noob questions. need help :)
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Topic: noob questions. need help :)
Posted By: lachymac1
Subject: noob questions. need help :)
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 7:53pm
hi everyone. i am a 100 percent total noob to this, i've only
plsyed s couple times and im totaly hooked, i've decided to buy
my own gear and start entering comps as i've been told i've got
the tactical mind for it. ok, first stupid question. Why do some
hoppers have batteries? i dont get this. also (by the way i'm
buying my gear off the net cos i live in australia and its pretty
much the only way to get it here) i've noticed on the net that you
can get CO2 tanks or nitrogen tanks. whats the difference? and
can you just use air in a CO2 tank and simply use and air
compressor to fill it? oh and one more thing. is there a differnce
between any paintballs that i buy? or should i get whatever is
cheapest to save money?
thanks for help everyone
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:01pm
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Motorized hoppers feed faster and more consistently.
C02 tanks have liquid C02 in them. This is filled via a big tank (mother tank) which can be rented from a welding shop. Fields and shops almost invariably have the capability to fill C02.
Nitrogen is a gas, not a liquid (at least not in paintball terms) The tanks hold between 3000 and 5000 psi depending on the tank you buy, and the more pressure in the tank the more air can be fit in the same space, and you get more shots. Tanks are measured in terms of the air they can hold (a 68CI tank can hold 68 cubic inches of atmosphere) Based on my last point, a 68CI/3000psi tank holds less shots than a 68/4500 tank, even though they are the same size. 3000 psi fills are easy; Scuba tanks and the right adaptor (yoke) are used to fill up to 3k. 4500 fills are generally achieved via a compressor, which are ungodly expensive (3 thousand US dollars and up) so many fields and shops do not have them. 5k fills are very rare.
Almost nobody fills true nitrogen anymore, and instead it's just air that is compressed and dried.
C02 tanks and HPA/nitrogen tanks have different valves, so you couldn't fill a C02 tank with HPA. Even if you could, it can hold very low pressure and it would not be worth it.
Cheap paintballs have bad shells, bad fill, bad consistency, and are generally bad. It is not worth it to shoot the cheapest paint you can find. I recommend middle to high end paints, these being Xball Silver and Gold, All Stars, Hellfire, Inferno SFX, Anarchy, etc.
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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:07pm
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first question: some hoppers have batteries because they have a agitator arm inside that force feed paintballs into the gun so that you can shoot fast. this is only needed if you have an electronic or a response trigger so that the hopper can keep up with the high rate of fire.
second question: co2 tanks and nitrogen tanks are different. co2 is a refrigerated gas. its downsides are that it is slightly inconsistent (without a stabilizer), and its efficiency is dependant on the climate. the warmer it is, the more efficient. nitrogen, n2, and HPA are all the same thing. it is a tank which holds compressed air. HPA tanks can be filled with an air compressor if it has an output pressure of 3500 or 4000 psi depending on your tank. HPA is very consistant and efficient, but the tanks are very expensive (about $200 for the cheapest good one) and they are a tad more expensive to fill. check with your local fields to see what the fill.
question 3: with paint, you get what you pay for. stay away from anything made by brass eagle. it also depends on who your buying from, and if they took good care of the paint, and that its not stale.
if you have any more questions, dont be afraid to use the search button if its a common question, if you cant find anything then just ask. you can PM me if you'd like.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:10pm
thank you very much for all that.
just let me get this strait. you CAN simply use an air compressor
to fill a CO2 tank with air. see i already have an air compressor
so it would be so much easier and cheaper if you could.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:38pm
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No. Since when do air compressors output liquid C02?
They can;t fill HPA tanks either, because they don't have enough output pressure.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:54pm
hybrid-sniper wrote:
Almost nobody fills true nitrogen
anymore, and instead it's just air that is compressed and dried.[/
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so whats that mean?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:58pm
sorry im a noob im getting confused hehe. so you can fill a
nitrogen tank or a HPA tank with compressed air then?
MilSimBaller you seem to think they're the same thing, does
that mean i can use my air compressor to fill either a nitrogen
tank or an HPA tank?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: daniero
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:09pm
A regular air compressor that you use to fill tires / other inflatables can't fill a HPA tank. Regular compressors can fill somewhere around 250psi.
Nitro / HPA tank refer to the same tank.
CO2 tanks are different from HPA tanks. You can't fill a CO2 tank with 3000psi of air. also, you can't fill a HPA tank with CO2. Technically is possible, but it's dangerous and shouldn't be done.
------------- Silver Invert Mini
Yellow 'Cocker
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:12pm
no no i have a high pressure one, dont worry about that. so as
far as i now know you can fill a nitrogen tank with plain and
simple compressed air.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:27pm
if yuo have an air compressor that puts out enough pressure...ie 3000, or 4500 psi
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:51pm
awesome. and does compressed work just as well as nitrogen?
are there any positives/negatives to using plain air as apposed
to nitrogen or CO2
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:52pm
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Also make sure that you have an adapter piece on the air compressor that filters out moisture.
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:56pm
compressed air...and nitrogen...are one in the same my friend...when one refures to nitrogen or compressed air...it basically means the same thing...so all in all nitrogen IS compressed air...
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:56pm
ok thanks
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:57pm
lachymac1 wrote:
no no i have a high pressure one, dont worry about that. so as far as i now know you can fill a nitrogen tank with plain and simple compressed air. | Why do you have a high pressure one?
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:58pm
except for the molecular structure and all anyway thank
you very much.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 10:01pm
no problem...with little help i gave...
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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 10:42pm
lackymac, what do you have a high pressure air compressor for, and what is its exact output pressure?
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 10:52pm
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I highly doubt you have one meant for high pressure applications. There are very, very few uses for them.
http://www.bauerpaintball.com/our_products.htm - http://www.bauerpaintball.com/our_products.htm
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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 12:04am
Well you can get them if your willing to dump the money on them like our team just did Max-air set us up a good deal. two bulk tanks. 4500psi capability all for 7 grand and we can fill scubas.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 12:42am
MilSimBaller wrote:
lackymac, what do you have a high
pressure air compressor for, and what is its exact output
pressure? |
well its not mine its my step dads. he has it at his work place. he
owns this company which basically just makes all sorts of
industrial stuff like truck hydrollics and stuff. i mean it belongs to
his company so its essentially his.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: pattison
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 12:53am
just make sure you know what you are doing before you kill yourself. high pressure is no joke. (thats why i say the c3 is actually safer @150psi)
------------- Eat The Brisket
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:00am
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lachymac1 wrote:
MilSimBaller wrote:
lackymac, what do you have a high pressure air compressor for, and what is its exact output pressure? |
well its not mine its my step dads. he has it at his work place. he owns this company which basically just makes all sorts of industrial stuff like truck hydrollics and stuff. i mean it belongs to his company so its essentially his. |
I can pretty much guarantee it's high volume, low pressure equipment. At my dad's work they have two giant 3 phase compressors that run their sand blasting equipment, and they dont output any more pressure than shop compressors do. Just a lot of volume.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:05am
trust me i've done my research. when he said he had one i
asked him if it was capable of filling a tank to extremely high
pressures. and he knows what his doing by the way are all
nitro tanks so much more expensive than CO2 tanks? if so
does anyone know where i can get even a second hand one
for cheap and shipped to australia.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:08am
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Ok, good luck with that. I cannot fathom why they would have a HP compressor for that kind of work.
http://www.pbnation.com - www.pbnation.com , BST section.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:13am
yeh i dunno either but he does, he has all sorts of random stuff
there. actually knowing him he probably just got it becasue it
was really cheap, probably stolen knowing some of the people
he works with lol
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:15am
umm another quesiton. on www.actionvillage.com there is a
brand called rufus dawg. is this just an immitation brand of
tippmann? becasue they custom 98's and custom pros and a-
5's and a few others... they just have a couple dif features like
the fore grip and stuff.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:20am
hybrid-sniper wrote:
Ok, good luck with that. I cannot
fathom why they would have a HP compressor for that kind of
work.
http://www.pbnation.com - www.pbnation.com ,
BST section. |
BST section?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:23am
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Buy/Sell/Trade
Remeber, your tank needs to have a High pressure (800-850 psi) output. An LP 68/4500 wont work, but an HP one will.
Just something else to confuse you.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:34am
umm 800-850 psi? i thought it needed to be more like 3000 -
4000
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:37am
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That's tank pressure. There is a regulator on the tank that drops that pressure down to either 450 psi (LP) or 800-850 psi (HP). No tank puts full pressure into the gun.
The regulator is what screws into the gun, just like on a C02 tank. But on C02 tanks, there's only a valve (on or off) and on HPA tanks there is a regulator. All tanks have these regs. Make sure you get the high pressure output, because the Low pressure ones will not work on your Tippmann.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:37am
do you need to become a member to shop at pbnation?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:38am
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It's not really a "shop" per se, it's just a place where you can buy people's gear directly.
So yes you have to be a member, otherwise there's no way to associate with the seller.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:42am
yeh.
ahhhh ok i get the high pressure low pressure thing now. so
obviously HPA (high pressure air right?) tanks come with
regulators and the tippmann custom pro requires a high
pressure regulator (800-850psi)
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:44am
Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:46am
sweet. hey thanks heaps for all the help hybrid-sniper. i was
100% clueless before i found these forums, now im at 95
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:49am
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Sure thing. Don't be scared to keep askin questions; I know my way around this sport.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:52am
hehe ok. umm so with the HPA tanks you can unscrew it
completely safely anytime thanks to the regulator right?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:55am
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Unscrewing it from the gun is just like taking a C02 tank off. It wont hurt anything and it is perfectly safe. Make sure the reg never unscrews from the bottle though, be it C02 or HPA. If that happens, you will have a deadly missle on your hands.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 1:57am
eep. k thanks. ok now whats the difference between a 45ci
4500 psi HPA tank and a 68ci 4500 psi HPA tank? it seems that
the 45 will only fire 800 shots and the 68 will fire around 1100.
why is this?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:00am
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45ci tanks are smaller, and thus hold less air. People buy these because they are.... smaller.... and the form factor is different in-turn.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:08am
oh right duh umm yeh, i think i'll go with the 68 then hehe.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:10am
umm so why do they make a 3000 psi and a 4500 psi?
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:10am
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Common size, good balance of weight and capacity.
I love both of mine.
Edit- some people cant get 4500 fills, so its cheaper and more reasonable to get a 3k tank.
Also, some people want to spend as little as possible on thier tanks. 3000 psi tanks are cheaper than 4500 ones because 4500 tanks have to be stronger.
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:19am
oh ok. new subject, kinda. whats an E grip. i've noticed that they
put a good 50 dollars onto the price of a custom pro.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: lachymac1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:20am
make that 30 dollars.
------------- lachymac
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 6:43am
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e-grip is an electronic sear tripper that greatly reduces the pull strength of the trigger because the trigger only activates a microswitch that causes a pin to shove up at the sear to fire the gun.
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