Creative Zen Vision...
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Topic: Creative Zen Vision...
Posted By: Hades
Subject: Creative Zen Vision...
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:07am
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Since I have some spare change to throw around, I am thinking about getting a Creative Zen Vision.
Other options include the Apple 60 GB iPod or the Apple 30 GB iPod. Thoughts? Or do any of you fellow geeks want to pipe up and put in your 2 cents worth? 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:23am
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heh... the pros(obviously comparing ipod to the vision): fm tuner, fm recorder, voice recorder via built in mic, larger screen, higher resolution, more colors in the screen, compact flash slot, file format compatibility(avi, divx/xvid, wmv for videos), longer battery life w/ larger batter upgrade available, removable battery, podcast compatible now, some might praise the sync function with outlook.. oh, and the built in speaker is pretty awesome. cons: noticably bigger than the iPod, duh, no 60GB capacity, somewhat limited viewing angle, and that's about it. in my experience i have noticed the viewing angle being a bit picky, but then again i watch it to see the video or picture on the screen myself, i don't have people gather around so it isn't a problem. i upgraded my battery to the larger one. i get 26 hours of music on it and they say 9 hours of video, i have reached almost 10 on a single charge. i used to listen to howard stern at school in the mornings with it, but he went off air so i haven't used the tuner since. the built in mic could be a little more sensitive IMO, but hey, it does a damn good job for its size. what i would really like to see is in-line recording.  all in all it is a great player, well worth the money for it. oh, and it will not sync/connect to a mac, just getting that out there if you planned on using one with it. personally with the rumors of a new version coming out i would wait to see what direction Creative heads.. i hear the new "Vision W" will be a 4.2" widescreen with a better viewing angle, 60GB capacity, and about, if not, the same price *obviously the 60GB will be $100 more than the 30GB model* so again, i would wait to see how creative plays it. but if you just can't wait, the current Zen Vision is fine by me.  btw if you want the iPod size, check out the Vision M ------------- 
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:24am
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Don't get an ipod!! DON'T DO IT.
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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:30am
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Dont get an iPod. The screens are too delicate, you HAVE to use iTunes to download music, and the battery goes after 2-3 years and it costs about as much as a new iPod to get it replaced since it has an internal battery. Plus, the Zen has better reviews everywhere you go...oh and if I'm not mistaken, its battery life is much better, it has more memory for the price, and has a built in tuner. ------------- 
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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:41am
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but i don't actually watch videos or movies on it...it's a cool little bonus but when are you really going to watch stuff on the go that you need a device such as the vision ------------- 
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:52am
Uhh.. you don't have to use iTunes to download music... When comparing the iPod 30/60g video to the Zen Vision you are really comparing a music-first player to a video first player. And as HV said, Macs and Zens don't mix. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> 
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MilSimBaller wrote:Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:54am
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Thanks for the imput so far. HV, I have gotten pretty much the same review from others that I have asked. I am willing to wait till Decemeber to see if the price will drop or better model will be released.
Thanks again. According to Creative's site, the 60 is out. http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=15752 - http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&su bcategory=211&product=15752 Does it live up to your expections? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:58am
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i just got a gigabeat f10 and its sexy ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 3:08am
The iPods do scratch easy, I'll give you that. You DONT have to use iTuens to get music The battery does not go after 2 years. |
Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 3:28am
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ok maybe not 2, but it did for how much i used it -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 3:36am
Mine's fine, I've had it for several years. And what are you talking about iTunes only for downloads... |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 8:52am
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I think he means that you have to use iTunes to put downoaded files on to the iPod. I don't like it either.
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 9:06am
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I have and ipod video, and i like it, but i hate apple now. pros- itunes imports CD's really fast, unless of course youre getting your music by other means, its still okay. The sound quality when you go from your CD player to an ipod is rediculous. its an ipod? cons- battery life isnt amazing. the format sucks. the more stuff you have on it, the longer it takes to load when you pick a song / movie. Small screen, and watching stuff kills battery life. If i could do it again, id get a zen. |
Posted By: PaintballkidEPS
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 9:33am
| my brother has a Creative Zen Vision.....2 actually and has never had problems with either, yet i have had problems with 3 seperate ipods, Creative Zen is deffinately the way to go |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 10:56am
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iPod > Creative's attempt. ------------- 
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 11:32am
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Get the Vision M. The vision M can handle lots of video types, while the ipod video has to be converted to a special format. I like ipods and all, but the vision m wins.
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 12:07pm
Wrong. Creative > Apple. ------------- 
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Posted By: Thatoneguy123
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 12:15pm
| I hate my ipod. I wish I never bought it. |
Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 12:15pm
The truth is spoken. As the owner of a 60gb iPod.... The screen is not extremely large. It's fine for watching videos that aren't extremely long and that don't require lots of detail. The battery life on the 60gb is good. I can easily get about 20 hours of music and over 3 hours of video, which is longer than the 30gb's. If you practice proper charge/discharge techniques, the overally condition of the battery shouldn't be an issue. They do scratch. However, mine came out of the box and straight into a Contour Designs Showcase. I don't think it's ever had a fingerprint on its face. You can get clear skins for it, but be sure to go with a well-known one. The video file format stuff is slightly annoying. There are several good programs that convert videos for the iPod without hassle. I've found that almost all of my videos are video Podcasts, which are already in the correct format, and full length DVD's that I personally ripped and would have to convert anyway. Don't discount the iPod's popularity as a bad thing. I believe most, if not all, Scion head units interface directly with the iPod through the dock connector. Don't forget about either player's video out capability either. I don't really plan on watching full-length movies on my iPod, since I can just hook it up to a TV. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 12:21pm
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actually, they say the resolution on that Vision W is 480 x 272. i don't know if i would make the drop from my current 640 x 480 to that. don't get me wrong, the WQVGA display is sexy and the 60GB hard drive would be nice, but that drop in resolution is a major turnoff. i like viewing pictures that i shot myself, they would look like ass on the new one. -------------
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 12:32pm
Personally, I would go with the iPod over the Vision:M. I couldn't ever get used to the menu navigation, as the scroll pad is extremely sensitve. Plus, it is a good bit thicker than a 30gb iPod. That's just all personal preference. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:40pm
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I love my vision M. One of the best purchases I've ever made. |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 1:42pm
The scroll can be adjusted, how long did you navigate with it? ------------- 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 3:11pm
I considered that as well but I need to do some research on it since I am skeptical as to if it is a general mp3 input or specific to ipod. I am pretty sure the port will accept all Mp3 players. |
Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 3:12pm
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my brother got a microphoto and its pure secks, i like it a ton more then my ipod, which has broken like 3 times, i say get the creative-great company
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Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 10:06pm
Apparently it's the dock connector, because you can actually control the iPod via the head unit, as opposed to just piping audio through it. It also seem to also have a 1/8" stereo jack for anything else. |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 04 September 2006 at 10:17pm
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I like Ipods simply cause I'm used to it. ------------- 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 1:46am
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btw i am taking my cousin's iPod in to be repaired tomorrow. funny how he's had so much trouble. i think i might give him my nomad.
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Posted By: RevoXT
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 2:18am
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The Zen Vision (M) is my favorite mp3 player. Right now I use my Pocket PC however Creative Labs kills Ipods in both price range and features and even reliability. Microphoto is even awesome so it's all your pick. Top of the line is the Vison M though.
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:02am
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Well, Zen Vision is a bit of an oxymoron, zen being the utter absence of all that is. So that tells you something about its makers right there. ------------- 
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:34am
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I don't know how people keep breaking their iPods. I've had mine for a little more than a year now and it's never once showed any sign of a problem.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:01am
I dont think my whip has this feature. Could you please link me of show me a pic of what I should be looking for? Maybe I have it and dont even know it... I do have the 1/8 jack. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 12:12pm
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I like my ipod because the scroll wheel is fun. Its the simple things in life... ------------- 
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 12:16pm
| I like my iPod. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 12:17pm
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You have to really suck at life to break an iPod.
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Posted By: Apotheosis
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 1:39pm
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I have the Creative Zen Micro and wish I had gotten an iPod. Like people are saying, it is the little things, and a little thing I don't like about the Zen is the fact that the screen is not color. My friend has a bigger one and it is color, but I don't like the colors. It is like a red background and yellow words. Ugly. I constantly had troubles with connecting it to my computer. For a while it would be connected, yet it would tell me it was not connected. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 4:02pm
My RCA lyra has a scroll wheel. I'd be lost with out it.  Mass Storage device as well FTW ------------- |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 5:15pm
you fail hard. first mistake: you bought a micro. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 5:49pm
Ewwww ugly. -------------
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Posted By: Apotheosis
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 7:30pm
Try got it as a present. |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 7:32pm
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Rancom iPod question: can iPods handle Microsoft formats? - WMA, WMV, etc? ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 8:59pm
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Hades your scion (tC I think?) should work with your ipod by just plugging it in. Btw- have you got the turbo charger? -------------
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:03pm
I borrowed it from my brother for a trip.. so like a week maybe? ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules>
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Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:05pm
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