" the problems with CO2. And still, at high rates of fire you are going to shoot down in pressure due to excessive cooling and you will STILL occasionally freeze up. Buy a good used wrapped HPA tank off Ebay and say good-by to gas problems (spikes and shoot down). -------------  
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 7:58am
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The "c02 is dirty" statement is a myth. It makes me wonder how many people that say this have actually took apart a reg. and found evidence of this. And I say if you have taken your reg. apart and found it to be filthy, it's not from your air supply but from lack of regular maintenance. hpa is better than c02 though. |
Posted By: StormyKnight
Date Posted: 14 August 2006 at 8:32am
Agreed. If you tend to throw a lot of paint during a game, an anti-siphon tank and expansion chamber will only work so well. Your tank and x-chamber will start to freeze and your velocity will go down. With HPA, you don't have to worry about that. You can play all year long in the coldest winter to the warmest summer. HPA is far more consistent than C02. -------------
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Bruce A. Frank wrote:Posted By: benttwig33
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 12:32am
Agreed. ------------- Sig is WAY too big. |
Posted By: RevoXT
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 12:26pm
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Here's the thing, unless he has an E-Frame or Response Trigger it really won't matter that much if he has an EXP Chamber so I guess we would need to know his gun style first. It seems like a regular 98 Custom where he can't do "Ramp" "Full Auto" "Responsive" "Burst" etc so he should be fine with c02 and an exp chamber\anti siphon
------------- Tippmann A-5 -Shocktech Drop -Super R\T -QEV -JCS Powertube -BT Sight -Flatline + Metadyne Shroud -R.I.S. Foregrip -Stock -C02 20OZ Anti-Siphon -X-Core EXP Chamber -Macro-Line Tippmann C-3 |
Posted By: Bruce A. Frank
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 1:06pm
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Yes, but all answers posted are not intended to be limited to cover just a particuar marker configuration. If he can't shoot 11 bps then he can ignore the solutions for problems with fast shooting and go ahead and install an expansion chamber or a remote or a solar heat exchanger to control CO2 vaporation. -------------
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 15 August 2006 at 2:51pm
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I would definately say no, but I take hype very lightly. First off, say you pay $150 for an HPA tank. Now you have a tank thats physically bigger, gives you less shots, and of course took a big chunk out of your wallet. For what? Ive personally shot +-5fps over the chrono with an A5 with just an expansion chamber. Ive personally ripped an entire hopper with that A5, the entire gun was frosted up and it never missed a single shot. Sure it might have dropped velocity a bit, but not shooting over a chrono that time I couldnt tell, but it was still just fine for shooting someone with a paintball at effective range, which is all the thing is designed to do anyway. Personally Ill stick with a $20 co2 tank that gives more shots and isnt half as bulky any day. Dont believe half the myths about how god awful horrific co2 is. The people that tell you those things are telling them for a reason, namely to sell you a $150 tank of air. For any gun without electronics or a lightning fast regulator like an automag, co2 is just fine. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zirlian_1788
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:03pm
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HPA is safer, alot more consistent, and kicks the snot out of CO2 in all fields. Sorry, hands down HPA. ------------- >Smart Parts Ion >Tippmann A-5 http://xgunslingerx.piczo.com - Team Adrenaline Rush |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:29pm
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Safer?? The only safety concern is the tank valve unscrewing from the tank, and that has an equal chance of happening on an HPA tank just as much as a co2 tank. And if it does, would you rather have 900 PSI propelling the bottle or 4500? -------------
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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:45pm
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Thanks Enos , I will give the run-down on HPA Vs. CO2 again very soon , Damn , wasnt there a thread posted on this not too long ago ?? maybe I'll search and find it ,,,, here ,, http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=156 540&KW=shadowminion - http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=156 540&KW=shadowminion Safer ,, NO Cleaner ,, No More tolerant to neglect ,, Yes Less prone to shootdown ,, Yes Better for tempatures (crap . mind fart) below 40 degrees , Yes ------------- SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf . Widowmaker , under construction |
Posted By: spudcrazy
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 4:08pm
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HPA Safer??? Absolutely. Have you ever played paintball in the summer???? We re-chrono all markers with CO2, regularly in the summer because the heat causes the CO2 to expand which causes huge velocity spikes. I've seen a Tippmann chrono at 280fps, then the guy marches up to the field, lays his marker down in the sun, then we re-chrono'd him at 365fps. Is HPA safer? You betcha!!!! Is it better for your marker??? Frozen o-rings get brittle. (This one, I did myself when I only had my 98 Am I trying to sell someone a $150 HPA tank? NOPE!!! Now that's not to say CO2 is all bad, it's just that HPA is much better. BTW, did you know even CO2 tanks should be re-hydro'd ------------- http://www.thelloydsonline.com/paintball - SPUDCRAZY http://www.oldmanmilitia.com"> 
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.) I was shooting with an RT and the marker started to freeze. I was smart enough to stop, but not before my bolt o-ring cracked. After that, my marker wouldn't reset and I had to change out the o-ring....Is HPA better for your marker??? You betcha!!!!
?Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 5:28pm
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Re-reading the original post, I've come to the conclusion that he definately should stay with c02. In this instance (98c), and making some pre-judgments based on the original post he won't notice any marginal difference. If you decide to rt the 98 or e it you may have to consider running a reg. along the lines of a Palmer to remove liquid due to high rof. A coiled remote would do just as good as a reg. IMO, but both would be ideal for c02. Think about hp if you get an electro. |
Posted By: UV Halo
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 9:32pm
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CO2 tanks and HPA tanks are just as safe for the end user- Provided you take care of them (put covers on those fiber wraps!) that's why there are no restrictions on buying HPA tanks. I'm sure we've all heard about that kid that almost got creamed by that CO2 tank he was sitting next to when it exploded. But, in paintball, Safety is more than just how the tank is safe, It's output is a factor as well. The most obvious issue is the temperature / pressure / velocity relationship. Warm tank = higher pressure = Higher FPS if the gun isn't re-adjusted. I've seen spyders unable to chrono low-enough (without cutting a spring) on a summer day even though they were in the shade. The tippmann power tube is pretty good about this since you can just about close it. But, it must be kept track of (a mid-day chrono really doesn't cut it since it gets even hotter until about 2:00). Then, there is the whole liquid bit. Reg, expansion chamber, whatever. Tilt your barrel downward, so that your valve is lower than your tank. If you're not wearing a remote, soon, your internals will be nice and full with liquid. Raise your gun and shoot. At least one shot will be hot, and most likely real hot. You will shoot hot (in decreasing amounts) until the liquid clears or, you shoot enough liquid to chill the tank. A palmer stab is not a liquid in the valve preventer. That is a myth. There is nothing in the internals that stop liquid but, allow gas through. Nor, does it have 'expansion chambers' built in. The real deal about a stabilizer is that it is designed well-enough to pass liquid CO2, and not experience a blowout when that liquid starts to expand in the reg body. A lot of other regs cannot handle this situation unless the are designed with CO2 in mind since, they are not built to handle higher pressures than they put out, on the downstream end. Now what happens is when the liquid goes through the reg, your downstream pressure is now higher than what the reg is set for, and your shooting hot until it gets back down below the regs output pressure. Now, there are the inconveniences of CO2. Shootdown. Sorry but, in cooler months, I've had shootdown in my bushmaster pump to the point where the ball dropped onto the ground 50-75' in front of me. Granted I didn't have an expansion chamber on my gun so, I probably got some liquid in there but, it will happen. The funny thing about CO2, is that only at first is your temperature drop experienced strictly in the tank. Soon after, the entire gas path between the tank and the gun starts to cool and that only compounds the situation. It might buy you more time but, it will take you even longer to recover from. Velocity inconsistancy (the C02 issues above that aren't extreme enough to become a safety hazard, or cause your shots to fall noticably short). Fire ten shots in 5 seconds, over a chrono. Your first will be faster than your last. That means that at the very least, there will be a change in the ballistic profile. Depending on the range, with the gun benchmarked, there will be a difference in the points of impact. How different depends on how much you've shotdown, and the range of our target. On the field you may not notice it (ou a even subconciously compensate for it as you tend to elevate anways after watching where your shots are landing but, it will occur. Now, I played from 89, to 2000 with CO2 and at the height of it all, I had a remote, on-remote expansion chamber, and double regs on my original spyder compact deluxe. I switched to HPA (before I even got the Tippmann) and I will never go back. Edited for typos ------------- M98C- W/QwkStrpCut Comp Air & Palmer Fatty Stab Gas-Thru Stock Lapco Sight Rail W/ADCO 30MM EDOT Qloader W/ CMS Freak SS W/Stif-Tip * Flatline * Armson Stealth |
Posted By: I PAINTxBALL I
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:02pm
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[ye but no i wouldnt get it for a 98c i mean the tank is more than the gun but it is bttr for your internals if i were u id just get 20 oz co2 tank instead of wastin 200 on a compress air tank for 98 unless u really want i could see an a5 but i would get if it had to compressed air not a want. ------------- Tre |