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Topic: The 9/11 Movie
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: The 9/11 Movie
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 12:46pm
I just find it odd that there are so many on the left who want the 9/11 movie pulled. Only reason is the supposed questionable portrayal of the actions of thier hero Clinton. These are the same people who cried foul when the "truth" about Reagan in another simular movie was pulled from the networks (CBS) and put on pay per view. That portrayal was not "truthfull" per the Reagan camp, but to censor that piece from the american public,was un-american per the dems of that period.

Got to love polarized politics

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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 12:53pm
politics in general is stupid

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Posted By: RevoXT
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 3:01pm
They added "crap" to the movie to make it more... "suspenseful" so families got pissed....I think the whole 9\11 thing is a joke.... now they want most of our taxes to goto a memorial..I personally believe we should let it die and stop bringing it up.. Bush won't allow that though... I still remember a interview that was funny "Why are we in Iraq Bush?" (Bush) "Because of 9\11 the horrors and ladaladlda" "What does that have to do with Iraq as a country..?" (Bush) ".....nothing.."
The other funny stuff is the OIL business... "Bush what is your take on the oil? Are we there FOR their oil" (Bush) "What oil? What are you talking about!?"

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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 3:39pm
Originally posted by RevoXT RevoXT wrote:

They added "crap" to the movie to make it more... "suspenseful" so families got pissed....I think the whole 9\11 thing is a joke.... now they want most of our taxes to goto a memorial..I personally believe we should let it die and stop bringing it up.. Bush won't allow that though... I still remember a interview that was funny "Why are we in Iraq Bush?" (Bush) "Because of 9\11 the horrors and ladaladlda" "What does that have to do with Iraq as a country..?" (Bush) ".....nothing.."
The other funny stuff is the OIL business... "Bush what is your take on the oil? Are we there FOR their oil" (Bush) "What oil? What are you talking about!?"


How old are you?


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Posted By: Thatoneguy123
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:


How old are you?


Revo your post made me laugh.


Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 3:44pm
laughing at bush is old, the new thing is to insult members of congress.

as for the movie, let people make whatever they want. censoring the media is a violation of their right to broadcast whatever they wish. i watch standup comics who definitely insult or offend other people, but you know what, those people don't have them removed from the air, they just don't watch it...


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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 4:07pm
i refuse to see it because nicolas cage is in it...if your talking about the right movie...

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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

laughing at bush is old, the new thing is to insult members of congress.

as for the movie, let people make whatever they want. censoring the media is a violation of their right to broadcast whatever they wish. i watch standup comics who definitely insult or offend other people, but you know what, those people don't have them removed from the air, they just don't watch it...
Screw that, i'll laugh at Bush all I want.


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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by blackdog144 blackdog144 wrote:

i refuse to see it because nicolas cage is in it...if your talking about the right movie...


I could be mistaken but it may be the 9/11 movie on ABC tonight. But I wont watch the one you are talking about with Cage either. Actually this ABC one is the only one I will watch. I refused to watch 93 as well.

As for letting it die. I dont recall us letting Pearl Harbor Die. That was a huge day in our history. As was 9/11.


Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 4:54pm
That was one of the defining moments in the history of this nation. That
SHOULD have been the untimate wake-up call.

I am just amazed how many people hit the snooze button and went right
back to sleep in the post-9/11 era.

We were called out as a nation, as a people, and as a culture, and an
alarming segment of the country just wants to "forget it".

The body count made Pearl Harbor look like a traffic accident. Their
crimes? Going to work or taking a commercial flight.

Like it or not, we ARE at war. It is a war where our enemy has no borders,
no uniform, and their only purpose is very, very simple: we convert to
their image of Islam, or we die at their hands.

Period.

Anyone too ingorant or cowardly to recognize this and make a stand
deserves to be blown up or beheaded be some fundamental Islamic
fascist.

Complacency and apathy are just as dangerous as a 9/11-style attack.

Don't believe it now?

Don't worry, you WILL.

Problem is, it may be too late by the time you wake up to reality.

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Posted By: Wings
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by RevoXT RevoXT wrote:

They added "crap" to the movie to make it more... "suspenseful" so families got pissed....I think the whole 9\11 thing is a joke....


9/11 is a joke? So you think over 3000 people dead is funny? Or do you just not care that millions of people had there lives tragically effected that day? I can tell you minute by minute what I was doing on 9/11 from helping a fried try and contact his dad in the pentagon to trying to call my own that was somewhere in the city at the time. I remember finding out that my uncle (NYPD) luckily wasn't on scene until after both buildings had come down. You think that day is a joke to me? Do you think it is a joke to the kids that lost there fathers or mothers or the men and women serving in our military to try and make this world safer so that we never have to go through that again? Do you think it's a joke to them?

Originally posted by revoXT revoXT wrote:

now they want most of our taxes to goto a memorial..I personally believe we should let it die and stop bringing it up..


Have you ever been to the halocaust museum? Have you ever been to Washington D.C. and looked at the various memorials there? Ever seen the Vietnam memorial or the WWII memorial? Ever been to Pearl Harbor? These places are hallowed ground. There a place to remember those who have passed, to honor those who came before us, and to look to the future in hopes that such things may never come again. If you've never been to one of these places I suggest you go. Stand there and read the names, learn a little about them, and try to imagine what they went through and what there families went through. Do some soul searching and then see if you don't believe it's important.

Originally posted by revoXT revoXT wrote:

I still remember a interview that was funny "Why are we in Iraq Bush?" (Bush) "Because of 9\11 the horrors and ladaladlda" "What does that have to do with Iraq as a country..?" (Bush) ".....nothing.."
The other funny stuff is the OIL business... "Bush what is your take on the oil? Are we there FOR their oil" (Bush) "What oil? What are you talking about!?"


What interview was that? Do you have any idea how much money we are spending every day being in Iraq? Do you know how much oil we would have to steal to balance out the expense? Based on the intellegence availible at the time we made the right decision. Based on the intellegence availible now we may not have. Looking at it from a moral and humanitarian aspect we did the right thing. But of course the media doesn't like to talk about things that went well. They don't make for entertaining television. The media likes to make things sound bad, make them all scarey like the world is gonna end. Thats what makes good t.v.. Don't believe the media. They have there own agenda and it's far from it's original purpose.


Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 10:29pm
i won't see it in theaters... nor will i personally pay to rent it.  IMO it's too soon for people to be making millions off dollars off this event.  Yes, it was a terrrible event, yes, it was our generation's "pearl harbor", but it should NOT be commercialized (spelling??).  I refuse to buy any "patriotic" american fanboy stuff, magnets, flags... whatever.  You don't need magnetic ribbons plastered over the back of your car to let someone know you are a proud american. 





Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 10:46pm

HWAY is right.

I wont pay to see the movie with Cage in it, but when its on HBO I might check it out.



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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 10:54pm
Folks, the movie is the TV movie, "The Path to 9/11" on ABC tonight that is creating the issue here. The Clinton camp wanted it pulled, but yet the same folks stated that pulling the Reagan Documentary on CBS a few years back would be censorship. Depends on who the target of the "falsehoods" are.

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Posted By: Thatoneguy123
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by hwayhzrd hwayhzrd wrote:

That was one of the defining moments in the history of this nation. That
SHOULD have been the untimate wake-up call.

I am just amazed how many people hit the snooze button and went right
back to sleep in the post-9/11 era.

We were called out as a nation, as a people, and as a culture, and an
alarming segment of the country just wants to "forget it".

The body count made Pearl Harbor look like a traffic accident. Their
crimes? Going to work or taking a commercial flight.

Like it or not, we ARE at war. It is a war where our enemy has no borders,
no uniform, and their only purpose is very, very simple: we convert to
their image of Islam, or we die at their hands.

Period.

Anyone too ingorant or cowardly to recognize this and make a stand
deserves to be blown up or beheaded be some fundamental Islamic
fascist.

Complacency and apathy are just as dangerous as a 9/11-style attack.

Don't believe it now?

Don't worry, you WILL.

Problem is, it may be too late by the time you wake up to reality.


I love you

I hate all my teachers this year and my school because they literaly force me and all the other students to believe the wars bad, we are there for oil nothing else. This year for english I have to read a bunch of anti-war books which is bs. I have no choice in the selection i'm reading and i'm forced to read things opposite of my beliefs. Im failing english right now because I hate reading the book and rarely even pick it up.


Posted By: Wings
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by Thatoneguy123 Thatoneguy123 wrote:



I love you

I hate all my teachers this year and my school because they literaly force me and all the other students to believe the wars bad, we are there for oil nothing else. This year for english I have to read a bunch of anti-war books which is bs. I have no choice in the selection i'm reading and i'm forced to read things opposite of my beliefs. Im failing english right now because I hate reading the book and rarely even pick it up.


Theres nothing wrong with reading or listening to arguments against your own standpoint. Its the best way to test and strengthen your reslove in that standpoint. I don't believe teachers should be professing there opinion and views as seems to be the case (and i've had to deal with that too) but you just have to kind of go with it. When you write the essays or discuss the books thats when you get to let your view shine. I've done that to teachers and actually gotten a better grade because of it. Depending on what grade your in you can also discuss it with the teacher or have your parents try and talk to the teacher. They shouldn't be using there position to preach.


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 11:45pm

Or maybe you're failing English because you refuse to see any point of books that may differ from your original opinion. Or maybe some people are just tired of seeing the same images for the past 5 years only to have report after report on every channel deal with 9-11, almost as if there is no other news going on. No one will forget it, and no one wants to relive it. However, I don't see us with hundreds of news reports and docudramas about the 50,000 Americans killed every year in car accidents. Not to mention other diseases and so on...



Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 11:54pm

Actually, since the Repliclicans managed to get the Regan Documentary pulled, I can see why the  Clinton camp would like this pulled as well. They can say that if it's alright for the Regan movie to get pulled then it's ok for the 9/11 film to be pulled.

The differance here being that Regan was unable to defend himself at the time while clinton's camp is still alive and in as good of mental health as they ever were. After seeing the Regan film I found the outrage over it to be overrated, no doubt this will be as well. The Regan film didn't portray Regan as evil, just a charismatic, somewhat naive puppet. However it did rip nancy a new rectum.



Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 12:19am
Well I just seen the fist half of "the path to 9/11". It was really good. There was alot there that is not often told. It did make Clinton look bad...but this is one side of the story not often told. As a side note I seen Untied 93 last night. The movie was very well done. If you havnt seen it I suggest you do.


Posted By: RevoXT
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 1:10am
Originally posted by Thatoneguy123 Thatoneguy123 wrote:



Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

How old are you?
Revo your post made me laugh.


Meh....I just think it's annoying how we keep bringing 9\11 up... I am a pretty big republican but I believe the Iraq business as well is quite over-done....This can be debated in multiple forms, there are people who SUPPORT the troops and BELIEVE they are actually doing things down there, and then there are people like ME who believe that they are down there for almost no reason as of right now, about two years ago, yeah, they had a purpose, there was a major tyrant and he was <poopy> crazy. Now though...I don't believe that we should be on their land....And Bush (Who at first I respected) is a complete idiot if you actually LISTEN to his interviews it shows.. I personally believe he is basically D*ck's puppet...And Wings, I'm smart enough not to rely alone on the U.S. Media.. come on they sugar-coat crap constantly, I normally pay attention to International News which is much MUCH more informative. And on account of the memorials... I've been to quite a few, and I honostly believe we should move on. For atleast another.... fifteen years, everyone is going to bring up 9\11 on September 11th...I just get flat out tired of it. And the stuff that I quoted bush on he DID say, If you look around those interviews are still on Youtube.

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Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 3:00am
Originally posted by hwayhzrd hwayhzrd wrote:

That was one of the defining moments in the history of this nation. That
SHOULD have been the untimate wake-up call.

I am just amazed how many people hit the snooze button and went right
back to sleep in the post-9/11 era.

We were called out as a nation, as a people, and as a culture, and an
alarming segment of the country just wants to "forget it".

The body count made Pearl Harbor look like a traffic accident. Their
crimes? Going to work or taking a commercial flight.

Like it or not, we ARE at war. It is a war where our enemy has no borders,
no uniform, and their only purpose is very, very simple: we convert to
their image of Islam, or we die at their hands.

Period.

Anyone too ingorant or cowardly to recognize this and make a stand
deserves to be blown up or beheaded be some fundamental Islamic
fascist.

Complacency and apathy are just as dangerous as a 9/11-style attack.

Don't believe it now?

Don't worry, you WILL.

Problem is, it may be too late by the time you wake up to reality.


first part that made me think you have no idea...Pearl Harbor a traffic accident???  ahhhh...here are the statistics....

deaths:
Pearl - 2403
NYC - 2801

and before you say they are civilans and military, then tell me when one life counts and one doesn't. 

hmmmmmm...interesting.  now lets take a look at the cultural significance.  during WWII our battleships and the fact that we were so far from everything going on made us safe.  but once they crippled our fleet in the west we were thrown into the mix.  and what happened?  well, the US came through and help defeat evil.  now same exact thing happened but on our land and what did we do, well destroyed two countries without doing anything else but leave a wake of destroyed lives.

we did not hit the snooze button, but we did the complete opposite.  we, the media/politics/religious leaders/mom/dad all saturated the air waves with what they thought that many lost the translation and got fed up (i for one).  who knows what is going on.  who knows what the hell is tomorrow.  who the hell knows.  but this is what i know...

since Pearl Harbor, since 9/11, we have had how many "terrorist" acts, from different countries, against the US?  do you go to a shopping center and wonder if you will die from a bomb?  do you walk down the street thinking you could get caught up in gun fire?  do you worry about bombs at stadiums? 

well do you? 

do you really think we hit the snooze button?  just because we get drilled in the head, EVERY SINGLE DAY, doesn't mean we have to all wear "support the troops", "remeber 9/11", blah blah blah.

if you really believe we hit the snooze, go into the military.  go live in Iraqi, Israel, or Iran...and tell me...we are not one of the safest places to live...


Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:32am
I tried to join ... twice.

They will not accept diabetics.

I screwed up my numbers on Pearl Harbor, I can admit my mistakes.

I can at least a respect an enemy with the sack to attack a military/
strategic target.

To target people unable to defend themselves?

If that is not the pinnacle in cowardice, what is?

I have been waiting for an attack at a Super Bowl, World Series, big
college football game or NASCAR event for years.

It's only sheer dumb luck or minor miracle that it hasn't happened yet.

Take out the Horseshoe in Columbus on football Saturday, and the WTC
attack becomes a blip on the radar.

All I can say is that if you can look at the footage of the attacks and not
have your blood boil, you, sir are not worthy of the title American citizen.

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If I flee, kill me

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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 9:47am
I didn't watch the movie, Because I didn't want to. I know what happend. I
remember 9/11/01 plain as day. I don't need to watch a drama to tell me
how it "exactly" happend if the movie is nothing but a drama, not a
documentary.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:04am
Originally posted by hwayhzrd hwayhzrd wrote:

All I can say is that if you can look at the footage of the attacks and not have your blood boil, you, sir are not worthy of the title American citizen.


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I've seen it to many times for it to have the effect it once did. It just has little effect on me now.


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Posted By: Wings
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:43am
Revo - Our troops are still there because they havn't finished the job yet. Removeing Saddam was only the first step. If we left as soon as that happened the country would have been worse off than had we done nothing. It would have turned into a giant power struggle with someone as bad or worse likely takeing control. Then we'd have to do it all over again. So long as the new government is unable to defend itself we will have to have troops in Iraq. I'd love to see them all able to come home but the job has to be finished before that happens.

dark - hway is right in that there is a difference between Pearl Harbor and 9/11. 9/11 targeted civilians and pearl harbor targeted military. I'm not saying that one life is worth more than another but there is a big difference there. Attacking a military target is a strategic move in a larger war. Attacking a civilian target is an act of terrorism and cowardice. I'm not saying civilian lives are more valuable but the intent makes the sin greater. Why do you think there are international treaties saying what is or is not a valid target in war?

Oh and IMHO one of the reasons we have not been hit stateside since 9/11 is because it's easier for the terrorists to target our military overseas than it is for them to come here to target our civilians. Once our military returns from Iraq I think we may find an increase in attack attempts.


Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:45am

I won't watch it at all... I listened to the same radio station that I did 5 years ago at the same time and they replayed the 1st impact... I saw the second impact on CNN.   I broke down in tears.

I grew up near Syracuse, NY but I was in the City alot... I remember the towers and the surrounding area like I saw it yesterday.   I live in Texas now so I've only been to Manhattan 4 times in the last 5 years.   And everytime I'm flying in and I look down at the big blank space, I break down.  

I think Hwy hit it on the head with his "snooze" comment.     

Most of the Nation doesn't really understand the impact made because they have no personal stock in the tragedies.   Heck, even I can be found guilty of the same thing because when I think of 9/11, I think of the WTC and tend to focus on that and not give Flight 93 and the Pentagon the respect and reverence that they deserve.

But to the people who do have personal attachments, there will probably not be another more atrocious, large scale act that will affect them in their lives.  

So put the blame game and the second guesses to the side for a while, hang your head and reflect on what happened 5 years ago.   I'm glad you all know your history and can use a search engine to find out how many people died at Pearl Harbor... that day lives "in Infamy" already.   But that was a tragedy for another generation, this one is ours.



Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:57am
Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

So put the blame game and the second guesses to the side for a while, hang your head and reflect on what happened 5 years ago.  



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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:


So put the blame game and the second guesses to the side for a while,
hang your head and reflect on what happened 5 years ago.



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Posted By: TheDune
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 1:01pm

Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by hwayhzrd hwayhzrd wrote:

All I can say is that if you can look at the footage of the attacks and not have your blood boil, you, sir are not worthy of the title American citizen.


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I've seen it to many times for it to have the effect it once did. It just has little effect on me now.

It still has a great effect on me. But I will revert to my previous post of the effect car accident sites have on me as well.



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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 1:09pm
ok darkside of the moon guy..are in in teh military, just wondering? and i am also curious to know why ur such a freakin idiot..hway actually brought up some good points and so did u...u can not compare the snooze button stuff with ww2...the snooze button starts in tehran in 1972 was it i think..i cant remember...but i have to go to class so i will continue later

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Posted By: TheDune
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 4:07pm

Originally posted by Sarge14 Sarge14 wrote:

ok darkside of the moon guy..are in in teh military, just wondering? and i am also curious to know why ur such a freakin idiot..hway actually brought up some good points and so did u...u can not compare the snooze button stuff with ww2...the snooze button starts in tehran in 1972 was it i think..i cant remember...but i have to go to class so i will continue later

What in the world?



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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 5:29pm

Originally posted by Sarge14 Sarge14 wrote:

ok darkside of the moon guy..are in in teh military, just wondering? and i am also curious to know why ur such a freakin idiot..hway actually brought up some good points and so did u...u can not compare the snooze button stuff with ww2...the snooze button starts in tehran in 1972 was it i think..i cant remember...but i have to go to class so i will continue later

Dang... hopefully it is an English class.



Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 6:06pm
ok dune..i was actually typing that post like literally 3 min b4 i had to be there..and a matter of fact it was english btw..lol ill repost what i actualy meant to say later..

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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 6:24pm
its all very sad, i wont watc it but i agree with rambo


btw, did my sig get h4xed? i kinda like it.......


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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 6:42pm
i think hway and wings were absolutely right in all they said, from hways points to wings telling off someone who said it was a joke. revo, be glad you were not in my school today and said that, you would not have had a good day. a lot of people i know were personally affected by it.


Posted By: TheDune
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 6:50pm

I don't think anyone truly is calling it a joke and that it wasn't important. That's just ignorant. However, to make a stake that this is the most tragic thing to ever happen since Pearl Harbor is a bit radical. That was why I kept referring to diseases and traffic accidents. No one should think of it as being unimportant; however, many other things are being passed over for a docudrama that has even been stated as not "completely" true.



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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:01pm

Wow, you guys are still arguing about this? 

How's the line up on the forum nowadays?  Is the forum tottering to the left or the right?



Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:03pm
right........

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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:

 However, to make a stake that this is the most tragic thing to ever happen since Pearl Harbor is a bit radical.

i gotta disagree with that one, i understand other things kill people every day, but there arent people running up to them with syringes giving them a deadly disease....

i dont know about anyone else, but i meant that as the most tragic thing on american soil that killed so many in one shot since pearl harbor.



Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:


 However, to make a stake that this is the most tragic thing to ever
happen since Pearl Harbor is a bit radical.



i gotta disagree with that one, i understand other things kill people every
day, but there arent people running up to them with syringes giving them a
deadly disease....


i dont know about anyone else, but i meant that as the most tragic thing
on american soil that killed so many in one shot since pearl harbor.


I agree ... if that isn't a relative comparison, what is?!

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If I flee, kill me

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:16pm
Originally posted by Badsmitty Badsmitty wrote:

Wow, you guys are still arguing about this? 

How's the line up on the forum nowadays?  Is the forum tottering to the left or the right?



It is about the same as you left it. A few people with some sense, and alot of people who pretend like they do.


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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:20pm
We try to overlook you though, TKD ... !

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:16pm
Sorry Hway, I cannot understand you if you do not post in size 32 purple font.

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Posted By: Wings
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:

I don't think anyone truly is calling it a joke and that it wasn't important. That's just ignorant. However, to make a stake that this is the most tragic thing to ever happen since Pearl Harbor is a bit radical. That was why I kept referring to diseases and traffic accidents. No one should think of it as being unimportant; however, many other things are being passed over for a docudrama that has even been stated as not "completely" true.



Traffic Accidents are just that, accidents. Tragic? Yes. But not even close to the same magnitude. Accidents happen. 9/11 was no accident. It was deliberate, intentionally, murder of thousands of innocent people. Theres a big difference there.
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I understand that a lot of people may not want to be reminded of that day. But I pray nobody ever forgets it either. And when talking of an event of this magnitude and with so much effect on so many people I ask that it is done so with some respect. I don't care if you have a completely opposite viewpoint to my own. Just be respectfull of those who have died and those who have to live with that loss when your expressing it. Thats what got my blood boiling when I first saw this thread and the reason made my first post.


Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by Wings Wings wrote:



dark - hway is right in that there is a difference between Pearl Harbor and 9/11. 9/11 targeted civilians and pearl harbor targeted military. I'm not saying that one life is worth more than another but there is a big difference there. Attacking a military target is a strategic move in a larger war. Attacking a civilian target is an act of terrorism and cowardice. I'm not saying civilian lives are more valuable but the intent makes the sin greater. Why do you think there are international treaties saying what is or is not a valid target in war?




well the person that stated the point that i was commenting on said that the Pearl Harbor attacks were insignificant to the WTC, which is a HUGE misconception.  i think that they retracted that point later...

and i still dislike that people say that civilian and military are different during times of neutral peace.  which was the case in WWII.  the US was doing minimal at that point in the war, supplies, when the attacks happened.  which, in my eyes, still makes the attacks on a neutral country as bad as civilians.

and to the point that in war civilians are a heartless choice in attacking, then the American goverment has alot to answer to.  WWI and WWII was a huge attack on civilians.  in my eyes, that treaty about civilians lives is a complete waste of time.  War is War, trying to not kill civilians in a heartful move, but realisitically, a stupid one.  the enemy will use it to hurt you more than you know.

and to the other kid, english is your best friend.


Posted By: TheDune
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by Wings Wings wrote:

Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:

I don't think anyone truly is calling it a joke and that it wasn't important. That's just ignorant. However, to make a stake that this is the most tragic thing to ever happen since Pearl Harbor is a bit radical. That was why I kept referring to diseases and traffic accidents. No one should think of it as being unimportant; however, many other things are being passed over for a docudrama that has even been stated as not "completely" true.



Traffic Accidents are just that, accidents. Tragic? Yes. But not even close to the same magnitude. Accidents happen. 9/11 was no accident. It was deliberate, intentionally, murder of thousands of innocent people. Theres a big difference there.
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I understand that a lot of people may not want to be reminded of that day. But I pray nobody ever forgets it either. And when talking of an event of this magnitude and with so much effect on so many people I ask that it is done so with some respect. I don't care if you have a completely opposite viewpoint to my own. Just be respectfull of those who have died and those who have to live with that loss when your expressing it. Thats what got my blood boiling when I first saw this thread and the reason made my first post.

Accident or not, tragedy is always tragedy. AIDS is killing, and so is cancer, at alarming rates even. If you want people to not forget 9-11. Don't forget those either. Terrorism or by nature, a death is still a death.



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Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by Wings Wings wrote:

Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:

I don't think anyone truly is calling it a joke and that it wasn't important. That's just ignorant. However, to make a stake that this is the most tragic thing to ever happen since Pearl Harbor is a bit radical. That was why I kept referring to diseases and traffic accidents. No one should think of it as being unimportant; however, many other things are being passed over for a docudrama that has even been stated as not "completely" true.



Traffic Accidents are just that, accidents. Tragic? Yes. But not even close to the same magnitude. Accidents happen. 9/11 was no accident. It was deliberate, intentionally, murder of thousands of innocent people. Theres a big difference there.
_______________________________________

I understand that a lot of people may not want to be reminded of that day. But I pray nobody ever forgets it either. And when talking of an event of this magnitude and with so much effect on so many people I ask that it is done so with some respect. I don't care if you have a completely opposite viewpoint to my own. Just be respectfull of those who have died and those who have to live with that loss when your expressing it. Thats what got my blood boiling when I first saw this thread and the reason made my first post.


its not about the day that bothers many, its about what we did afterwards.  all this crap on TV for the last 5 years shoving it down our throats.  did you have any family members or friends in the WTC as they went down?  if not, then this day is only for you in rememberance.  for the people actually invovled, this day is for them.  for the rest of the year, stop shoving it down our throats. 


Posted By: Thatoneguy123
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:

Accident or not, tragedy is always tragedy. AIDS is killing, and so is cancer, at alarming rates even. If you want people to not forget 9-11. Don't forget those either. Terrorism or by nature, a death is still a death.



Nobodys forgotten about Aids or cancer. Theres lots of funding going into both those areas and they've been around longer than 9/11.

anyway finally more on topic I dont think I said this yet...

I bought united 93 saturday and it was a good movie I recommend you people see it

Edit: Anyone know if any of this money made on the movie is being donated to a relief fund or anything like that?


Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:36pm
its way too soon for hollywood to be capitalizing off of an entire country's misfortune

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Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 11:56pm
Originally posted by Thatoneguy123 Thatoneguy123 wrote:

Originally posted by TheDune TheDune wrote:

Accident or not, tragedy is always tragedy. AIDS is killing, and so is cancer, at alarming rates even. If you want people to not forget 9-11. Don't forget those either. Terrorism or by nature, a death is still a death.



Nobodys forgotten about Aids or cancer. Theres lots of funding going into both those areas and they've been around longer than 9/11.

anyway finally more on topic I dont think I said this yet...

I bought united 93 saturday and it was a good movie I recommend you people see it

Edit: Anyone know if any of this money made on the movie is being donated to a relief fund or anything like that?


i haven't heard anything about that.  so i doubt that it is. 


Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 10:51am

Originally posted by darkSIDEofMOON darkSIDEofMOON wrote:

its not about the day that bothers many, its about what we did afterwards.  all this crap on TV for the last 5 years shoving it down our throats.  did you have any family members or friends in the WTC as they went down?  if not, then this day is only for you in rememberance.  for the people actually invovled, this day is for them.  for the rest of the year, stop shoving it down our throats. 

Spoken like a true 12 year old.   I apologize in advance, but this just ticked me off and this will be a flame and a rant.

Get a clue Bud, there were ALOT more people involved than your short-sightedness aludes to.   Thousands of people lost jobs, thousands more were bankrupted, hundreds of thousands were nearly financially ruined due to the collapse of the ecomony.   I personally lost about $80,000 in investments, had a cut in pay and lost over half of my 401K before I was able to change my options.   I lost my brand new raceboat when the bank was hurting and accelerated everyones notes.   Thank God I was leasing the house I was in at the time or chances are that would have been gone too.   

I am not crying "BooHoo" over those material things and as a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever said anything about my finaincials here on this board.  You just need to understand that there was more lost than just lives.   It didn't end on 9/11/2001.   Everything that happened to myself and hundred of thousands of others is directly related to 9/11 and just about every one of us are fighting to get back to status quo.   The next time you whine about putting gas in Mommy's car, remember the 9/11 was a direct influence in $3.00+ gasoline.   It isn't just on 9/11 that we have to pay a higher rate, it has been everyday since 9/11/2001.

You don't like it being "shoved down your throat?"   Well tough, people old enough to have to earn their own living have been taking it in the rear since 9/11.   And guess what, we don't like it either.



Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

Originally posted by darkSIDEofMOON darkSIDEofMOON wrote:

its not about the day that bothers many, its about what we did afterwards.  all this crap on TV for the last 5 years shoving it down our throats.  did you have any family members or friends in the WTC as they went down?  if not, then this day is only for you in rememberance.  for the people actually invovled, this day is for them.  for the rest of the year, stop shoving it down our throats. 

Spoken like a true 12 year old.   I apologize in advance, but this just ticked me off and this will be a flame and a rant.

Get a clue Bud, there were ALOT more people involved than your short-sightedness aludes to.   Thousands of people lost jobs, thousands more were bankrupted, hundreds of thousands were nearly financially ruined due to the collapse of the ecomony.   I personally lost about $80,000 in investments, had a cut in pay and lost over half of my 401K before I was able to change my options.   I lost my brand new raceboat when the bank was hurting and accelerated everyones notes.   Thank God I was leasing the house I was in at the time or chances are that would have been gone too.   

I am not crying "BooHoo" over those material things and as a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever said anything about my finaincials here on this board.  You just need to understand that there was more lost than just lives.   It didn't end on 9/11/2001.   Everything that happened to myself and hundred of thousands of others is directly related to 9/11 and just about every one of us are fighting to get back to status quo.   The next time you whine about putting gas in Mommy's car, remember the 9/11 was a direct influence in $3.00+ gasoline.   It isn't just on 9/11 that we have to pay a higher rate, it has been everyday since 9/11/2001.

You don't like it being "shoved down your throat?"   Well tough, people old enough to have to earn their own living have been taking it in the rear since 9/11.   And guess what, we don't like it either.



so your boat was more than the lives that were lost?  your money was more important than the lives lost?  all those things can be replaced.  a life.  not a chance.

btw i have been earning a life of my own since i was 18 dumb ass.  but i am not going to sit here and make excusses for the economy down turn when it is easy to get back to work and get on with my life.


Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by darkSIDEofMOON darkSIDEofMOON wrote:


so your boat was more than the lives that were lost? your money was more important than the lives lost? all those things can be replaced. a life. not a chance.btw i have been earning a life of my own since i was 18 dumb ass. but i am not going to sit here and make excusses for the economy down turn when it is easy to get back to work and get on with my life.


"I am not crying "BooHoo" over those material things and as a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever said anything about my finaincials here on this board."


Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 1:01pm

You are officially an idiot... read the post... maybe hooked on phonics would work for you.   I never once placed more value on any of those things than the lives that were lost.  

Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

I am not crying "BooHoo" over those material things and as a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever said anything about my finaincials here on this board.  You just need to understand that there was more lost than just lives.

And I never once made an excuse for the economic downturn... but you are right about one thing it is easy to get back to work and on with life... especially when it is a minimum wage job flipping burgers at McDonald's like yours.   I never lost my job, but a $35,000 pay cut sucks when you are trying to take care of a family.

Oh, and BTW, I did have friends and people that I knew that were lost... one worked for a financial company located in one of the Towers and 2 who were friends of my Father with the FDNY. 

I find it amusing how your tune changes when someone comes down on you.   Take your beating like a man and stop now before you make yourself look like even more of a retard.



Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 2:37pm
Everybody relax, please...

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 4:47pm

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

Everybody relax, please...

Tried it. Doesn't work.



Posted By: darkSIDEofMOON
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 12:46am
Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

You are officially an idiot... read the post... maybe hooked on phonics would work for you.   I never once placed more value on any of those things than the lives that were lost.  

Originally posted by Rico's Revenge Rico's Revenge wrote:

I am not crying "BooHoo" over those material things and as a matter of fact, I don't believe I've ever said anything about my finaincials here on this board.  You just need to understand that there was more lost than just lives.

And I never once made an excuse for the economic downturn... but you are right about one thing it is easy to get back to work and on with life... especially when it is a minimum wage job flipping burgers at McDonald's like yours.   I never lost my job, but a $35,000 pay cut sucks when you are trying to take care of a family.

Oh, and BTW, I did have friends and people that I knew that were lost... one worked for a financial company located in one of the Towers and 2 who were friends of my Father with the FDNY. 

I find it amusing how your tune changes when someone comes down on you.   Take your beating like a man and stop now before you make yourself look like even more of a retard.



change of tone?  where exactly did i change my tone.  and btw again your wrong dumb ass assumed that i worked some where that i did not and earned less than i do not. 

and yeah i guess you can blame 9/11 for your deficiencies of not being able to make money or make your payments.  then you can also blame 9/11 for your rise in gas (which i thought was to supply and demand).  then you can blame 9/11 for your all your problems.  sorry that you lost friends because almost all of the US public got away without something of that nature.  but in all reality, the general public is getting wary of having to listen to all the crap about that day.


Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 6:34am
Originally posted by darkSIDEofMOON darkSIDEofMOON wrote:

change of tone?  where exactly did i change my
tone.  and btw again your wrong dumb ass assumed that i worked some
where that i did not and earned less than i do not. 

Rambino said to chill. You chose to not listen.

Enjoy your new strike for being unable to control yourself and follow TOS.

Any more takers? I'm just getting warmed up, kiddies ...

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