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Topic: atheism
Posted By: bassist11
Subject: atheism
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 3:57am
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Ok. I got to thinking today and thought, is there really such thing as an atheist? How can you believe there is no god? Maybe if you were raised from day one that there is no gods. But a lot of atheist's are usually ex-catholic or ex-hindu or used to be in a different religion. Now if you were taught there is a god for most of your life and you just suddenly decide you don't believe in gods one day, isn't that just ignorance? How can you believe there is nothing when you know there is? Let's hear some thoughts. ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952"> 
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:05am
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I'll break my points up for ease.
1. I am an atheist, and it is infinitely easier for me to lack a belief in a 'god' than to suspend my intelligence. 2. Aren't you just baiting people? I mean:
3. Question for you: How do you reconcile your belief in something that you cannot prove exists? |
bassist11 wrote:Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:09am
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were you anything before you became an atheist? and you kind of are ignorant if you knew there is a god. you can't unlearn something. you can try and push it away and forget about it but you can't unlearn it. you have knowledge that there is a god and you deny it. ignorance. ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:10am
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:14am
I was raised in a house where free thinking was encouraged, my parents did not push either atheism, or any religion, except some judaism, from my fathers side. |
Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:16am
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so you had knowledge of a god but you just didn't care. ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:18am
My most vivid memories of grade school are debating with other tiny kids about why they believed the way they did. None of them ever provided a sufficient answer. EDIT: Why do I smell troll? |
Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:23am
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but atheism isn't logical either. how can you prove that there is no god? ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:30am
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:50am
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even though i don't like the name, i am an athiest as well. it makes more sence to make up a story about "god", than for it to actually happen. Noah's Arc for example. He got 2 of every single animal from all over the world into a boat that HE ALONE built. What did the carnivores eat if there where only 2 of each animal? Where did they poop? What prevented the deformities of inbreeding? Logical christian answer would be "god watched over them". Well, How come god isn't watching over us now? Why are children born retarded and not offered a complete life? Why are people supposedly sent to hell for an eternity of nothing but torture and pain, but then god still loves them? When i was a kid, i thought God was real. I also thought Santa was real, as well as the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and everything on TV. Did anyone tell me they didn't exist? No, i figured it out myself. I did the same thing with christianity. Sorry about sounding bitter, guys, but i don't like to be called ignorant. Beleive what you want, i don't mean for everyone to convert. I'll respect your choices if you'll respect mine. ------------- X |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:17am
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One thing that's always irked me is: Where did God come from? How did he come to be?
I've gotten a few different answersin the past, but I'm interested in yours, bassist. By the way, if you're going to use the answer "He was just there" could you explain it a little bit? ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:20am
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Taken from the HHGG: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing. |
Posted By: uruz6
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:50am
Very good point you have there. Personally, I'm an Agnotist, don't know, don't really care... But my brother however is an Athiest and he has brought up many points before. Just because most of us were indeed raised in a church, it dosent mean that we're all going to believe in God. Ever heard the saying, "Don't believe everything you hear." When you read the bible everything sounds like a bloody, gruesome fairy tale, not some story of life's creation and "heaven on earth", if you will. But then again, I'm a strong believer in life after death and the supernatural. There are things in my life that have happened to me that make me be an agnotist and nothing more or less so tis hard for me to come to any kind of a conclusion. The main beef I have with "God" and "Heaven and Hell" is that if the God were any kind of a father he would love all his children as equals. Sending some to heaven and some to hell is simply playing a game of favourites... Why would any true father wish to send his child to an etrnity of horrible suffering while sending others to an etrnity of happiness? Anyone else agree with me on this point? I once heard this joke from a friend of mine, "God says that he can do anything and makes NO mistakes, so with this said he could microwave a burrito SO hot that he, himself, couldn't eat it until it cooled down. But if this is the case then he wouldn't be able to do something and he's either lying to us or he dosen't exist." Yes, its meant to be funny but its horribly accurate. It got me thinking actually, sad but true. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 10:58am
Hard to disagree with that... |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 11:42am
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As I scanned your post, my impression was that your basically asking, for those that were once believers in God, why have you changed you mind?
Does Santa Claus ring a bell? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 11:45am
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That's obviously completely different, Hades. Obviously. Duh.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 11:49am
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Search on google for Digg.com Penn Teller bible is It should bring up a link for a video that gives plenty of good reasons to be atheist. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 11:56am
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So, let me get this straight, you don't like being called ignorant... but this comment is fine? How about this... if you don't believe in God... don't push it down my throat or insult my intelligence or suspension thereof. In return, I won't push my deism down your throat or call you a moron. |
Posted By: uruz6
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 1:08pm
I don't know, I kind of like his way of thinking with that, mainly for the humour aspect of it however ------------- 
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Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 1:51pm
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God doesn't send people to hell. Their own actions send them to hell. That's why god still loves those people. ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 2:12pm
I had planned to stay out of all these "born ghey" and religion debates, mainly because there are only a small number of people on this forum whose oppinions I value, but I think this is an interesting topic. Now, my thoughts on this are not only theological, but scientific as well. I think it was Einstein that said time is like a curve. Much like that of a lense, which is one of the reasons that he said time TRAVEL would be impossible, but viewing the future may be feasable one day. I'm adlibbing(sp?) a little big, but you get the idea. Here's my thought; Imagine that each universe or "dimension" depending on the way evertyhing works together, is it's own "lense" and time operates through each lense. If every universe/"dimension" is on the same "plane" of other-space, then what is to say that God cannot also exist there? In the Bible it says that God has always been, but maybe that is the only way to explain it to an entity(people) that exist entirely in a time-based universe. Think about it, the only reason time even matters to us is becaues of entropy(the depletion of energy, it can be applied to anything. Batteries, People, Universes...) and change, ie. Growing up, dying, decaying, etc. In my view, God exists within this other-space, and is not effected by entropy then he is truly an Immortal and we cannot grasp his true existence because we are locked withing time. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 2:15pm
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Well, I will admit that is a rather interesting theory USAFpilot.
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 2:52pm
about noahs arc...about the poop thing...the lowest level of the arc was where they stored the poop. And yes they brought 2 of every animal onto the arc, but they did need food for the carnivors, so they brought food for them. All they needed was 2, a male and a female to reproduce and all that jazz. Man that didnt make any sence but thats the best i can explaine it... other then that, i have a question for the athiests in this forum. you dont believe in God or a god. So you dont believe in anything. So do you believe there isnt a God? obviosly you believe there isnt a god so you believe in something. right? that didnt make sence either but ya...anyway im a Christian just to put that in there....anyway ill be back later...got to go to work... ------------- http://imageshack.us">  
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 2:59pm
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duh styro... where do you think the term "poop deck" came from.
btw bassist, no one actually 'knows' that a god exists... that's why it's called faith. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 3:45pm
Please tell me you don't believe this and that this thread is one big joke. You're saying that just because we had learned something before still makes it true after our beliefs change? So...someone raised as a Buddhist, taught completely different ideals from you, then converts to Christianity, would be ignorant because he now believes in a god that didn't exist in his prior beliefs? That is basically your thought process but backwards, and it's still stupid. I was baptised Methodist, and now am the furthest thing from it. I am an atheist and fully believe that what I had been taught prior was wrong...not my thoughts now. It's not about unlearning anything...it's about following a different path. |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 3:54pm
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My reasoning for disbelief in religion, Christianity in particular, is because it allows no room for growth. Science gets proven wrong all the time. It learns from this and continues on for the best. That is the same model I choose to live my life by. I respect science, I am not a Scientologist.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 3:56pm
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Quite a large difference there. Unfortunately, Scientology has nothing to do with the vast leaps and bounds of the scientific community. It actually deals more with a "science fiction" style. |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:03pm
It was my understanding that Scientology made you pay for basic self-help information. They teach you a way to structure your life so you can be happy, much like Christianity. It is my opinion that a self-help book makes a much better bible then the one written from the word of god. They are written by modern professionals and they are more direct. Where the Bible hints at how to live in the "moral of the story", a self-help book will go out and tell you. You will likely get the same results. A better feeling for yourself which is often muddled up and called "the grace of god". ------------- |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:05pm
That's an interesting take on it, but one I can see. I guess I've just stopped paying attention to religion. It works for some and not for others. However, just because you were brought up with religion by no means makes you not a "true atheist." |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:23pm
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Hitman - unless, of course, the "self-help" books in question are completely counter-scientific. Then they are just harmful. But that is perhaps another subject. On point - I suspect many people in the US tend to misapply the term "atheist", both religious folk and self-described "atheists". A true atheist would be one that affirmatively believes that there is no god - yet I hear the term often apply to essentially any non-Christian, or non-religious person. Kind of the you-are-with-us-or-against-us mentality. This false dualism doesn't allow for the proper and full range of spirituality and belief. Many of the disgruntled ex-Christians in this thread, for instance, would (I suspect) not fall within a proper definition of "atheist", but would simply be merely "non-Christian" or "a-religious". "Religious" and "atheist" are not the only choices. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:25pm
Very true. Many people disbelieving in organized religion may still question the existence of a higher power, thus not actually an atheist. Others may simply not have a formulated opinion, and others may yet still be considered agnostic. |
Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 4:54pm
I agree. That's the first decent response I've heard to that question. But still, despite all of the science in that answer, none of it can be proved or disproved. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:24pm
thats like me telling you that there is a purple girraffe named Yeldar who lives in my room. now you KNOW its there, so how can you not believe me? |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:44pm
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My thing with "god" is... I'f I'm to truly believe what the bible says. then God is the biggest serial killer and hypocrite to have ever exsisted. 1. The 5th commandment states thou shalt not murder, well then what do you call flooding the entire planet and killing everyone but 8 people... and not to mention all the other instances like when he sent a storm of fire to wipe out those 2 cities. The bible says its cuz everybody was wicked and evil and junk... they're practicing god's promise of free will, if he didnt want us to sin dont give us the option. 2. There is absolutly NO proof that there is or ever has been a god. I mean really... how is there gunna be a random magicall man who has always been in exsistance and got bored one day and created this. 3. (styro kinda beat me to this one with that whole love his people yet send em to hell cuz he can...) 4. God admitted he was a jelous god, soo how can he say he is jelous, and perfect at the same time? doesnt make sence to me so somthing in the bible is wrong... and if we know there are things wrong in the bible. We dont know what we really can or cannot trust. 5. If he truly loved us, why would he make it possible to sin, its not like we would care either way if we didnt know what it was. Its not like this weeds out the bad people, If there was no sin, there would be no bad people. Now I was formerly a christian, I was raised in a christian home, went to church every week. I did believe what i was being taught... but slowly i started thinking about it and questioning things (somthing most christians think they do but dont.) And I honestly dont believe any of the religions or theories out ther about how the world/universe got here. I dont know, frankly dont care that much. I'm here to live my life while im here and have fun doin it. Nit as it stands, I consider myself an aithiest and dont belive in a god. ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:48pm
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:48pm
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Isn't it ignorant to believe everything you're told?
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:50pm
But Cedric, isn't thinking for yourself hardwork? ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:51pm
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I would have to disagree - atheism specifically and literally means "un-god-ism". It is not the mere lack of belief, but the specific belief that there is no god. Simple non-belief falls into the larger category of agnosticism. |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:57pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:57pm
Erm, have you ever talked to someone in your church about those reasons? There really are good answers for that. ------------- 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 5:59pm
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:08pm
Its estimated it took him about 120 years to build... There was 7 of many animals to sacrifice, fyi. How much breeding usually takes place over 40 days? As for the second round of questions, Im not sure. But just because I dont know, doesnt mean no one does. -------------
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:10pm
Go to your church, ask the preacher. He'll be more than happy to help you, and he'll give much better reasoning. -------------
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:16pm
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Dune is a heretic.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:16pm
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^ i like how people tell you, you are wrong but they cant tell you how your wrong... ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:16pm
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How does Noah live 120 years when living to thirty was considered an uncommon phenomenon back then? Useless question because I believe it's a lie and don't care about the answer. I just don't see how any human could believe that.
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:18pm
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I thought Noah was supposed to be around 400 years old.
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:19pm
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Im not saying you are wrong, Im just saying that if you want to cross christianity off your life list, you should at least do it the justice of really finding flaws. I cant write off evolution by saying that I dont understand how male/female came into play, just beause some random person cant explain it to me. -------------
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:20pm
Going by the bible, people lived to be 750-950 back then. Then after the flood god cut the lifespan way back. I have no proof, but whatever. -------------
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:22pm
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Why didn't Noah put any cool animals in America, why are all the kangaroos and giraffes in other countries?
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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:23pm
thank you for saying that, its very true i just dont need anything to look up to, plead to, or judge me. i will live my life based on the laws of the country i live in. and science will be my way to answer questions. ------------- 
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:23pm
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^ well first you hae to belive the bible to accept that... ^^ yes well i dont believe in evolution either... ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:24pm
Cause they couldnt swim : P -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:24pm
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Props to Jim for complete honesty. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:25pm
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Kangaroos can deffinatly swim. I made a thread about it.
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:30pm
Thanks. The 120 years really caught me off guard because I really don't know all that much about the bible. My parents were ex-christian turned hippies now entrepeurners. The reason why my mother left Christianity because on the big day that you get accepted into the church as an adult is supposed to be one of the biggest days of your life and the people there are your new family. But as she was being inducted she looked out at the audience of Church goers and noticed the complete indifference in their stare. These people were supposed to be her new family and friends and they didn't give a crap about her. ------------- |
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:36pm
Easy, in the time the Bible was written, calanders were WAY different then they are now. The Aztecs (or Mayans, cant remember) were the closest of the ancient people to the modern day calander. -------------
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 6:55pm
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:03pm
Atheist. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:52pm
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:54pm
Yeah! whats up with that!?! ------------- 
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 8:03pm
noah lived to be around 900... ------------- http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:08pm
And someone that quoted me. Dont forget that someone. -------------
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:13pm
Never forget  -------------
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:16pm
Methusula. (sp?) ------------- 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:23pm
Too soon man, too soon. |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:44pm
Einstein proved the curvature of time. |
Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 9:57pm
lol -------------
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Posted By: benttwig33
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 11:47pm
strong point though, I agree If you once knew something, you cant unlearn it....only forget. ------------- Sig is WAY too big. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:02am
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I'm athiest because I have read the bible and it does not make any sort of logicla sense to me. I've looked at things under various different sects of christianity too, it's not like I just one day decided that I would not believe in god. I tried many of the christian religions and I couldn't bring myself to follow any of them.
Unlike most I have actally read the book that the faiths are based off of and I just couldn't do it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Salem
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:29am
first amd foremost let me state that I am not supporting either arguement here. Simply offering knowledge, and correcting misconceptions. First of all everyone, the "noah had 2 of every animal story" is completely wrong. The misconception comes from the passage that states the animals entered the ark 2 by 2. I belive it stated that of every "clean" animal he took 12-14. The deformities of inbreeding? First off lets discuss why inreeding may cause deformities. A basic reason is that close relatives carry very similar genetic codes. If that code code carries genetic recessive flaws, those flaws are much more likely to be expressed in their offspring than if the code was crossed with anothers who didnt carry the same flaws. So why didnt this occur in the limited gene pool of noahs ark? A lack of genetic flaws is the answer. Retardation and deformities nowadays are so prevalent because we have had so much time for our genetic codes to mutate. Noah ark was supposedly a time long ago back when the earth was relatively young. The chances of producing misformed off spring from inbreeding were most likely slim to none. When you look at it this way you can basically remove god's "looking after" from this question and still have a logical scientific and sensible answer. ------------- 
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Posted By: uruz6
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:35am
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:50am
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Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:57am
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exactly. ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:07am
ME! ME! ME! White o Light, you're a true American. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:20am
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i don't believe in a god, i was raised christian, and i have studied many other religions. but yet i still do not believe in a higher power. it is the same reason as you hearing/reading/understanding all the scientific knowledge on evolution or anyother "against the book" science and rejecting it. that is just the same type of ignorance in the blantant face of information. same argument but different side. understand? |
Posted By: Salem
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 10:04am
So by choosing to create a person a certain way, put them in a certain enviornment (already knowing the path we will take and the decisions we will make) god is predestinating if a person will go to heaven or hell. The only way for this not to be true. Would be for god to create people at random and be totally blind to their outcomes. But that doesnt make sense either because the bible says that god has a grand plan. And for a plan to work people must be put into, and play out their roles. So in my opinion, according to the bible, there is really no such thing as free will. Thoughts please? I want to see if someone has an opinion that can counter mine. Because I cant really see a way around this other than to say, "god is mysterious and we dont understand him"
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 11:26am
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I am starting to get alittle bit more spiritual becuase of my girlfriend. The problem being people confuse spirituality and religiousness together nowadays. The line is too far blurred. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:40pm
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Free Willy...
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 12:48pm
Too Soon man, too soon. |
Posted By: rdcisneros3
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:00pm
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Sorry to say it, but that's a very silly reason for your mother to leave Christianity. If she was ready to become a member of a Christian church it was because she had experienced a change in her life and had accepted Chirst as her personal savior. The actions or indifferent stares of fellow churchgoers shouldn't affect her personal resolve. I can see why she would choose another Christian church to join, but it doesn't make sense for her to "leave" her religion or change her mind about the personal decision that she made. ------------- Donny Cisneros |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:31pm
In many cases this isn't a decision. If you are raised to believe the Bible as fact you are going to think that Christianity is the only option in life. You don't want to go to hell. You don't decide to be Christian as a kid. You parents either force you or scare you into it. That was the first moment she started questioning her faith. For her entire life she was just a blind follower. Her parents raised her that God was real and God was great. But when she started becoming an adult this was the first event that made her realize that Christianity is just a religion full of hypocrits. She is probably the nicest person I know. She doesn't need to reason to be nice except that she wants to be. All humans should be good people. They shouldn't need the fear of God to be a good person. Thats how we see it. If she dies and at the off chance there is a God, god would be an asshole for sending her to hell. ------------- |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:43pm
There is a circular argument to this opinionthat I really dont want to get into(mostly because I cant remember what it was, but it was a thread in itself a while ago), but you basically said what I believe. -------------
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Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:44pm
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i have another question. what do atheists believe happens when they die? ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:48pm
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:53pm
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Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:55pm
o so you turn into worms? ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 1:56pm
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 2:08pm
Your body rots in the ground. ------------- |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 2:13pm
Dude, I totally just blew your argument out of the water! |
Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 2:29pm
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But what happens to your consciousness? Is everything that you are whiped out like a candle? Even if I wasn't a christian, I think I'd have a hard time grasping that concept and everything it entails. |
Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 2:31pm
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so nothing happens when you die. thats it? you just rot away? thats kinda depressing no? ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 2:35pm
usafpilot - You know the part of your sleep where you don't dream? I'm thikning it's like that, no thought occurs, you are just dead. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 2:43pm
Selfish? The universe will last a really long time. One human lifespan is probably like .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000001% of .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000001% of the length of one theoretical big bang to the next. I definately don't believe it's selfish to want to be mortal as much as possible. ------------- 
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Posted By: bassist11
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:00pm
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ya and besides. you don't get an "extra" life. you go to heaven. and it isn't selfish cause god gives it to us. ------------- http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5504952">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:06pm
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What does depressing have anything to do with it? Unless the reason for your faith is just to make you feel better...? |
Posted By: CQB_NINja
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:14pm
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aw man, i came in way to late to read the other 4 pages... How can anyone proove a god? Everything about religion is just stories to live by, an imposed sense of moral. People who disbelieve a certain god, like the christian god, have maybe just got to thinking. I dont believe in the type of god everyone talks about, but i do feel its important to have some form of faith. I believe in some form of higher power that is sick of everyone asking him for stuff. You cant believe anything people say about 2000 years ago, religion is full of holes. The real God would want you to enjoy (in moderation) things like drugs, sex, alcohol, not being constantly living in fear of going to hell, because he gave us a sense of pleasure. Christianity was made by whoever to keep people from acting like animals, tho still barbaric in nature. so having faith= good believing biblical stories to a literal sense = plain silly. ------------- *TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC* *POP...POP* "HIT"...>=[ |
Posted By: CQB_NINja
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:21pm
I belive your conscious is released in the form of how you feel. If you feel youve lived an exciting fulfilling life, and you accept your death as happening in the right moment, your conscious will go on in a dream world. If you believe your a bad person and you felt like everything you did was wrong, youd probably live in an uncomftable dream untill you learned how to live. I cant say for sure what kind of dream you have, and its waay more complex that the above statement. basicly ghosts who are lost in life, and spirits whove lived a good life and watch over people, and progression of a soul where, youve learned a lot in your life, and you come back as either the same kind of person, the oppostie kind of person, maybe your favorite animal. Not simply "Heaven if you just sit there and dont do anything because living life and being happy is a sin" or "HELL if you ever enjoy something too much" ------------- *TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC-TIC* *POP...POP* "HIT"...>=[ |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:47pm
Beat me to it Clark. But the point still stands, why do we have to want more after we die. When we die, that's it, the time we have is while we're alive and I don't feel like making myself believe in something else just so I won't have to face the fact that cells age and die, then rot away. The energy in a person dissapates and a person is truly gone. |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 3:56pm
I don't mean going to heaven. I mean living life as a mortal again, on Earth or elsewhere, as many times as possible. -------------
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