RevoXT wrote: I finally tested out my Flatline's "TRUE" shot groupings.. to my suprise, it is horrific, shots are NEVER together and they are always about a foot to 8 inch's apart... is this the sacrifice of accuracy for range?

Tight groups are accomplished with consistent shot to shot velocity which is accomplished by consistente shot to shot pressure. You are using CO2 which, at best, is prone to pressure spikes and shoot down from chilling.

At the minimum you have to run a good CO2 regulator. Best is to switch to HPA and a secondary regulator.

You didn't give the distance at which you got your poor results. With my Flatline, (shooting inside, so no wind drift) cleaned and using HPA with a Palmer LP reg and and a LPK I get 9 shots out of 10 all on an 8 inch paper plate at 60 measured yards. (Nelson Hemorrhage paint) I have seen nothing that shoots better...the Flatline just requires a bit more care.

tippmannfreak wrote: depends what you play. i play mainly speedball so i have absolutely no use for it. even when i play woods i can't see too many opportunites for one. the thought of being able to shoot farther than anybody is the biggest part of the flatline, once you do rock somebody from the far end of the field, they'll wake up and realize they're not safe and you won't have anymore sucker shots to capitalize on. just my opinion.

Long distance is not the primary reason for the Flatline. The flat trajectory, the ability to shoot under a low hanging limb or between limbs, is the real advantage. Not having to compensate for the arcing trajectory of  a standard barrel offers more advantage than distance. The ability to actually hit the point of aim, the ability to actually use sights rather than watch the arching trajectory for a couple of shots to compensate and get on target.

Problems with a Cyclone when running LP is a problem with the lack of knowledge of the user (or the technician installing it), not the fact that it is LP.

Why ask questions here if you are going to disqualify the answers. There are many people on this forum with experience on the A-5 LP conversion...many with much more than many repairmen...certified or not.

You act like Tippmann is just pulling a scam by offering the LP kit. When a LP Kit is install in an A-5 by someone who is actually qualified or who has taken the time to read the available literature the function is as smooth as silk with LONGER intervals between adjustments.

RevoXT wrote: From what I've been reading Bruce, you have to modify the gun quite a bit more after installing the LPK to get it to run smoothly.... it's not just buy the kit, install, and play.

Usually, people who are not having a problem don't post.

I installed the A-5 LPK myself, and I am no technical genius.  Took about an hour altogether.

Took the gun to the range and started blasting away.  I had to re-tweak my RT to reset the sweetspot, but that was it.

Others may have had problems, but I don't see what the big deal is.  Whether the LPK is worth it is another question entirely, but it certainly isn't rocket science to install.

As to Flatline accuracy - I certainly agree with Bruce that the main benefit is the flat trajectory, which makes it so much easier to aim.  But in terms of ball-hitting-target accuracy, I must say that my quality straight barrels are much more accurate than the Flatline, at least with my PMI Premium paint.

RevoXT wrote: Alright, I'll take it to the chrono and adjust the velocity then post again in this topic if anything is wrong, I do know I am sacrificeing accuracy for range, but personally the extra range does wonders and the flat-trajectory is just amazing. (Still thinkin'bout gettin the Apex though)

Strictly speaking you are not sacraficing accuracy for range. At normal ranges your Flatline should be as accurate as any barrel. Mine is.

When you take those long shots the ball is slowing and more susceptible to even the slightest wind current. You are taking a shot with the Flatline that you would likely not attempt with any other barrel.  I can attest to the barrels accuracy from some extensive long range testing inside a large warehouse. The marker was sand bagged in place to assure shot to shot repeatability.

At over 200 feet I could put a majority of my shots on a paper plate (7 out of 10). I cannot do that outside. The barrel is very accurate even at that extended  range, but there is just too much happening to the ball after such a long flight.

Distance and accuracy is what everyone wants out of there barrel.  Getting both is just asking to much.  All barrels will give you the same amount of distance no matter how long, with the exception of the Flatline and Apex.  This both put backspin on the ball causing it to "sail" farther.  The downside is you sacrifice accuracy.  Because these barrels put backspin on the ball, when it begins to lose velocity the spin becomes unstable and causes them to veer towards the end of their flight path. 

If youa ask me, I'd take accuracy over distance any day.

MilSimBaller wrote: If youa ask me, I'd take accuracy over distance any day.

My experience is that one is not sacrificing accuracy for distance, but then I spend a LOT of time getting everything perfect on my marker.

But, the day you take that shot that is half again as far as any you would attempt with your ordinary barrel...with the guy so far away that he is not even ducking behind a bunker 'cause he KNOWS no one can reach him...and "pop" there is a great big splat on his goggles...

Then, as his curses waft across the battle field (who the heck shot me?) you'll think, "Man, I want to do that again," and you're hooked on that backspinning "inaccurate" barrel.

would anyone reccomend the lpk with an egrip/ape rage?

i like 3 round burst and i have the flatline. i want more accuracy so i am looking into other products that may help my a-5. some have said not to go lpk with e-triggers.

i am new to low pressure kits. their main purpose is to maintain a certain level of psi, right?

murthoj wrote: would anyone reccomend the lpk with an egrip/ape rage? i like 3 round burst and i have the flatline. i want more accuracy so i am looking into other products that may help my a-5. some have said not to go lpk with e-triggers. i am new to low pressure kits. their main purpose is to maintain a certain level of psi, right?

try not to bump posts a couple years old.

kurieitaa wrote: try not to bump posts a couple years old.

or 10 days for that matter

Ace_Of_Spades wrote: kurieitaa wrote: try not to bump posts a couple years old. or 10 days for that matter

He's a noob with a ghetto-marker.  He doesn't know any better. 

Cypher5601 wrote: LMAO STORMY is stalking me !! No autographs today sorry!

so then you must be stalking the stalker seeing that you post something right after him all the time