hmmm a lot of you are talking about cost......air and co2 in uk are FREE fills on site....and about £1.50 fill in shops.

also SOME air tanks can be lighter,,,,the carbon wrap ones..i have 1.5L bottle (puts out 800-900psi to the gun, an the A5 is reccomended 850, so think the reg i have on it is perfect for my gun)

also at HROF i dont feel to comfortable about my gun freezing lol specially with some of the boards doing 20bps+...when the O rings freeze with the co2, they become brittle over time, main reason i use air is it is classed as 'clean' source to.

just wanted to know all your opinions.

thanks

3000 PSI is just a waste..

It isn't if there is nobody that can fill higher than 3000psi.  I purchased my HPA tanks around the local infrastructure.  It would be a waste to purchase a 4500psi tank if all I can get are 3000psi fills.

RevoXT wrote: HPA is cheaper at your field.. are you in the twilight zone? C02 Fills at field are like 5$ Here HPA Is like 9$... I have no problems with C02.. I haven't added my X-Core yet so it'll be even better when I do, Anti-Siphon does fine I can do fully auto and NEVER freeze up, the only good thing about HPA is you could get a 72CI\4800 and get about 1,600 shots.. :-P, and QcXF pm me and I'll give you a look of it with Macroline right when I hook it up which will probly be on Friday since that's when everything comes in...The drop I am useing is the Shocktech A-5 DropForward w\ On\Off ASA, the on\off is kinda pointless since my tank has a on\off valve lol but it balances the marker VERY well... and tecumseh the only reason I can think of that your Macroline didn't work well is that you most likely didn't have anti-siphon and were rapid firing.. causeing the line to freeze and then crack... and RicWhic414, What are you talking about "Lighter" A GOOD tank which would be 68\4500 runs you about 160-200+ I'm talking Crossfire\Pure Energy... 3000 PSI is just a waste.. Why spend 160-200 when you can spend 20$, add a smart parts on\off valve 20$ and then anti-siphon it for 10$? If you really want to adjust you can get a C02 Regulator... you don't need HPA at all.

If your paying $9 to fill your tank,their bending you over the counter.Thats outrageous.Are field you pay $15 for entry and all day air.that covers you from 12-9pm

RevoXT wrote: You have MUCH better prices....wow... I wish we had those prices.. with your own gear and gun it's 10$ no free air refills, 2,000 paintballs is about 80$.. this is at Paintball Atlanta.

Ooooh, that sux.  I will play at a field every once and awhile.  $10 for the 4 hrs of play time.  Free HPA & I think C02 fills for the entire time.  Paint (PMI Premiums) $50/case.

Unfortunately not very many people show up.  10-20 mostly.  Just enough to play speedball.  If more than that show, we'll play woodsball.

- robbo - wrote: so why do all torney playes use air and not co2?....jst seems like a hell of a lot of effort to go through putting all this gear on for the co2.......i spend £100 on my air tank.....it works lol just like tht......also its not just the liquid u gotta worry about....its still cold...which weakens the o rings yet again and makes the brittle over time.

Most tourney players use markers that can't use C02. 

Find it hard to believe that this is even a topic , wondering  about those of you who are making comments about Co2 being as good as air have ever used HPA? And as far as HPA fills costing more , yeah maybe in a paint shop , but on any fields I play on  most are free air or co2 . The only one that does charge , charges for co2 not air.

Switching to HPA was the best upgrade I have made period , no comparison at all . No more spikes , no more running out of Co2 while out in the field after fighting my *ss off to remain or carry out the objective only to run out of Co2 because someone is not really sure on how to give a full fill. Happened more often than not, use to drive me crazy. NOt once have i run out since switching to HPA (68ci 4500) even in a few scenario's.

My aim has dramatically improved simply because of how consistent the shots remain. One shot to line up , and second shot to hit the mark. I take so many peeps out that are behind bunkers peering out through peep holes (8"x8") from 60-80' as mentioned above one shot to line up or locate and then adjust with second shot to pop them in their head as they peer out through what they belive to be somewhat safe hole. I contribute this to the consistency of each shot's distance  soley because of using HPA .

Its not a myth its reality HPA will give you consistent shots over and over which is a critical component in woodsball anyways . Never again will I use Co2 or I should say I hope I dont ever have to use Co2 again . I do always bring my old co2 tank along just in case but I am a strong supporter of HPA for the reasons stated above. Dont knock it till you have really tried it for a period of time . I guarantee you wont go back to Co2 ever again .

thanks

GuNz

being someone who just recently started playing i am interested in knowing the costs of switching...

what all do you need to make an A-5 use HPA instead of co2?

obviously a good start would be a different tank which seems kind of expensive but whatelse would i HAVE to buy?

thanks

The A-5 can use HPA without modifications. 

Tippmania wrote: I'm wondering if you Wrathlon, have ever used anti-siphon c02 in a combo with an 8-stage expansion chamber..? Anti-Siphon prevents most almost all liquid from getting out, but under rapid fire some does, the X-Core gets the rest. That way you are ONLY getting air.. very simple if you think about it. Something tells me when you had C02 you did NOTHING to improve it\fix it, let's compare prices.... Anti-Siphon Tube - 8$, X-Core = 23$, 20oz C02 Tank = 20$... alot cheaper than a 68\4500 tank eh?

Sorry once again been away for a while .

Yes my friend you are correct I did not install an xchamber or anti syphon  while using C02 but i did install a palmer stabilizer and still have it installed with my HPA set up (Absolutely love it)

But as mentioned before the best thing and worth the extra money alone is that I have never run outta air since I switched . when I was using Co2 I would bust my butt getting to the front line or objective only to run outta Co2 , OMG drove me INSANE !! No matter what field i played on its happened . Yes I shoot a lot of paint but not too much for my 68 4500 , never  have I run out not even in scenario's.

Your very correct in stating that its much more expensive than upgrading your C02 setup with a few parts or mods. But like most parts if you look around carefully you can find some good deals but have to be really careful with tanks. I found mine for $159.00 which has been reduced since then to $149.00 But its a great tank and I could not be happier . I also live up north where it gets cold quick and stays cold for a long time. I want to be able to get in as much PBing as possible in the cold climate . Much better than sweating in the summer  So Co2 is not an option for me any more .

In summary Tippmania you bring forth some very valid points about both HPA and Co2 . I am not knocking Co2 as  I always say  "too each their own" as we all have and live under different circumstances . Choose what best fits your current situation .  Now i pose the question to you my friend have you ever used HPA ?? I mean all day not just a few shots from a friends marker .