For all the Military guys...
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Topic: For all the Military guys...
Posted By: *Stealth*
Subject: For all the Military guys...
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:09pm
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Do any of you know if there is any sort of option or procedure for a photographer to embedd into unit of soldiers for photographic purposes? I'm interested to see if there is any means that I could get myself in a situation where I can photograph war, With out actualy being a soldier. I dont want to fight for a political crap fest, But I would love to document it. I'm just curious to know if any of you mili guys have heard of any such option for a civilian photographer, Or perhaps have some information that might point me in the right direction. Probly just a ridiculous idea, But I thought I'd ask to make sure. |
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Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:11pm
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RIDICULOUS....RIDICULOUS IS THE WORD
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:14pm
lol, I said RED diculous. I'll go ahead and call myself a moron for that. |
BooksAndLeaves wrote:Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:19pm
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most embedded reporters from what i've been told from guys who've gone to iraq were with news sources, like nbc. other than being affiliated with something like that, no idea. you could always write them and ask if theyll let you say your with them, agree to give them copies and rights to photos, mabye that would work |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:21pm
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you should use you stealthy powers so u dont get shot... ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:22pm
I plan to my friend. Oh yes, I plan to. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:23pm
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ill bet thats what nicolas berg said.... |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:24pm
Nicolas Berg was'nt named Stealth. |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:24pm
| I think you have to have atleast a press pass. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:26pm
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yea i think so, there are guys from cnn and nbc over there, i dont see why you couldnt join their crew and volunteer to go over, you should email them or something, or the military |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:52pm
You mean Asterisk, Stealth, Asterisk. The asterisks enhance the stealthiness. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 10:55pm
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 11:00pm
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Is true. Very true. |
Posted By: DarkSideEchoes
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 1:04am
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I wouldn't enjoy doing that. Just imagine if you were in the heat of battle documenting, and everyone around you gets their heads blown off. I would rather fight than be the hostage who survives with "valuable footage." Just my two cents. ------------- 
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 1:28am
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 9:20am
Call the military like posted above. They'll probably be able to tell you what to do. Make sure you talk to a recruiter though. They may be able to get you into a MOS of battlefiled photography 
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 11:03am
Fixed. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 4:44pm
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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 11:22pm
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use your *stealth* skillz to sneak into a unit,take pics with them for a year or too, and return to the us using those same skills......
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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 1:24am
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I would enlist as an 11B infantry....and then tell your drill instructors that it's cool...."I'm with the press" and see how far that gets you.
As soon as you die from heat stroke...come back here and let us know how it went. What a dumbass.... Volunteer you MORON....do something for your country...and then be an ARTIST. Don't expect your country to ENABLE you as an Artist.... Christ....I am ranting....my fault....morons get my dander up. ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 1:40am
------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 1:55am
Shut the hell up. Who the hell are you to call me a moron with out having a piece of an idea what I want to do or why. I dont care if you are enlisted, you're no better then a bum judging me by face value. No, I dont want to enlist and fight some BS war for some politcal agenda. However if a country attacks ours and poses a real threat, I'll be the first to join up. I am a photographer, It is what I do, it's my career. I wanted to see if any one could explain to me if there is a possability for pursueing a route to war field documention, with out being in edentured servitude to the goverment, and you chew my ass out about it. I even said in my original post that it was probly a stupid idea, and you neglected to even note that. I was just trying to garnesh some information on the subject, so I could possably view it as a oppurtunity, Simple. I just wanted information. Instead, You feel all high and mighty because you're enlisted, you feel like you have the right to freely call others morons strictly on the basis of them asking a simple question. You sir, whether you are in the military or not have just struck me as a ignorent, overzealous, bafoon for your ludicrous reaction. I thank you for freely enlisting to fight in the name of our country, but you need to work on you're civilian attitude, and further... Why the hell would some one want to consider joining the military if they find out the people who are in it, are people like you. Consider what you demonstrate before you preach to others. Further yet, are you to dare say, documenting our troops would do the country no good, expecialy if I chose to do it in a tasteful, non agenda driven fashion? Who are you to define what is good and what is'nt for our country? I'm not asking for a free ride, I'm not asking any one to give it to me on a silver platter. I'm all up for training if it was required of me. I'll do what needs to be done, if it so takes my fancy. Get your facts strait and consider your own mindsett before you call others morons. Maybe then you can actualy help alittle, instead of being a pain in the ass. |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 2:09am
go jack off in a corner whilst dreaming of high and tights. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 8:30am
Doesnt everyone say they'll be the first to join when we are attacked? Well I say we were already attacked what five years ago? Maybe not by a nation, but an organization that is supported by nations. Personally I could careless if you joined or not. But I just hear that kind of statement all the time. |
Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 10:27am
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you do relize that you cant hide behind the camra when the bullets are flying right? they will kill you if they get you... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 11:09am
This was by far the worst thing I have read on the forum in awhile. At first I thought it was a joke, someone being sarcastic, but nope, I looked, and it was one of the forum's meat-headed ex-millitary retards. I am glad you think that all the Journalists over in Iraq and Afganistan are doing nothing to help the country. It is not like they, you know, volunteer to go over into a bloody war zone without any protection and armed with a camera. Yeah man, what a pathetic job. They are such wanna-be artists. Yes. All of the Journalists over in the war zone should just enlist. Nobody should know what is going on over there back home except for millitary sanctioned press releases. Thats it. Screw the thought of capturing the war for other generations. Who needs it. God Bless 'Merica. And you people wonder why I burn flags... ------------- 
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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 11:53am
If he was journalist he wouldn't be coming on a paintball forum and asking how to get into a warzone to take pictures. If he was a journalist he would know how to get to the warzone and document and chronicle the events for the sake of news and history. He is not a journalist. He is an individual who wants to go take pictures in a warzone and sensationalize the death and suffering of citizens and soldiers. It is my right to express my thoughts and opinions on this subject because that is protected speech. I thank all the soldiers who went before me for allowing this right. It is also the right of everyone here to disagree with me. It is also your right to enter a warzone and die. All I am saying is I hope you exercise some of your rights. ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 12:09pm
And you know this how? Just from him saying he is a photographer? -------------
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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 1:18pm
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Ill be looking for the beheading video.
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 1:46pm
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To be completely honest, times were way better when we didn't have a play by play of war events.
Reading about it in the paper is one thing(yes i know about propaganda, so get your paper from the brits) But seeing live footage of our boys(and by that i mean coalition(brits, canucks, yanks, romulans, and ze dutch)getting blown to smithereens or legs hacked off only deters todays SOFT young men and women from fighting and DIEING for a CAUSE. Yes, you can sit back and find it so easy to say"it ain't our fight"sitting on a warm butt with a full belly, as many of my canadian fiends are doing. Or you can help others rebuild their country. That was more of a rant than anything. But the best way is to become a member of the "combat camera"folks. They are semi-enlisted personnel that, while not necessarily embedded with the troops all the time, go out on missions and tasks that will be photograph worthy(like gong on big attacks rather than boring patrols) They tend to not die, but have high incidences of PTSD. Hope that helps. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 2:13pm
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http://www.journalismjobs.com/Job_Listing.cfm?JobID=647175 - Photography Job Listing
There ya go. Hope they hire you. Although I don't think you will qualify...need 3 years experience working as a reporter for daily newspaper, but you might. ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 4:18pm
Thor! Good to see you dropping in, buddy. I'm glad you're keeping safe over there- 4 more of our guys gone today, but you guys are exacting one goddamned hell of a toll for every shot they fire at you. I know you're still inside the wire, but pass the word on the the guys that we're proud of them, and to give 'em hell. If you run into anyone from the Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (headdress- a balmorral with a blue hackle), let them know we're all keeping track of what's going, and want to see them come home safe- but kick ass in the meantime. Stealth- as far as I'm aware, all the embedded reporters are already part of accredited news agencies. You're likely have to get hired by one of them and do a fair bit of time at home before they'd let you volunteer for a war zone deployment. I could be wrong, however. I'm nota ware of any policies regarding freelance photographers. Ken- get off your soapbox. Not everyone agrees with the war, but anyone who wants to see the truth and to report it should be extended the courtesy of doing so. There should be no fear whatsoever of any open and honourable media coverage if the war itself is just. Stealth isn't using or crapping on the troops by wanting to be there. If you want to help him, fine. If not, equally fine- but there's no call for personal attacks; that's just beneath you. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 5:00pm
One. They do wear body armor. Two. They do cause harm. When we retook Fallujah, a Marine shot an insurgent faking dead the day after another insurgent who faked dead blew up his friend. The Marine was later harassed in the media for killing innocents. Three. They could really careless for the most part if it will help our cause or not. Look at some of the stories they report. It hurts us more than does good. During WW2. At least the bad stuff was reported later and the media actually helped our war effort. Not damage it today just for ratings. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 9:07pm
1) Ok? 2) So that is justification for banning all media? It is not the fault of the person taking the picture. He is not in charge of how people digest the photo. 3) It is not the job of a Journalist to 'help out the cause.' The media back then, 'WW2,' was a propaganda machine. We moved beyond that point, and we are better because of it. It is not the job of Journalists to "help the war effort." The fact you think it should be is scary. If a media outlet 'Damages the war effort' by showing what is going on, so be it. Christ, do they teach you to blame the ZOMG MEDIA in basic training? Ugh, the thought that people REALLY think that the media's job is to "support the war effort" is downright chilling.... -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 9:11pm
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Very good points, Tae. The media should not be taking sides- they are supposed to be objective reporters of fact.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 9:21pm
And it goes for both sides, pro and con. Journalists should and often do strive to be as fair as possible. It is not their job to make the war look any better or worse than it is. Sorry about kinda exploding in this thread. I am in college to get a degree in Journalism, and foriegn corespondency is something I am looking into, if I am not married by then. I take things like what Ken and Kristofer said personally. -------------
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 9:36pm
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OK, calm the bravo sierra. First off to be imbedded you must be a credentialed journalist from a recognized news bureau or newspaper. Joe Blow off the street takin pictures for whatever reason does not qualify, irregardless of intent or skills.
I was a civilian contract security specialist for the media, and believe me these guys have thier heads on a little crooked. Convoy gets ambushed, knuckle head reporter and cameramen stand up and start shooting thier video,and talking, like ahkmad the terrorist will not shoot at them (the actually make better targets than those in the military with the comman sense to take cover). The ABC team that got wounded did just that, the RPG whacked into the sloped armor of the APC below them, the blast followed up the side of the APC and shreaded thier faces, as they stood in the troop hatch takin pictures, (how dare the terrorist shoot at the press, don't they know that it is not politically correct?) Get yourself a job with a reputable media outfit, do your time, check the boxes, there will be a war someplace by somebody you can cover, if you still feel the need. ------------- 
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Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 11:37pm
getting shot sucks  ------------- Canadians do it on top. 
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Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 03 September 2006 at 11:42pm
that is the best rebutle to someone dissing someone on the internet i have ever seen. congrats to you dude. btw i saw the other pics you posted here a while ago and they were fantastic hopefully you get the job you want and capture even better pictures. 1st double post yay! ------------- Canadians do it on top.
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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 5:42pm
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Chill dude! Relax, it's the internet (which is hilarious coming from me...I'm, much more SivellIzzed now). Maybe he doesn't want join. There's nothing wrong with not serving, especially since it is an *ALL-VOLOUNTEER* military. I serve because I chose to...do you think I want some guy who hates life to be with me? Not especially. But seriously, chillax man. I mean, look at Sparta...what a crappy City-State. Sure, military might, but no artistic work. Edit- And uh, if you seriously want to take some art, there are jobs in the Marine Corps, or any military branch, that involve photograhpy.
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 6:12pm
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Wow. I am speechless at the stupidity i've read in this thread. Usually it's not the grown men making themselves look like idiots here.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 6:55pm
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Thanks for those of you who helped, and thank you Ken for actualy providing some information after the fact, no hard feelings. I'm no journalist, I just wanted to see what one had to do in order to pursue such photography. Any way, OS kinda cleared everything up. so.... yep |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:21am
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So much for un-bias reporting. But I guess the folks from CNN kinda shot that down the tube a long time ago. My personal opinion as a Guardsman is that embedded reporters was the worst idea ever concieved by our military, war is not a game, war is not pretty, it is not easy, and the public doesn't seem to unerstand that. And when we put bias reporters over there with there own political agenda, they took advantage of that. You asked for my opinion as a man in the military, so there you have it. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:28am
That's my opinion on the war, Documentation photographs ar'nt easly going to convey that. Afghanistan was a real war, that was in our own defense, it was legit. iraq has nothing to do with us, We just did'nt like how things were going so we decided we had the say to intervene. Now it has turned into quick sand, and we are being distracted from our original intent, Terror... And subsituting it with rebiulding a country. Just my opinion. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:50am
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I may disagree with your opinion ( but at least you do believe we need to be in Afganistan) but it is your right to have that opinion, and I respect that. All I am saying is that all reporters have an obligation to not convey thier opinion, especially in wartime. When I am watching the news, I dont' want to have any idea as to what the reporters political standing is, and that is how it should always be.
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Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:54am
Yes I do agree, By focusing emphasis on certian things I could convey my lean on the war, this is true. However, when I originaly considered this idea I just wanted to document things, what ever was happening in that particular unit ETC ETC. With the new found knowledge of the requirments for going about such things, It would have to be journalistic for the media. That's not what I do, and it does'nt interest me. And no doubt, with the journalistic integrety we have these days, My "Sponsor" would impose certian objectives to photograph. |