racial profiling
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Topic: racial profiling
Posted By: battlefreak
Subject: racial profiling
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 9:43pm
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should they do it? they as in security at airports ------------- 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 9:44pm
| im for it. i dont care what people say |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 9:44pm
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GI JOES SON wrote:Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:02pm
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Who are "they", what do you mean "do", and what do you mean by "racial profiling"? You're going to have to be a lot more specific... |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:04pm
Why? ------------- 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:11pm
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now im by no means a racist or a bigot. in fact i have friends of certain decents. and yes by decents i mean middle eastern. however, short of a few incidents one including tim MCveigh, look at every terrorist attack since the WTC in 93. I'm sorry, but im just for it. actually, i think every single passenger should be screened, but some more than others. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:27pm
So, you arent racist, but you believe that a group of people identified by their skin color are going to inherently act different, and be more deadly than others? Makes sense. Admit it. You are a racist. Like it or not, if you didn't lie in that post about what you believe, then you are a racist. Congratulations. -------------
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Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:39pm
| I don't think it is right. You can't stereotype people by their skin color. People of all races do horrible things. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:45pm
| gatyr, i know i sound racist, but i do have friends who are middle eastern decent, but i mean you have to go by the numbers. |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:49pm
But if statistically one race has committed more horrible things along those lines, it's not right to watch them more?
That's like saying that even though pit bulls probably bite more people than shi tzus, you shouldn't be extra careful around them because you are judging all pit bulls. |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:51pm
I was trying to think of a good way to word it and you hit it dead on ------------- 
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Posted By: paintbusta
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:55pm
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i like people ------------- 
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Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 10:59pm
What I'm saying is that we should be careful around the pit bulls and shi tzus in order not to get bitten. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:02pm
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I'm not a racist but I do believe in profiling to some extent. For time reasons I won't go into that right now but tommorow when I have more time I shall go in depth on my opinion in this matter. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:04pm
Hhhmmm Or The cute fury little ewok  AKA Shi Tzus |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:12pm
 this woman or this guy  ------------- 
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:20pm
I lol'd. Rather intensily -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:23pm
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im not trying to sound racist, and to be honest i guess i shouldnt be focused on middle easterners. its really any islamic fundamentalist, its the fundamentalists that are crazy enough to do this stuff hell i think the catholics were wrong with 'white mans burden'. im not trying to sound racist, and i know i do sound like one. but, we have to look at who took down the towers, who targeted those flights from london, ect. all im trying to do is make sure no more innocent people die, to be honest. i really dont want to see another 9-11, and had those flights been actually hit, the same number of people probably wouldve died. 10 planes times 200-300 people=2000-3000 people. |
Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:33pm
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Just pretend you are in the shoes of a person of Middle Eastern decent. You're not a terrorist, you know you aren't a terrorist, yet you are treated like you are a terrorist. It is just my opinion that racial profiling does not work and just stirs up controversy. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:35pm
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Im all for it.
But ile explain myself by giving you a breif lesson in MI. 10% of all muslims are shiite, 90% are sunni. What is the goal of racial profiling? Its to give our government a leg up in recognizing iregularities in the populace that would stick out.. The different sects of Islam have different names that are asociated with them. Racialy, if a man dressed like a sunni, and his name is Hussain, we know something is up, because a sunni would never be named hussain, that would be like naming a Jew Adolf. Culturaly it isnt done, so you would segregate this person and search him thoroughly and ask him a couple questions. What we are doing isnt so much racial as it is ethnic profiling. And isreal has been doing it for decades. And it works. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:38pm
thats what i was saying n my last post, its the fundamentalists that are the issue |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 August 2006 at 11:39pm
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It still bugs me when I read in the paper or hear on the radio something like "there were 12 suspects arrested, two of which were islamic"
SO WHAT?! Why do they feel the need to point out that 2 of the 12 were islamic? What if the other 10 were catholic...thats the majority of the group, but no-one cares?. Islam is a religion of peace, and a pretty nice one at that. It's the extremists (as with any religion) that screws it up for everyone by screaming about their faith and blowing stuff up. |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:00am
lol, classic clark. and everybody else knows what he's talking about... I personally don't have a problem with it, and I truly believe that if i were Middle-Eastern, I would not be bothered by the fact that people see me as more dangerous/risky than everybody else. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:06am
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Actually, I repeat my question. Everybody in this thread so far is being vague and general, and probably aren't talking about the same thing. Are we talking about automatic extra screening for brown people at the airport? Or locking the car door when the black guy walks by? Or NOT screening white folks? Or arresting every black/brown person nearby when there is a crime nearby? Or what? "Profiling" is uselessly vague. A meaningful discussion requires better definition.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:09am
well first i need someone to define what the word 'is' means |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:21am
That isn't racial profiling. That is categorizing known peculiarities that have a much higher potential for causing something bad.
A reply someone at Fox News would be proud of.
To continue with the picture examples, Racial profiling would categorize subject A:  with this person:  Based on nothing more than thier skin color. Makes sense. I've been wondering when Condi will whip out her Sawed-off and rob a convinience store, only to shoot the clerk point blank in the head. -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:28am
| I'm sure we're only days away Gatyr...I mean look at her skin..LOOK AT IT! |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:29am
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:46am
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More to the point, most of the terrorist acts in the US have been committed by white Americans... That'd be one heck of a profiling effort. |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:59am
But those terrorist attacks did not take place at airports where they were screened. It's not logical to search a race that has committed the least amount of major attacks in a certain section of transportation *aviation*. The attacks in which people are searched have been committed predominantly by people of "brown" skin. And to your comment about locking your door when you see a black person. Incarceration rates per 100,000 in the United States. 
http://www.amren.com/store/colorcrime.htm - http://www.amren.com/store/colorcrime.htm |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:20am
Nurture, not nature. If any human grew up in a crime-ridden neighborhood, they'd be seven or eight times more likely to commit a crime. Let's look at serial killers now...they're almost always white. Honestly, I'm more afraid of some guy drugging and murdering me than I am of getting blown to hell by a terrorist. They manipulate and trick people. They're usually very intelligent, and have some sort of psychologicl disorder. Serial killers are most often like this by NATURE. Gacy, Ed Gein, Dennis Lynn Rader (BTK killer), David Berkowitz (Son of Sam), Charles Manson, Jack the Ripper (most likely white), Jeffrey Dahmer, and Ted Bundy...just to name a small percentage. Then there's the KKK, a TERRORIST organization. But somehow people seem to be blind to that. They preach just as much hate and prejudice and violence as extremist muslims. For christ sake, some members dragged a man by a rope from the end of their truck. In my opinion, that's equally as bad as cutting someone's head off (micahel berg). Then there's the Nazis and Neo-Nazis, do I even have to go into it? I, being white, would be very angry if I were singled out as a suspected serial killer, Nazi, or KKK member because of the fact that I'm white. I don't imagine it's any better for non-whites being accused of terrorism, crime, or any other illegal acts. In summation, I'm against racial profiling. We're far past that. Like Whale said, didn't we stop treatment like this in the 50's? ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 8:45am
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My dad has a beard and is pretty tan. Everytime I've flown with him they take him aside and ask questions. Racial profiling is also done to black people when police pull them over more often just for being in a nice car. ------------- |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 9:37am
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Ok, now we are getting somewhere. So by "racial profiling" we mean "screening selection at airports based on apparent race?" Because here is another kind of racial profiling, that might also be logical based on your chart: A crime is committed. The police immediately round up all the blacks in the area for questioning. Logical? Appropriate?
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Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 9:58am
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 10:50am
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 10:53am
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If they get BET how come we dont get WET? WHITE COLLEGE FUND NOW! |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 11:27am
It's thoughts like this that prevent us from getting past rascism. Everyone wants to blame ONE group. Islamists for blowing up airplanes, Blacks for robbing liquor stores, Whites for having the KKK, Hispanics for bringing drugs into the country. Well the real story is EVERYONE is responsible for crimes, sure maybe one race is statistically "more likely" to rob a liquor store, or cut someones head off. What do you propose we do about it? Make a seperate line at the airport for Arabs (And blacks I might add as a large portion of American Muslims are Poor African-Americans), make Black people use a drive through at the ABC store, arrest every Hispanic you know, and make all the white people stay under constant psychological evaluations? It's just not feasible. /rant. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 11:30am
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im dont think we need racial profiling with people and cars, to be honest i dont care much about that, although there have been incidents with vans, but thats all i would really care about. a black guy driving a mercedes doesnt bother me im talking about additional screening at airports and other security points where foreigners enter the country. |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:06pm
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:10pm
| ^^thats very true |
Posted By: JohnnyCanuck
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 12:13pm
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Britain is considering this very thing,.. http://www.kxmb.com/getARticle.asp?ArticleId=34243 - http://www.kxmb.com/getARticle.asp?ArticleId=34243 ------------- Imagine there’s a picture of your favourite thing here. |
Posted By: Mateo
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 1:13pm
| i think you just need to pick out the crazy people. like the kkk, some guy from maine named chad who wears holister isnt probaly racist, but jim bob with his jeff foxworthy shirt and confederate hat most likely is. black:any balck man either gangstar or in a suit are mostly likely not racist. but a guy with all african dress all that suff might be. if any body looks a little suspicous screen them,arrest them, give them the works |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 1:47pm
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racial profiling is alive just as it was long ago, to some extent at least. I went to busch gardens in williamsburg with one other friend that was white, and two that are indian, but both born and raised in america. My other friend who was white and i, walked through the gate and the man told us, you do NOT need to have your bags searched, have a nice day at busch gardens. Two indian friends are next. " You NEED to have your bags searched today. Now we're only 15 and 16 and american, not terrorists. We had a laugh about it, but it was complete racial profiling. It's everywhere we go. I'll admit that when I see someone who looks middle eastern, or is wearing traditional clothing from the middle east, or clothing from america that isnt anywhere near what we were today, i feel apprehensive, i steer clear of them, racial profiling? Not really, more of being cautious. Again, when I'm out late at night, I see a group of black kids from the neighborhood, i ride my bike a little faster, regardless of their skin color, I don't want to get jumped, it wouldnt matter if they were white or black. In Conclusion, people should be cautious around people who's "races" have a tendancy for X thing. Should we search everyone? That's all up to the company, or airline, and unless we have something to hide, why not let our bags be searched? |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:39pm
Thats
not racial profiling, thats simply sterotyping...which I have mixed
feelings on. It's more acceptable than "OMG NEGRO! KILL IT B/C HE
PROBABLY JUST ROBBED A CHURCH'S CHICKEN"
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 2:50pm
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Actually, I believe that is very false. How stupid do you think the terrorists are? My recollection may be a little shaky, but I do not believe that even one of the 9/11 hijackers were decked out in "super allah gear". On the contrary, they were generally dressed quite American, and had rather modest beards if any at all. If you were going to commit a terrorist act in the US, don't you think you would leave the super allah gear at home? |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 3:03pm
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im talking bout the whole airport thing with the middle easterners so gatyr ure wasting your time..anyway wats worse? causing middle eastern looking people inconvenience or oh i dont kno something like 911 happen all over were 300 to 3000 inoccent people die.... -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 3:07pm
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Clearly you aren't fully understanding the basics of the US constitution. |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 4:22pm
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abount invading peoples privacy? i think thats justified if u save hundreds of lives -------------
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 5:05pm
"Gangsta'" Black people are some of the most racist people around these parts of the woods. ------------- 
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 5:14pm
| Short answer, no. |
Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 18 August 2006 at 7:44pm
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hmm, i think its very wrong, but it kinda makes sense, i think it should be done subtley(sp?)
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Posted By: God Of War
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 2:33pm
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lol idk y but this thread makes me think of malibu's most wanted when the arab pulls the rocket launcher out of the car ------------- Semper Fi 98custom 14" Proggressive barrel 20 oz C02 tank R/T kit EmpireII auto hopper |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 4:05pm
YA!! IM WHITE IM ENTITALED TO THESE THINGS.  |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 4:42pm
You're an idiot. Read please.
I was actually hoping to get Clark's thoughts on what I had written. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 7:02pm
| I generally agree with your rant - but I am a little unclear on your position on specific applications of profiling... |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 7:17pm
Well, I was just pointing out some of the stupid generalizations that had been pointed out in the thread. Even if one race, gender, religion, etc. is slightly more statistically "prone" to commit a certain type of crime, does not mean that you can put barriers across that particular "genre" of person's life. |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 7:41pm
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 12:18am
You seem to be getting basic constitutional rights and security mixed up. Is it worth it to wait in line a couple more minutes at the airport to feel more safe? Yes. Is it worth security singling out a single race based on nothing more than their skin and not giving them the basic rights promised by the document that makes the US better than Canadia? You should move if you say yes. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 12:29am
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It's obvious: Blacks rob convenience stores that are always run by plane-jacking Arabs, who's brother is a conspiring techie for Microsoft, consoling the innocent white bystander who just got his computer jacked by an obviously illegal Mexican which was mowing his lawn. Duh. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: God Of War
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 6:16pm
that was extremly racist....extremly ------------- Semper Fi 98custom 14" Proggressive barrel 20 oz C02 tank R/T kit EmpireII auto hopper |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 6:18pm
You're extremely bad at picking up a joke...extremely. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 6:22pm
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Only whites should be allowed on planes.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 6:25pm
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It works. Ask Isreal. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 7:17pm
What about Sam Jackson? |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 8:31pm
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lmfao -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 9:14pm
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This train of thought scares me. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 10:29pm
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:02pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:45pm
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Sorry buddy, but Gatyr has a point. In fact, Clark has even challenged and owned you a few times. You might want to back off. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 8:57pm
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Gatyr>you. Battlefreak, you have many times gotten into such arguments, and each time, you never proved your point, but instead resorted to namecalling and slander. GTFO ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:15pm
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no ive made my points and i guess i dont make myself clear enuf but sometimes i get ticked lol , im just a vary short temperd person my bad but u are right i should stop lookin at these stupid posts i just get angery -------------
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:18pm
Then I am sure you would agree communism is a whole lot safer than our government. Or a strict totalitarian-goverment type rule? I'm sure when armed guards are forcing everyone to abide by the rules or be shot, you would feel much safer than wher someone has a constitutional right to have their privacy. I'm the one trying to uphold the constitution, and you tell me to leave the country. who was it that said something about whoever is willing to give up their freedoms for a little bit of safety deserve neither freedom nor safety? Ben Franklin sounds right, but I dont know exactly. -------------
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:28pm
i see what u say u have a good point i give u that (and i just said i was gonna back off..) but i dont belive in that, ure makeing a generalization wen u say that but so am i, anyway i just think if people looking to be of middle eastern decent should be checked more throughly then others with all the conflict and the iranian president saying he wants to wipe the US and isreal off the map, and thats my point and obviously ure not gonna change my mind and im not gonna change ures so have a nice day  -------------
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:05pm
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*You. *Your. *You're. *Yours. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:18pm
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*There. *Their. *They're. |
Posted By: Viper323
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:30pm
| Not to be rascist or anything but seriously, if you see a family that is going to disney land and two guys named Muhammad yelling Allah, who are you going to be more suspicious of? |
Posted By: rossy11223
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:36pm
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:45pm
I dont konw about you, but I hear plenty of white people yell "GOD", does that mean I have reason to believe that the said white people are going to kill thousands of people in his name? What about when they yell "JESUS CHRIST"? I gess we have to suspect half of the US. Jesus Christ. >_> <_< -------------
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