• Tippmann 98c with qloader --> I hate that blimp on top and I want to stay low profile.
• the tippmann RT
• a 14" barrel --> I've read somwhere that these are accurate enough.. A smartparts teardrop maybe? Do j&j ceramics fit onto 98c's?
  

• aimpoint --> i've played with one, and I liked it.
• stock, not sure which one
• maybe a remote
  

• stay low profile
• have a normal range
• be accurate!!
• shooting about 12bps will do for woodsball (right?)

pattison wrote: bps is overrated. that piece the barrel screws in on the front of the a5 is machined aluminum, pressfit into the receivers. (the fix to the 98 flaw) 98 barrel screws straight into the receivers. this is not ideal engineering, especially if you want to use a sight, because the low tolerances of cast aluminum result in off center barrels, the one flaw of the 98.

hmmm. i've never heard about that before. so the barrel on a 98 might not be straight dead on?

us-5 with a decent barrel

think about it you like all the features of the a5 but are gona remove the cyclone. plus you want 12 bps fully auto (which is perfect for woodsball) the us-5 is at least 10-13.

think about it, a us-5 electronic is $10 less than an a5.

so getting one would save you well over $100 maybe even $150.

with that you can buy the qloader system or a really good barrel

edit- it's a rascist term used to describe Italians.

Us-5 doesn't have a cyclone, that's the biggest difference. I don't trust imitators, though, so stick with Tippmann.

Ehh , other than the Cyclone being the "Wonder child of Paintball" I have to agree with Enos and Pattison , they speak truely .

Welcome to Paintball and the forums !

exacty how is the us-5 a rip off?

in no way cheap with less quality.

and you act like tippmann is the only good paintball company hybrid.

but maybe you can aggree that buying a us5 and a qloader is better than an a5 with resopnse trigger & qloader. the fact that it doesn't have a cyclone is not the biggest difference. since hes getting rid of it anyways for the qloader, the us-5 is perfect. therefore he will be getting the same thing he wants in an a5 for much less.

carl_the_sniper wrote: and you act like tippmann is the only good paintball company hybrid.

That is not even close to what I said. I don't even shoot a freaking Tippmann anymore, so clearly I do have other tastes.

I said that I trust Tippmann more than a company that is clearly an "offshoot."

you mean an offshoot of tippmann?

cause pcs is nothing like tippmann if you knew anything about them.

Offshoot, as in, immitator. I doubt the body design of the US-5 is accidental.

I'm not saying they are bad guns, I'm just saying I'd rather shoot a Tippmann.

um..... have you ever heard of a mp-5. and as different as 2 mp-5 based guns can be they are quite different and if you were to hold both you would see how much different they actually are. so for mp5 based guns they are completly different.

"I'm not saying they are bad guns, I'm just saying I'd rather shoot a Tippmann." fair enough

Ah, the temptation to continue fanning the flames.

But I see where you're coming from. In all fairness, I haven't ever dealt with the US-5.

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yeah ok

fire extinguished?

Yeah.

walter_24 wrote: Thanks for the info guys... I had no idea about that whole racist thing. SOrry if I insulted anyone. Didnt mean to. At the moment I'm still planning on buying a 98c with qloader. Its cheaper, and most people love it. This combined with a j&j ceramics and a RT would be a pretty good start right? @ carl the sniper: That Us-5 is a nice gun. Maybe I'll go for it, but I want to try it first (just as the A5). That the gun is a cheaper version of the A5 is just something i've read somewhere. (i do allot of research ) I would have no idea. I havent played with any of them.

yeah research is fun.

if you ever need any info about it just pm me or better yet join my forum so others can help

I would suggest the 98C as a good marker to start with for several reasons , maybe some of them will be "More" important to you because of the time and expense of getting replacement parts/upgrades as you go :

The 98C is just about the most durable and reliable marker out there , followed closely by the A5 , only because of the occasional problems with the Cyclone feed system , this is probably open to debate tho,, a lot of cyclone owners will speak up in defense of it because when it works well which it does in the majority of cases it definitly has advantages over a gravity fed hopper . BUT , if and when problems arise ,if you have a 98C with any agitated (as in Revvy or ReLoader), or positive feed system(as in Halo B , Q-loader ) , you can easily switch back to the original configuration of gravity feed , with a slight loss of performance on the playing field and minimal "Down Time" . Your Cyclone takes a dump , Ya better have a back-up marker or another Cyclone in your gearbag !

Performance-wise , the 98 can be upgraded and modified to equal or surpass the performance of the A5 (again , open to debate ) , but there's versatility options there A'plenty without sacrificing any reliability . In all honesty , there are probably as many upgrades for the A5 too , but again , the cyclone has a LOT of small plastic parts , and the faster you shoot the more stress those parts are subject to .

Personally , even tho I am an AAS degreed electrician in Electronics Engineering Technology with close to 35 years field experience in the "Real world" , I distrust anything electrical or electronic when there is a mechanical alternative available . So take my comments with that Bias in mind , I dont prefer electronics , WAS boards , E-bolts ,,, batteries go dead , wiring gets pinched , things get wet , I dont want to deal with that crap when I am playing paintball . I try to adhere to the K.I.S.S philosophy (Keep It Simple , Stupid !!)

A lot of Modifications (Mods) can be done to both models to improve their performance , consistency and efficiency Ie; Polished internals , Polished and fitted sear , Fitted recievers , Heck , even the Stock barrel can be made to shoot Quite a bit better than it ships from the factory as , so far the mods I've mentioned would cost you about 10 dollars US if you didnt have acess to a sharpening stone , Scotch-brite and some 0000 super fine Steel wool , if you have these things , it'll cost you about 3 to 5 hours of labor to dramatically improve the markers performance in terms of shot to shot velocity consistency , Considerably crisper and lighter trigger pull (as the marker ships , the trigger pull is well over 3 pounds , My trigger pull is just over 8 Oz with only one 98 Cent part that you probably already have) , and an improved Rate of Fire due to reduced friction inside the markers internals (Ya might get 14 BPS instead of 10  ).

Most of the forumers can tell you how to do these mods , or you could do a search using some of the descriptions I used above , If you cant find what you are interested in PM me , I can give you a "How to" and what not to do on these things .

Here are a few links to pictures of things I've done to the original style (pre-custom pro or custom ACT models) I've had :

My original 98 Custom Half speedball / half desertball (I live in Phoenix Arizona , a mostly arid desert-like region)

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/almost02.jpg - http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/almost02.jpg ">

Same marker , trying to hide the shiny stuff

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/imag0001.jpg - http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/imag0001.jpg ">

added some red oak grips (Lefty)

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/speedballtippy02.jpg - http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/speedballtippy 02.jpg ">

Second marker (Widowmaker), Most of the upgrades and modifications are internal or not really visible in these pics , but pictured JT 14 inch barrel , Centerfeed , BSA red-dot sight :

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/widowmaker4.jpg - http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/tippy98c/widowmaker4.jp g ">

Showing whats visible on the inside , Ti-Lite hammer , polished internals (witness marks in recievers) , Fitting marks on the recievers to reduce CO2 venting where it wasnt being utilized fully (the sight also helps hold the recievers together) :

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/widowmakerMODS/ti-hammer-polishing-fittingmarks.jpg - http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/widowmakerMODS/ti-hamme r-polishing-fittingmarks.jpg ">

Detail of the fitted recievers as they mate up , no gaps means less wasted CO2 , I figure this has increased my gas efficiency by at least 15 percent :

<img src=" http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/widowmakerMODS/clamshell-fitted-no-gaps.jpg - http://shadowminion.mypicgallery.com/widowmakerMODS/clamshel l-fitted-no-gaps.jpg ">

Sorry for all the run-ons and grammatical errors , its late , I just got off a 10 hour swing shift and have been up for 22 and a half hours , I'm Exhausted and on my second ,err , third  Heineken (the store was out of Michelob beer  )

I would NOT suggest the Us-5. It has reliability issues and Carl will tell you it is the BEST Woodsball Marker out there until he is blue in the face. And it IS bootleg. Yes, the A5 is based off of the MP5, but the US-5 looks more like an A5 than an MP5 anyway.

And look at it this way, the US-5 has been out for several months, if it is THAT great (Like Carl claims) then why are they not EVERYWHERE? Go to a local field, All you will see is A5's 98c's Rental 98's, a cocker or two and possibly a BT.

^^^my local shop has a us-5, and it's actually pretty decent.  It's almost an exact copy of the A-5 except for the grip and cyclone... 

pretty much, they're the exact same design...  so i don't see how the A5 is "better".  I'd get a 98c, though.  oh, wait, i already have one

• A5 (NO qloader)
• duel trigger (hope to find the jcs)
• HPA
• barrel --> Smart Parts Linear Barrel

see styro folme can be mature about it.

us-5 is not unreliable... and i don't believe the us-5 is the best woodsball marker out there (cause i love the rap series) just saying it might be the best for the price.

"Yes, the A5 is based off of the MP5, but the US-5 looks more like an A5 than an MP5 anyway." hmm.... that makes alot of sense.

seriously for a marker that's been out for a few months, they are all over the place. chances are you will only have a few at your field if your proshop doesn't sell them. i was pbing a few weeks ago and i counted 4-5. not bad for gun that hasent been out that long.

"All you will see is A5's 98c's Rental 98's, a cocker or two and possibly a BT." ahh i see that a whole 5 people play at your field... my field has a wide variety of guns just like all the others ive played at.

I say go for the A-5.  It is the big brother of the 98 and is superrior in many ways.  the only thing i dont like about it is the front grip which is replacable.  get the A-5 and if you are gonna play woods ball grab a 14-16 inch barrel and a good stock.  The q-loader is not worth it and the cyclone works fine without it.  Personally i would stay away from the us-5 just because it is a direct copy of the a-5 except for the cyclone, which is the only big improvment over the 98.

Please don't bump old threads. Thankyou.