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Topic: Hollywood..
Posted By: Kristofer
Subject: Hollywood..
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:11pm
Why is hollywood making more and more crappy movies. When was the last time a real good war movie was out? Kingdom of Heaven was the last decent one. It seems like they make nothing useful. They make 9/11 movies that I believe personally are to soon. Now they have one with snakes on an airplane? What idiot came up with that idea? I dont see any war movies about Iraq or Afghanistan being made. Unless Ive missed something. I'm pretty sure during ww2 they made movies about it. Or at least after the war I know they definatly did. Why not anything about the Fallujah offensive? Or the assault in Afghanistan? I just think hollywood needs to make a real war movie. Who cares about Snakes on Planes!? Its like a bad Anaconda remake on an airplane.



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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:13pm
You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?

I guess I dont get it.


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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:13pm

They say Snakes on a Plane will wind up being a cult movie.

But yeah, I agree. A good war movie is definately in order.



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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?I guess I dont get it.


Yeah that is kinda contradictive isnt it? Hmm. point taken.


Posted By: The American
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?

I guess I dont get it.


lol


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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:15pm
snakes on a plane looks so funny

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:21pm
Snakes on a Plane > You

There, I said it.


Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:22pm
the thing is if they did create a good war movie sum idiot would invole their opion in politics and mess it all up

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Snakes on a Plane > You

There, I said it.


QFT

An Afghanistan or Iraq movie would kick ass, for sure, but it's still too politically loaded. At least Iraq, anyways...

Snakes On A Plane is gonna be epic.


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Posted By: iceman1186
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:25pm
Clerks 2? Anyone?

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:35pm
Yeah. But you know, im not satisfied with a lot of movies. They lack art. Seeing a huge battle with everything going on, thats not art. Movies like, Band Of Brothers, Boondock Saints, they had violence, but they also had cinematic value, art, emotion. They had a point. The LOTR movies, as much i hated the acting and the dorked out story line, the battles were emense, they were artfuly done, with huge sweeping landscapes and beautiful pans spanning for miles.

The art in hollywood is dying, and it has been for a long time. Tarantino is burning out, there are some hangers on, but its deffinatly not looking good.

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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:35pm

Snakes on a plane...rofl.

I agree a war movie involving Iraq would be good, but as stated, politics would become so involved and bring down the movie.



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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:36pm

but snakes on a plane isn't even out yet, but they have all this merch everywhere...  i mean "Snakes on a Sudoku"? come on!



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Posted By: The American
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:39pm
I think they need to do a documentary on the war right now and put it in theaters to show the nation what really happens besides what we see on the news.

I know they do this for like dateline specials and what not but I'd like to see something that isn't edited for tv.


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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by The American The American wrote:

I think they need to do a documentary on the war right now and put it in theaters to show the nation what really happens besides what we see on the news.

I know they do this for like dateline specials and what not but I'd like to see something that isn't edited for tv.
it's pretty brutal...

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Posted By: The American
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:

Originally posted by The American The American wrote:

I think they need to do a documentary on the war right now and put it in theaters to show the nation what really happens besides what we see on the news.

I know they do this for like dateline specials and what not but I'd like to see something that isn't edited for tv.
it's pretty brutal...


I know, I can't even imagine, but I still think the country needs a wake up, it seems people have forgotten about the war.


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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:48pm

Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?I guess I dont get it.


Yeah that is kinda contradictive isnt it? Hmm. point taken.

nah, its not really if you think about it. your comparing 3000+ people killed in one fell swoop with heroism and combating the biggest fear of americans

edit- so longs we dont have another deer hunter...



Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:50pm
WW2 movies made during WW2 typically consisted of retarded,buck-toothed japs punching themselves in the face.  That or evil germans raping women then getting pwned by some soldier.


Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 10:07pm

Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

WW2 movies made during WW2 typically consisted of retarded,buck-toothed japs punching themselves in the face.  That or evil germans raping women then getting pwned by some soldier.

exactly, that was the propaganda they wanted people to see. cant do that now though, media would take all that away with a simple news cast. cant hurt to make a movie like that with iraqi/afganastani insurgents



Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 10:22pm
Kingdom of Heaven =

I think what you REALLY meant was: "Hollywood doesn't make the kind of war movies I want to see."
I mean, you seem to miss the point of S.O.A.P completely, it's kind of a modern camp movie. It's supposed to be bad.

As for good recent cinema, there's plenty.
Examples:
The Producers
It's all gone Pete Tong
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
Sin City
Munich
V for Vendetta

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Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by evillepaintball evillepaintball wrote:

WW2 movies made during WW2 typically consisted of retarded,buck-toothed japs punching themselves in the face.  That or evil germans raping women then getting pwned by some soldier.


exactly, that was the propaganda they wanted people to see. cant do that now though, media would take all that away with a simple news cast. cant hurt to make a movie like that with iraqi/afganastani insurgents

Can't hurt?
Well, that ought to fix our image problem right up, won't it? Yessiree, bigotry, racism, propoganda, those are REAL american values.


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 16 August 2006 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?I guess I dont get it.


Yeah that is kinda contradictive isnt it? Hmm. point taken.

nah, its not really if you think about it. your comparing 3000+ people killed in one fell swoop with heroism and combating the biggest fear of americans

edit- so longs we dont have another deer hunter...

Why? Deer Hunter scare you a little? What's wrong with showing the military on a completely different plane of existence. Personally I liked it, as much as I liked Munich and Platoon.



Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:17am
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?I guess I dont get it.


Yeah that is kinda contradictive isnt it? Hmm. point taken.

nah, its not really if you think about it. your comparing 3000+ people killed in one fell swoop with heroism and combating the biggest fear of americans

edit- so longs we dont have another deer hunter...

Why? Deer Hunter scare you a little? What's wrong with showing the military on a completely different plane of existence. Personally I liked it, as much as I liked Munich and Platoon.

i dunno, it seems like most of those movies like deer hunter and apocalypse now (no they dont scare me, they digust me to a degree) just make nam vets seem crazy, its a stereotype people pick up from movies. granted some people are a little off from stuff that happened, its not the case in every movie.

the only movie about nam i have ever come across that was for the most part accurate is we were soldiers, which is based off a true story. and it didnt depict the soldiers as crazy or slightly off either.



Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 5:59am

Originally posted by The American The American wrote:

Originally posted by Styro Folme Styro Folme wrote:

Originally posted by The American The American wrote:

I think they need to do a documentary on the war right now and put it in theaters to show the nation what really happens besides what we see on the news.

I know they do this for like dateline specials and what not but I'd like to see something that isn't edited for tv.
it's pretty brutal...


I know, I can't even imagine, but I still think the country needs a wake up, it seems people have forgotten about the war.
 it would probably make us look bad.  sometimes, in certain cirucumstances, children where shot and killed.  This is because the soldiers protecting the VIP where in fear they where human bombs. 

They probably don't do this anymore, but this is what i heard at the beginning of the rebuilding process.  My uncle is one of the V.I.P.  but i use the term "vip" losely. 



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Posted By: a5Tpp789
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 8:19am

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Yeah. But you know, im not satisfied with a lot of movies. They lack art. Seeing a huge battle with everything going on, thats not art. Movies like, Band Of Brothers, Boondock Saints, they had violence, but they also had cinematic value, art, emotion. They had a point. The LOTR movies, as much i hated the acting and the dorked out story line, the battles were emense, they were artfuly done, with huge sweeping landscapes and beautiful pans spanning for miles.

The art in hollywood is dying, and it has been for a long time. Tarantino is burning out, there are some hangers on, but its deffinatly not looking good.

you have alot of time lol



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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:37am
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by Kristofer Kristofer wrote:

Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

You said 9/11 movies are "too soon" but want them to make movies about the war in iraq thats still going on?I guess I dont get it.


Yeah that is kinda contradictive isnt it? Hmm. point taken.

nah, its not really if you think about it. your comparing 3000+ people killed in one fell swoop with heroism and combating the biggest fear of americans

edit- so longs we dont have another deer hunter...

Why? Deer Hunter scare you a little? What's wrong with showing the military on a completely different plane of existence. Personally I liked it, as much as I liked Munich and Platoon.

i dunno, it seems like most of those movies like deer hunter and apocalypse now (no they dont scare me, they digust me to a degree) just make nam vets seem crazy, its a stereotype people pick up from movies. granted some people are a little off from stuff that happened, its not the case in every movie.

the only movie about nam i have ever come across that was for the most part accurate is we were soldiers, which is based off a true story. and it didnt depict the soldiers as crazy or slightly off either.

The movie you are referring to "We Were Soldiers" actually has received negative criticism for being unrealistic in terms of the Vietnam conflict. Especially since many people involved in that story have come out later to say that the movie and book took generous leaps and bounds to make it more entertaining. I like to compare "We Were Soldiers" with movies like "Black Hawk Down" and "The Patriot." They are entertaining, but disappointing and biased in their own terms. Although I know it's impossible to make movie true to the story and even realistic, there are some movies that have done a good job at it that do not receive recognition.



Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:54am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_%282007_film%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_%282007_film%29

The movie for American McGee's Alice is in high gear, and I loved the game. So-so game play, but an awesome atmosphere. It was an awesome take on a twisted Wonderland, and while I liked Gellar in The Grudge she shouldn't do this one.

The game Alice, which the movie is following, so I've heard, very closely, is longer in the face, with an almost sickly thin frame. She's morose and apathetic. Gellar doesn't have that "vibe" to me.

I'm still eager for the movie, but I have yet to be convinced Gellar could carry the lead.

VS.

At least give her a knife.

Not a terrible likeness, but there are better choices. Eh... what can you expect from a video game movie. I'll still give it a watch. And I think I'll replay the game.


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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:03pm

Somebody has a short time horizon...  When exactly did this supposed decline begin?  Like three years ago?  Dbib referes to how things have been going downhill for "a long time", but holds out as examples of goodness movies that are less than ten years old.

Perspective...

That said, I don't agree that today's movies are any worse than last year's movies.

And, most importantly, I can't wait to see SoaP.  Did anybody see Samuel L. on The Daily Show?  Outstanding interview.



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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:20pm

I'd have to agree that we are in somewhat of a slump as to the quality of movies coming out now.

There was some good, groundbreaking stuff out in the 70's.

Even the mid 90's had some really good stuff. Tarrintino has bured out, Kill Bill just wasn't that good compared to his other stuff.

Who do we have for great directors making stuff now? Shamalyan? His movies just keep gettering worse as he starts to think he's better. Lady in the water was complete tripe. 

I just haven't been seeing a lot of really great new stuff coming out lately. Lot's of remakes, but not the wall to wall good stuff we've had in some of those periods where hollywood cranks out gems.



Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:30pm
oh man reifdom...i remember that game...that was one of the first pc games i bought when i had my first computer

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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by Boss_DJ Boss_DJ wrote:

oh man reifdom...i remember that game...that was one of the first pc games i bought when i had my first computer


Not a bad start on computer gaming. Awesome atmosphere. I liked the details. The card soldiers got more powerful as they changed suits. Club soldies were easy, but the Heart soldiers were much more powerful. The Cheshire Cat had a cool voice.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 1:11pm
Snakes on a Plane, hopefully, is "Evil Dead" bad, and not "Anaconda" bad.


Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 2:55pm
Just more Alice stuff...

On another board somebody suggested http://imdb.com/name/nm1132359/ - Summer Glau to play Alice.



I haven't seen much of her work, but she sure as hell looks the part. And she's played kinda nutsy people I guess.


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