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Topic: Autococker...
Posted By: MilSimBaller
Subject: Autococker...
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 7:55pm
Soo I'ma an Autococker newbie.  How much of a problem is short stroking?  and is it worth buying an electro grip?  what are some of the best and how good is the aftermarket accessories selection for them?  anyone here with alot of autococker knowledge who could help it would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 9:26pm
Short stroking is easy. Autocockers with E2's are very very sweet. Autocockers have one of the highest amounts of accessories. The list goes on and on. Really the only thing is sometimes they can be hard to maintenince and to time. But other than that they are really good guns. You can either make it a Electric or a pump, or just a regular cocker. I hope i helped.


Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 9:34pm
so you mean to tell me that at any time you can convert it from mech, to electro, to PUMP?

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 9:41pm

"At any time" is a bit of an overstatement.  None of those conversions are something you can to quickly, but they can all be done.

But they all require different components and upgrades, so you probably want to choose is your gun will be mech or electro (or pump) before starting major upgrades, so you don't have to waste time/money on the wrong upgrades.

Shortstroking just takes a little bit of practice to avoid.



Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:17pm
timing isn't hard...  cockers are pretty reliable.  once you have it timed correctly, it shouldn't have a short-stroking problem.  check out the "prostock" thread. to learn a fun way to learn to time an autococker.

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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:06pm
Bleh, I still stand by the fact that e-kits for cockers are ludicrously overpriced. Just get a nice mechanical frame like a Benchmark, and a decent roller sear/trigger kit, and tune it nice. A nice 3-way like a Shocktech Bomb or Orracle 3-way will help as well.

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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:53pm

Thanks Enos , I've been lurking in the autococker threads , hoping to pick up a few pointers , got a Prostock about a month ago ..

For Milsimballer , I took it out for a night of speedball , shot about a thousand rounds , feeding it with a Revvy , and chopped only one ball , I probably shortstroked it . Overall Not bad considering .

 I think the newer Prostocks (mechanical , but very upgrade-able as mentioned above ) are less likely to shortstroke . I was originally thinking about converting to pump (about $ 35.00 from WGP) , but will keep it semi for now , until I get used to it .

The aftermarket selection of accesories is staggering , so the only upgrade I am making for the time being , is 'Natch , a barrel with inserts to match locally available paint sizes , the stock barrel is around .691" (havent verified that yet , but paint keeps rolling out the end of my barrel when I point it downward  ) . .684" insert should arrive later this week .



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SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf .
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:17pm

Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

Bleh, I still stand by the fact that e-kits for cockers are ludicrously overpriced. 
the E1's arn't that bad though...

i wouldn't recommend them though.  pump>mech>electro, as far as cockers go, imho...

...that wasn't supposed to rhyme.  seriusly.



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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 10:48pm
I am also a fan of oldschool mechanical Autocockers.


Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 5:56pm
i have 4 cockers all good 3 mech 1 has an e1.. get one cheap off ebay and play around with it

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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 12:07am
Hinge trigger which pretty much all mech cockers are now. Are ridiculusly hard to short stroke if timed correctly Slide triggers are a differents story. but with an E1 or E2 youre guranteed not to shortstroke.

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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 12:16pm
with my old cocker i had a reflex frame and an after market ram/3-way. it was really reliable and hardly ever short stroked, it could out shoot a revvy pretty easily as well.

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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 1:08am
how fast can a mech 05 prostock shoot? 

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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 3:28am

I would imagine as fast as you can cycle the trigger .

My guess is that I was shooting , at times up to 6-8 BPS (more than a little out of practice here ) , the revvy will only reliably feed around 10 BPS at most . Thats pretty much straight out of the box .

Oh , wait a minute I added a Pretty barrel , Thats guaranteed to add 3BPS isnt it ?



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SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf .
Widowmaker , under construction


Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 7:07pm
ok well...if i were to get an 05 prostock i would later on down the road make it electric...i have a halo b so i guess that would work good...

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Posted By: TEHGANGSTER
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by merc merc wrote:

i have 4 cockers all good 3 mech 1 has an e1.. get one cheap off ebay and play around with it


you have like 70 guns


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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 11:56pm
Buy good paint for your cocker.

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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 1:43am
^ why are they picky on paint?  AND why the price difference on cockers? Iv seen them for $100-$1000 range...

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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 3:06am

Originally posted by an94 an94 wrote:

^ why are they picky on paint?  AND why the price difference on cockers? Iv seen them for $100-$1000 range...

im pretty sure hes just trying to get posts.  the ones you see for $100 are probly knock offs (not made by WGP).  some have more complex body styling, more high end parts, electro vs. mech, etc.



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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 3:13am

The Halo B wont fit unless you get a clamping feedneck , I had to shave down the Revvy to fit into the feedneck of the prostock . 

 No Biggie , but thought I'd pass that on .



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SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf .
Widowmaker , under construction


Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 11:02am
Originally posted by MilSimBaller MilSimBaller wrote:

Originally posted by an94 an94 wrote:

^ why are they picky on paint? AND why the price difference on cockers? Iv seen them for $100-$1000 range...


im pretty sure hes just trying to get posts..


Cocker don't have detents. If you get a bad match, you can expect more paint to roll out your barrel than shoot out of it.

Now, you may insert your foot into your mouth.

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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 12:38pm
^^^ thats stupid Its a closed bolt gun, the paintball is in the b......Oh I see why they dont have them. stupid me

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1 case of paint=$50
air & entry fee=$15
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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 12:40pm
but if you get a freak or a lapco barrel & match the paint-to-barrel good, its not going to do that

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1 case of paint=$50
air & entry fee=$15
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 1:43pm

Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Cocker don't have detents.

Well that's just false.

Cockers absolutely have detents.



Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Cocker don't have detents.


Well that's just false.


Cockers absolutely have detents.


Not when the ball is the the chamber. Once the ball gets passed the breach, there is no detent stoping it from rolling out. I'm sorry if I wasn't exact but once the ball is ready to fire, and you point the marker down, the ball will roll out if the paint match is bad.

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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 4:12pm
i wish you would have said more then just "buy good paint".  i know for a fact they have detents somewhere.  so what your saying is once the ball is in place to fire, theres nothing holding it in?  then where do the ball detents go? im having trouble comprehending how this all works.  no need to explain, if someone would be so kind as to post a pic of the internals that'd be awsome.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 5:01pm

Jerseypaint is right.

There is a detent, but its purpose is just to keep the loader from double-feeding.  When the bolt closes it pushes the ball past the detent, into the barrel, just like with a pump.  The only thing keeping the ball from rolling out is the barrel itself, so it is important to have a good paint match with cockers (and pumps).



Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 5:07pm
huh...interesting.  so is this that big of a problem with them?

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 5:13pm

It is the main reason why cockers owners are more likely than other folk to use multiple barrels or kits.  Getting a good match is a good idea no matter what, but with cockers it is much more important.

If you always play the same place with the same paint it won't be a big deal - you just get a barrel that matches that paint.  If you play with different paints you will probably want a kit.



Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 8:45pm

Clark Kent and Jerseypaint are correct , you "NEED" to have a good paint to barrel match with autocockers (any closed bolt marker really , this includes pumps ) as the ball is chambered it pushes it past the detent and into the barrel .

I didnt realize this initially and got an All american 2 piece .689" , luckily the tip also fits the freak back I got afterwards , so I've got 3 barrels now , and an assortment of inserts for the freak , live and learn  .



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SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf .
Widowmaker , under construction


Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:06am
having a good paint to barrel match is important in preventing roll outs. however in speedball its realy not that big of a deal as your shooting alot more paint missing one round wont be as big of a deal.

ROF on a mech cocker is a bit faster than guns like spyders or tippmanns (mech) once you learn how not to short stroke.

price differance can have alot to do with cosmetics and name brand but can also be higher if the gun has alot of upgrades.

my recomandation would be to go with an older/real wgp cocker (2000-2004). stay away from system x cockers. if you buy used try and get a package without an air tank or sell off the air tank and buy a new one. hydro dates can expire and you have no idea what stupid things someone has done to an air tank. in my eyes getting a used tank isent worth the possable safety risk.

p.s. i have 26 guns the most i have of 1 type is 4 cockers.

if you have ANY questions on autocockers hit me up on aim or yahoo my sn for both is carpesignum


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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 11:30am
If you have the money, and want something that is like a cocker, but alot better, you could look into the PPS Blazer, but warning. Those things are not cheap.

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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 3:58pm
Oh the PPS Blazer is out of the question lol.  thanks to merc

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