A folding stock with an M4 mag and an ak barrel

hmm

you should get the 24" barrel i saw on ebay to improve accuracy and range.

meh but at least it's very origional, dont like the stock

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strykerx15 wrote: should i get a car stock for it? satyr put in a pic of a rilfle a few posts up . i saw a barrel like that but a 18 inch on opsgear.com , but its like 78 bucks. i dont want to spend that much cash on just a barrel . and acurecy maxes out at 14 inches . only other thing you can increse is range . i geuss thats good. but idont know maby ill save for thatfluted opsgearbarrel . its pretty nice

Well, actually accuracy "maxes out" at around 8 inches, and you can't increase range by purchasing a longer barrel. In fact, if you shoot an 8 inch barrel, and crono the gun at 280, then change the barrel to an 18 inch barrel like you mentioned without changing the velocity, you will get significantly lower velocity, causing range to suffer(this is because the longer barrel causes more friction, slowing the ball down). Then in order to compensate for the loss of velocity, you have to turn your settings up, making your gun less efficient.

Dont start a flame war. If you disagree, simply argue your point. No insulting needed.

what gun is that bty?

the real rifle

Satyr wrote:

This sniper is better, no offence

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its obviously just for milsim

Satyr wrote: The pic i posted is of a Cheytac, one of the new sniper rifles the military is prototyping. I'm hoping to get to use one after i pass sniper school, pray for me! http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn63-e.htm a link if you guys are intersted

What branch of the military are you in?? Or are you in another field of work (Police, Swat)??

^ hehe...

^yes.  yes they are, actually.  It's called propoganda.  search it.  if you still think they exist, that's fine.  but until one marker shoots significantly further and more accurate than another, this is not a sniper forum. 

/end of rant

hope i didn't spark a sniper debate...

markers all shoot the same distance. 

but i get what you're saying.  you're saying it's a milsim thing...  but you should know, not everyone's markers look like real guns, myself included, thus, my Phantom must shoot lazers, because it's a space gun. *peeow*

seriously in paintball the word sniper sells lots of crap to new players who don't know better.

strykerx15 wrote: like i sed everyone has there own style of play . did yo read the like i put up ? it not just about the gun . it is how you act . the way you hide . the clothes you wher to fit the envirment . the way you handel hostage scenarios . the way you think . if yor not a sniper then you cold never understand what im talking about

try using a bit of grammer.  it's easier to take you seriusly, no offence. 

strykerx15 wrote: like i sed everyone has there own style of play . did yo read the like i put up ? it not just about the gun . it is how you act . the way you hide . the clothes you wher to fit the envirment . the way you handel hostage scenarios . the way you think . if yor not a sniper then you cold never understand what im talking about

so summed up you basically said:

camouflage+hostage situation+thinking-Your gun=snipers in paintball

strykerx15 wrote: the teamm your on defines the player that want to be a sniper becouse of what camo hes wearing , wood , ghjilli, ect. and the style of gun he has . sniper rifle , long shot , ect .

strykerx15 wrote: like milsimballer sed i can be someonee who takes someone out froma really long distence .

strykerx15 wrote: its all what peale think a sniper is .

strykerx15 wrote: but i am hear to tell you there are such things as paintball snipers .

strykerx15 wrote: they are the ones that go on the battel field first and they are almostr like scouts . they gather info on where the enemy is and then radio back to the comander  .

strykerx15 wrote: then if he has to take him out the sniper takes him out with out anyone knowing there the shot came from .

strykerx15 wrote: snipers are ones that do stuff like that

strykerx15 wrote: and  milsimballer is right . lets all mature and let everyone have there own opinon .

strykerx15 wrote: no ones really right or wrong hear .

• The sniper debate occurs because of the similarities between the woodsball(TM) version of this awesome game we call paintball and real world military activities.
• Given this similarity, their are parallels that can be drawn between certain playing styles and certain military combat/duty postions
• The majority of paintballers just engage the enemy, and, to paraphrase Old Soldier, that makes them grunts, or infantry men, one each. (Some do this with more tactical skills than others, just like in the real world. This doesn't mean they are spec op rangers, it just means they're better infantry troops.)
  
• Some paintballers like to stay back and fire lots of paint at longer ranges. There are different skill levels and equipment setups among the folks who do this. For instance, a really good lobber with an electro could be considered as similar to a SAW gunner, while someone with a Flatline or Apex barrel would be able to reach out a little farther to annoy the "enemy", and thus would be more comparable to a heavy machine gunner. Either way, these guys are fire support.
• Some people like to sneak around in the woods singularly or in small groups and engage in ambush and harrassment. This is the scout role which you described quite adequately above.
• Some folks, who are very good shots, get asked/tasked, depending upon the team they are playing with, to engage either targets at longer ranges or certain specific targets. They are not snipers because they do not have a range advantage. What they have is an accuracy advantage. This position corresponds to the "designated marksman" position found in some military units. This individual is armed with a weapon having the same general characteristics as his team mates, perhaps with better optics, but is more adept at using it.
• Then there are the paintball positions/tactics that do not correspond well with positions in the real world military
• An "engineer" in a scenario game does nothing similar to what a military engineer might do. (As far as I know, no scenario promoter has yet assigned the engineer duties to some player then had him build a real bridge, destroy a real building, or defuse a real bomb.)
• Grenadiers in paintball have some similarities to military grenadiers, but this is another place where the comparison fails. While a paintball grenadier can carry the same number of grenades for his "M203" they will have no where near the same casualty radius. This failure is not the fault of the grenadier, it is just that technology deficits and safety precautions prevent the development of a decent tube launched paint grenade at this time.
  
• Some people like to hide and wait for the "enemy" to come to them. All these folks are doing is setting up an ambush. They usually fall into one of the below categories.
• New players who are still getting their feet wet.
• People who think they are snipers but are actually campers.
• Players who are highly susceptable to marketing strategies.
  
• There are a few individuals, highly skilled at woodcraft, cover, concealment, and camoflauge, who are outstanding paintball shots, that others may consider snipers.  However, the comparison between paintball and the real world fails at this point, again, because of tecnology limitations.
  
• In the real world, a sniper generally has a significant range advantage over his target (even if it isn't used). That range advantage does not exist in paintball at this time.***  Field safety rules which limit velocities to 300 fps and below preclude any range advantage with most paintball barrels.
  
• The Flatline and Apex, while providing a range advantage, are not accurate enough at the longer ranges for the "one shot-one kill" that is the hallmark of the real world sniper. (Partially this is do to the way the barrel imparts spin upon the paintball, but mostly this is do to the increased environmental affects the ball is exposed to as it travels a longer distance.)
• What's all this mean? It means you can call yourself a paintball sniper if you want, but most experienced players will laugh at you and/or try to correct you.
  

strykerx15 wrote: still waiting for more sniper rifle paintball gun pics!!!1

neet,  sniper debate is over...  <3

sorry for the hostility, i was in a bit of a bad mood yesterday.

anyone have a pic of a k2?

not mine, but everyone should appreciate it...

Mack wrote: for a while my sig said OHOK (one hopper-one kill).

LOL...that's too funny.

Not to re-spark the "s" word debate, but has anyone seen the Longbow (or it's incarnations) in action?  I couldn't really find any performance specs on it anywhere and was just curious what, aside from the look, makes it worth the $.  Is it super-accurate and/or does it have the distance of the Flatties and Apexes of the world?

strykerx15 wrote: and i think im gonna take up the pisition of heavy gunner insted of sniper

great. now he's going to be a "heavy gunner". (sarcasm intended)

and i don't see how someone could have grammar that bad. he must be 10 years old.

Tippmania wrote: heh, you call THAT a sniper rifle? My friend, THIS is a Paintball Sniper Rifle. Palmer Pursuit's "Hurricane"

• I get much better range because I crank my velocity way up
• No, that's not sniping, that's cheating, stupidity, and putting other people at risk. Additionally, the nature of paintballs means that this also ruins accuracy.
  
• Also if you shoot me with a hot gun, and I catch you, the rest of your day will not be a lot of fun because you will become my only target on either team for the rest of the day.  I will also assume that since you cheat at the chrono, you also wipe and will thus ensure that there is too much paint on you to wipe off each time I find you.  Oh, and did I mention that I will tell everyone on both teams about you which means that I won't necessarily be the only one amusing myself in this manner. (The group at my home field does not like cheaters, we've been known to throw our own team mates off of the field or in extreme cases, light them up on the field.)
  
• I have a Flatline/Apex on my marker.
• Yes, you get extra range, but no, you do not have one shot accuracy-not a sniper marker.
• I have a 20" (or longer) barrel on my marker and a really cool stock.
  
• Good for you. Neither of these accessories provide extra range so that does not make it a sniper marker. It just makes it harder to maneuver in the brush and somebody is eventually going to be laughing at you trying to get your marker unstuck from a vine while they shoot you repeatedly with their BE Talon.
• I have the complete sniper body kit accessories from SuperLeet Sniper HQ (TM).
• And it's a very cool looking marker* but those accessories do nothing for performance so it's not a sniper marker.
• I use a pump marker.
• Which means you are either a very skilled player or are trying to become one, but it still shoots just as far at the field velocity limits as every other straight barreled marker-not a sniper marker.
• I used to be in the military.
• So was I, this just meant that I had to learn that markers and real guns have different characteristics.
• This does nothing for your marker and does not make it a sniper marker.
  

Mack wrote: hybrid-sniper wrote: OCOK Huh?

Only lame people miss that one.

I'm not supposed to need to explain this. That ruins the funneh.

I know.... when I typed it I knew at least one person would say "LOL PENAR LOL."

But the boat has been missed, so you chumps need to swim.