your telling me...

Tae Kwon Do wrote: I dislike all racists, no matter who they are against.

Good point.

Da Hui wrote: MilSimBaller wrote: you know one thing i cant stand?  people who are racist against mexicans.  cuz i work with alot of them who are all legal immigrants and work hard for a living.  plus, they work harder then any of us would even think of and dont complain at all. I'm racist against mexicans in a way. I think its wrong the alot of them work harder than most white people but make less money.

thats exactly what im talking about

choopie911 wrote: MilSimBaller wrote: you know one thing i cant stand? people who are racist against mexicans. cuz i work with alot of them who are all legal immigrants and work hard for a living. plus, they work harder then any of us would even think of and dont complain at all. OMG YOU SAId THEY'RE HARD WORKERS, RACIST!

im sorry, im so ashamed of myself i deserve to be shot

this threads been hijacked.....

yea it was a good movie, i figured someone would have said that famous quote by now

Boss_DJ wrote: Dune wrote: Tae Kwon Do wrote: I dislike all racists, no matter who they are against.    Good point. what about a racist who's racist against racists =o

You can't be racist against racists, you hate what they think not what they are.

Illegal immigrants do not usually get paid minimum wage either. They get less because employers do not have to pay them the same.

RevoXT wrote: I will admit I HATE them when they [illegals] drive.. wow... I have never laid on my horn so much.

Good thing illegal aliens have a sign on the outside of their car that says "illegal" - otherwise, you would might think "illegal" about any Mexican-looking driver who drove poorly.  And that would be, you know, racist.

I rememeber after court I was waiting for about an hour to pay for my ticket.. I was next, one of the illegals that was being charged for BEING illegal cut right infront of me...

Hmm...   An illegal was being "charged" with being illegal (a violation of Federal rules, and not a crime) in the same building where you were paying your ticket - presumably a traffic ticket (good non-illegal driver that you are), which means you were in the county courthouse, and not the Federal building where all the Federal agencies live.

I think not.  Presumption and generalization, thy name is Revo.

You sound like that Strangers with Candy episode when Jerry yells at someone for calling another person a bigot. Like was actually as bad as the person who originally had written racial slurs on the lockers.

Hating someone because they are racist and hating someone because of their ethnicity are not the same.

Darur wrote: People who hate Muslims are called racist.  They are hating them for their religion, which is what they think.  How is that any different from hating someone for being racist?

Interesting question/point.

In some ways, I think being a racist/Democrat/feminist is just like being a Muslim/Christian/Buddhist.  It is all about the beliefs.

On the other hand, they are completely different - both internall and externally.

Internally, many/most people take their religious beliefs more seriously.  There are plenty of people willing to kill and die for their religion - how many are willing to kill and die for the GOP?  A religion defines your being more than a political belief.  Weddings, funerals, circumcisions, hairstyle, clothing selection, your friends, your education - all defined in part by religion.  Being a racist is less likely to define you so much.

Externally, we view people's religion differently from their political views.  While both can make for uncomfortable dinner conversation, we are more likely (I think) to discriminate against others, or generally define our interactions, by their political beliefs than by their religion.  People get beat up in school for being of a certain religion - Not a lot of schoolyard beatings of the local anarchist.

But, narrow distinction, if it is even there.  Interesting thought.

How do you compare them? Of course if you say your hating someone for their views then it may sound the same. But when you compare the views, it's apples to oranges. It's like you're saying anyone who hated Hitler for his views are no better than he was for hating Jews and Gypsies. That's ridiculous.

I still don't see it. I understand your comparison, but simply reducing it to hate alone and not on substance takes away from the real problem, which is the racism, the dislike and categorization of someone based of ethnicity. Hating racists never led to the enslavement and death of millions of people worldwide. Yeah it may be hate, but actions based from the type of hate ends that small similiarity.

We don't have a national language, so if there are more spanish speaking inidividuals in the country, why shouldn't spanish be our most spoken language?

On a very shallow level I'll agree that hate is hate. But I refuse to see how disliking people who use race as a basis of judgement are the same as those they dislike.

Clearly my thoughts on the difference between racists and muslims need some work.  I can't help but think there IS a difference though - just can't put my finger on it. 

It may have something to do with the place of religion in history - emos may get beaten up, but massive wars are started over religious differences.  Maybe it is just a matter of scale?

Hmm.  Thoughts needed.

RevoXT wrote: Clark, by the "illegals" I mean the ones who work around here which I know for a fact, are illegal since I know the builder that hires them.

So you were only commenting on the driving of the 150 illegal construction workers?  Out of all the bad Mexican drivers in Atlanta, you were limiting your comments to these 150?

And that still doesn't explain how some guy was being "charged" with being illegal in a county courthouse.

Sorry - I don't buy the backpedal.

Hilter didn't hate JEWS because they were "Wealthy" I doubt he even hated them. He needed a group of people to put a label on to make others follow him...

Interesting theory - what do you base it on?  While politicians love to create enemies, that doesn't mean that they don't really hate those enemies.  Anti-semitism was the standard of the time - I would actually find it surprising if he didn't hate Jews, just based on probability.  Hitler grew up in a time when many countries and towns had specific anti-Jew laws.  Hating Jews was the standard, not the exception.

Technically, if you hate a racist you ARE hating a group of people, that group of people dislikes other groups of people.. therefore, you just joined them.

Not true.  If I hate a racist for his beliefs, I am not hating him just for hating someone else - I am hating him specifically because of it racial views.  I wouldn't hate him for hating Metallica, for instance.  Having opinions about race is different than having opinions about music.  All hate is not created equal.

And now the detour into "OMGZORZ SPANISH":

...I am one of them because I am VERY pissed that because we have such a high population if hispanics in this country I am REQUIRED to take Spanish?

I would actually support mandatory Spanish nation-wide.  I think it is foolish not to learn Spanish, and I think it is borderline child abuse not to teach your children Spanish.

Meh....Canada dosen't have this big of a problem..

Actually, Canada has lots of immigration from all over the world, and Canada also has an entire province that is officially bi-lingual.   Yet they seem to cope fine.  Canada was probably not your best example here to support your position.

RevoXT wrote: ....english is our "national" language...

Says who?  And what does that even mean?

lol, are fore-fathers spoke english

WHOSE forefathers are you talking about, white man?

... lets just say America has always had "English" as it's "MAIN" Language..

Feel free to say it - wouldn't make it true. 

And even if it were true, so what?  People in this country (as in the rest of the world) have always spoken a multitude of languages.  Why stop that now?

Why should it not be spanish? Because it simply shouldn't be... most people BORN here SPEAK English because that's what we are used to speaking

So by that theory, once most people born here are used to speaking Spanish, we should all switch to Spanish?

Are rights were orignally written in english, basically everything about our country is orignally in "ENGLISH"

I can see why you don't want to learn Spanish - English is apparently giving you trouble enough.

... dang I really need to move to Canada.. they don't normally have to deal with this..

You keep bringing up Canada - I think you will find that Canada is quite multi-cultural and multi-lingual.  Tamil is practically the official language of Toronto, and French IS the (a) official language of Montreal.

lol. If you want Spanish to be are national language fine.. but I think that is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said to me....even though you didn't exactly say that, you did voice it almost.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that Spanish should be "are" "national language" (whatever that means).  We are simply suggesting that nature be allowed to take its course.

i think no one should make you take a certain language but be mandatory to take a laguage of your choose.

Our country needs to adapt to the changes, if that means pushing for a more mixed language culture, then so be it. I for one am not too proud to go a little ways and learn another language. I will push my children into doing so and would hope that as this trend continues, more and more schools will help children become bilingual.

Harder to find jobs? Really? When was the last time you applied to pick fruits and got edged out by an illegal immigrant?

__sneaky__ wrote: Never seen it but I wanna.

I could give you a list of powerful movies like that to watch if you had a real boring weekend coming up.

Alright, for one, watch American History X. If you like that, venture into the movie Crash. Also, try Boyz In The Hood and Do The Right Thing. If you like Spike Lee try some of his other movies such as Summer of Sam and Inside Man. Although the last two are not socially powerful, one of his more powerful movies/documentaries is called 4 Little Girls. If you really have the time try watching Malcom X. Slow in the beginning but it does pick up. Also, if you want something with a little more action in it, I hightly recommend Dead Presidents. Although not seen in the beginning as a socially moving film, it has it's parts referring to the inner city that can make you think. And if you want something a little more political, try Syrianna. Sometimes long and drawn out, but definitely appropriate for these times. If you want a good cop movie, rent Narc. Made in 1997 it wasn't released until 2003 independently. Some big names and great performances. Really makes you think about narc units and police.

With a little more time I could fetch up quite a few more that would definitely be worth a rent.