Chuck Norris and God
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Topic: Chuck Norris and God
Posted By: __sneaky__
Subject: Chuck Norris and God
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 8:18am
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So apparently Chuck Norris has came out and made a public statement saying that the bible should be taught in all schools. He figures we get to learn about Nazi's why not god.
Discuss.
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 8:29am
Well, not to play devil's advocate (pun!), but we have proof that the Nazi's existed.
God is a matter of faith.
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Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 8:45am
reifidom wrote:
Well, not to play devil's advocate (pun!), but we have proof that the Nazi's existed.
God is a matter of faith. |
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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:16am
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:36am
I'm a pretty devout christian and I really disagree with him. It is 100% true that you can't prove the existance of God, so why teach it in school? Things about the bible already get covered in most history classes while learning about the French, British, and Romans.
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:57am
Trogdor2 wrote:
It is 100% true that you can't prove the existance of
God, so why teach it in school? |
i'm with you. which is why I'm agnostic.
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 9:58am
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i just dont believe plan and simple
at first i thought this was gonan be another 'chuck norris's tears can cure cancer' thread
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:03am
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments!
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:53am
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You mean actually teaching math and science?
There's a novel concept.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 12:06pm
i respect chuck norris, but i think i'm gonna have to disagree with him...
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 12:10pm
hwayhzrd wrote:
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments! |
I don't really see the connection to the topic.
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Posted By: estcstpnt
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 12:31pm
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Rico's Revenge wrote:
Chuck Norris is God |
Right?
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 2:09pm
Clark Kent wrote:
You mean actually teaching math and science?
There's a novel concept. |
Exactly, the bending of young minds towards specific religious/political beliefs is a task best left to parents/relatives.
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 3:23pm
Oh that will go over well. Since everyone belives in god. Try teaching a buddist,jew,satanist,muslim,hindu and jahova whitness about the christan/catholic/mormon bible, that wont cause any controversy.
Chuck norris stuff is lame and old. WTR was a crappy show. If we are going to start respecting caractors from lame TV shows what about the Duke boys? Lucy? blah blah blah
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 4:13pm
Agnostic ftw!
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 5:35pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the
frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments! | I don't really see
the connection to the topic. |
See? I told you guys the educational system sucked!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 5:44pm
hwayhzrd wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the
frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments! | I don't really see
the connection to the topic. |
See? I told you guys the educational system sucked! |
Translation:
"I do not really have a valid point."
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 5:50pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the
frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments! | I don't really see
the connection to the topic. |
See? I told you guys the educational system sucked! | Translation:
"I do not really have a valid point." |
Translation:
Enough jerking around with everything in the educational system but
preparing kids for the real world.
Educate the children, leave religion to the parents or the persons own
devices when old enough to make a decision on their own.
There, now that it's in crayon just for you, do you get the point?
Or are you beyond grasping the concept?
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 6:17pm
hwayhzrd wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the
frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments! | I don't really see
the connection to the topic. |
See? I told you guys the educational system sucked! | Translation:
"I do not really have a valid point." |
Translation:
Enough jerking around with everything in the educational system but
preparing kids for the real world.
Educate the children, leave religion to the parents or the persons own
devices when old enough to make a decision on their own.
There, now that it's in crayon just for you, do you get the point?
Or are you beyond grasping the concept? |
Why did you not just say that to start with?
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 6:22pm
I flipping did, if you actually read it.
What is with you guys lately?
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 6:22pm
hwayhzrd wrote:
I flipping did, if you actually read it.
What is with you guys lately? |
Pardon?
Why so angry all the time. No need to be hostile.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 6:22pm
I hated him for Walker before I found out he's a religiou-right wing-nut...no biggy to me...
Oh and Whale, don't be a jerk....
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 6:24pm
In the eyes of a ranger...
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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 7:11pm
Mehs wrote:
Agnostic ftw!
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yep
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 7:40pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
hwayhzrd wrote:
I say we get back to the basics in schools and stop the
frustrating cycle of
cranking out functionally illiterate "graduates" who are only prepared for
asking "would you like fries with your order" and living in their parents
basements.
The rest of the world is kicking our butts in education and overtaking us
economically.
Enough with the flipping social experiments! | I don't really see
the connection to the topic. |
See? I told you guys the educational system sucked! | Translation:
"I do not really have a valid point." |
Translation:
Enough jerking around with everything in the educational system but
preparing kids for the real world.
Educate the children, leave religion to the parents or the persons own
devices when old enough to make a decision on their own.
There, now that it's in crayon just for you, do you get the point?
Or are you beyond grasping the concept? | Why did you not just say that to start with? |
I understood it. I didnt see what was so hard.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 8:52pm
Trogdor2 wrote:
I'm a pretty devout christian and I really disagree with him. It is 100% true that you can't prove the existance of God, so why teach it in school? Things about the bible already get covered in most history classes while learning about the French, British, and Romans. |
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:06pm
I'm an athiest, and I agree those of you who say that what cant be proved should'nt be taught, which is why it also makes me mad that they teach evolution in schools.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:10pm
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__sneaky__ wrote:
I'm an athiest, and I agree those of you who say that what cant be proved should'nt be taught, which is why it also makes me mad that they teach evolution in schools. |
Don't get me started...
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:14pm
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:24pm
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lol, well I know there is evidence for evolution, but there is evidence for almost anything if u try hard enough. You know just as well as I do, at this point in time it cant be 100% absolutly proven. *thats not a challenge...*
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:27pm
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:29pm
Here we go again...
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:31pm
I can prove God exists...
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:34pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
lol, well I know there is evidence for evolution, but there is evidence for almost anything if u try hard enough. You know just as well as I do, at this point in time it cant be 100% absolutly proven. *thats not a challenge...*
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There are plenty of things taught in school that can't be fully explained, much of it includes general history of the past 2000 years or so.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 10:35pm
Da Hui wrote:
I can prove God exists... | No you can't but give it a shot, It'll gimme somthen to do for the next 10 minutes.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:17pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
lol, well I know there is evidence for evolution, but there is evidence for almost anything if u try hard enough. You know just as well as I do, at this point in time it cant be 100% absolutly proven. *thats not a challenge...*
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If "100% absolutely proven" is your standard, then we shouldn't have science class or history class.
There is more evidence for evolutionary theory than there is for half of what you learn in science class.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:22pm
Da Hui wrote:
I can prove God exists... |
I am curious.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:24pm
Clark Kent wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
lol, well I know there is evidence for evolution, but there is evidence for almost anything if u try hard enough. You know just as well as I do, at this point in time it cant be 100% absolutly proven. *thats not a challenge...*
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If "100% absolutely proven" is your standard, then we shouldn't have science class or history class.
There is more evidence for evolutionary theory than there is for half of what you learn in science class.
| Dropping those classes if fine with me.
But on the serious side, you do have a good point. A lot of those things are unproven, but in science, those things (at least most of them) have had scientific exspiraments and other things done to back them up. Evolution, ya cant really exspirament on that.
-And-
With History, there are records both, writen and verbal from more then once source about those events, yes they can be false, but at least there is some proof to base it on.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:25pm
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Evolution has quite a bit more proof than many historical events.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:27pm
Dune wrote:
Evolution has quite a bit more proof than many historical events. | Like? (lets try to keep it relativly simple. some of us, me included get confused easily...
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:29pm
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The battle of Sterling bridge. (William Wallace/Scotts/Irish vs. Great Britain) There is very little written record (almost none).
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:30pm
Dune wrote:
The battle of Sterling bridge. (William Wallace/Scotts/Irish vs. Great Britain) There is very little written record (almost none). | I mean proof of evolution, but that is true.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:31pm
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Proof of evolution? Do a search, it's out there.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:37pm
gosh, make me actually work...
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:46pm
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__sneaky__ wrote:
Evolution, ya cant really exspirament on that. |
Sure you can.
Your statement baffles me a bit - even rudimentary investigation into evolutionary science would inform you that there is a vast body of experimental knowledge underlying current theory. Heck, based on your statement alone I would bet that you don't even know what evolutionary theory really is.
Don't take my word for it - please, I would like nothing more than for you (and everybody else) to read up on evolution. But I am telling you that there is more evidence of every kind for basic evolutionary theory than there is for much of what you learn in science class.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 September 2006 at 11:48pm
Clark Kent wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
Evolution, ya cant really exspirament on that. |
Sure you can.
Your statement baffles me a bit - even rudimentary investigation into evolutionary science would inform you that there is a vast body of experimental knowledge underlying current theory. Heck, based on your statement alone I would bet that you don't even know what evolutionary theory really is.
Don't take my word for it - please, I would like nothing more than for you (and everybody else) to read up on evolution. But I am telling you that there is more evidence of every kind for basic evolutionary theory than there is for much of what you learn in science class. | Well I dont know the theory word for word but I think i got the basic idea. It is somthing I've wanted to read up on but never got around to it.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 12:20am
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There is no "word for word" to know - and even the basics will vary a bit depending on who you ask.
But I think most people will agree that the following are included:
1. Common descent
2. Characteristics transferred between generations
3. Mutation
4. Natural selection
That's about it - which of those are you unsure about?
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 12:23am
LOL. Here goes Clark's monthly evolution thread. (not that I don't approve, of course)
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 12:26am
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Well I gotta question, that origonal single celled organism, where do they think it came from? It didnt randomly appear, Its (proven is the key word) a proven fact of science that no living thing can come from a non-living thing. Soooo where'd it come from?
Thats kinda like people saying God has always exsisted. It's impossible but thats one of those things your just not sposed to question and just pretend it makes sence.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 12:30am
__sneaky__ wrote:
Well I gotta question, that origonal single celled organism, where do they think it came from? It didnt randomly appear, Its (proven is the key word) a proven fact of science that no living thing can come from a non-living thing. Soooo where'd it come from?
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You are very misinformed.
First - is not a "proven fact of science" that no living thing can come from a non-living thing. Whoever told you that?
But much more importantly - what you are describing has nothing to do with evolution. Nothing at all. You are describing abiogenesis, which is a fledgling theory about the origins of life. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life at all. Evolution has to do with the origins of SPECIES (just like the title of Darwin's book).
Abiogenesis is completely different from, and unrelated to, evolutionary theory.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 1:03am
Clark Kent wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
Well I gotta question, that origonal single celled organism, where do they think it came from? It didnt randomly appear, Its (proven is the key word) a proven fact of science that no living thing can come from a non-living thing. Soooo where'd it come from?
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You are very misinformed.
First - is not a "proven fact of science" that no living thing can come from a non-living thing. Whoever told you that?
But much more importantly - what you are describing has nothing to do with evolution. Nothing at all. You are describing abiogenesis, which is a fledgling theory about the origins of life. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life at all. Evolution has to do with the origins of SPECIES (just like the title of Darwin's book).
Abiogenesis is completely different from, and unrelated to, evolutionary theory. | Oh...
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 1:08am
lewl
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Posted By: Jawa_Nz
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:19am
This got scientific fast...
I don't think I could stand going to school with a religion class in it, specially christian. I went to a camp like that once... never ever ever ever going again....
Ever.
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 6:40am
Devo summed up evolution nicely:
"God made man, but he used the monkey to do it."
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Posted By: dmp4892.
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 3:36pm
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I expected this thread to be about which of the two would win in a fight.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:08pm
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Clark I checked where I read that that no living thing can come from a non-living thing. We call that the scientific law of biogenises, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis - read up on it here pretty interesting actually.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:14pm
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That Wiki article is pretty decent. But read it carefully, and you will see that even according to that article, it is not correct to say that "its (proven is the key word) a proven fact of science that no living thing can come from a non-living thing".
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:28pm
Clark Kent wrote:
That Wiki article is pretty decent. But read it carefully, and you will see that even according to that article, it is not correct to say that "its (proven is the key word) a proven fact of science that no living thing can come from a non-living thing". | Thats usually what "scientfic law of ____" means. But I could be missreading somthing, I'll check it again.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:34pm
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__sneaky__ wrote:
Thats usually what "scientfic law of ____" means. But I could be missreading somthing, I'll check it again. |
"Scientific law of" are just words. If I declare "Clark's Scientific Law of TV" to state that "All TV sucks", that doesn't make it so. Many "scientific laws" are unproven, false, or just made up.
In this case it is neither - it is simply misinterpreted. As your article says, Pasteur's work was a study of CURRENT life. Pasteur (at best) proved that life observed today came from other life. He did not prove, nor is it my recollection that he was trying to prove, that no life could or did ever come from non-life.
Creationists, on the other hand, glom on to the literal wording of his statements, quoting him out of context, and completely ignoring the actual studies that he did.
Wiki wrote:
They did not show that life cannot arise once, and then evolve |
EDIT - But mainly I need to reiterate my point stated above that the study of evolution does not address the origins of life. Evolutionary theory is about the evolution of life and origins of species, not the origins of life.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:48pm
Clark Kent wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
Thats usually what "scientfic law of ____" means. But I could be missreading somthing, I'll check it again. |
"Scientific law of" are just words. If I declare "Clark's Scientific Law of TV" to state that "All TV sucks", that doesn't make it so. Many "scientific laws" are unproven, false, or just made up.
In this case it is neither - it is simply misinterpreted. As your article says, Pasteur's work was a study of CURRENT life. Pasteur (at best) proved that life observed today came from other life. He did not prove, nor is it my recollection that he was trying to prove, that no life could or did ever come from non-life.
Creationists, on the other hand, glom on to the literal wording of his statements, quoting him out of context, and completely ignoring the actual studies that he did.
Wiki wrote:
They did not show that life cannot arise once, and then evolve |
| Touchet my good sir, touchet...
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 4:12pm
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well in all honesty why would you teach the bible in school, that's what sunday school or catholic school etc. is all about. Public school is not the place to teach the bible, maybe the history of the bible like others said or the origins of religions but definately not the bible itself, if a muslim said they can learn about the crusades in schools how come they cannot teach the koran would you honestly take that person seriously
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 4:33pm
Like I said: life skills in school, theology at the church of ones' choice or in
the home.
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