DeTrevni Designs Brings You:
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Topic: DeTrevni Designs Brings You:
Posted By: DeTrevni
Subject: DeTrevni Designs Brings You:
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:23pm
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The lightest gun in the world!!! EVERYTHING unnecessary for a fast electro is removed. Eyes on the other side. It works like an E-Bolt, kinda. The body is a laminated carbon fiber body so it doesn't unravel during play, and is bonded to a "rail" so the frame can be screwed on. The frame is aircraft aluminum. It's powered by the batteries in your hopper. The barrel is the shortest reasonable length (8" IMO). All the air hosing is inside the frame! Carbon fiber won't hold the pressure, so thin aluminum sleeves are inserted insid the tube of the body. Seriously, if you can make it lighter and more compact, let me know!
Yeah, it's ugly, but in a performance stance, it's the perfect marker! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:25pm
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Size kinda depends on how the gun works. Does it run like an Ion? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:26pm
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Originally, E-Bolt came to mind, but I think an Ion-like design would have been better... Give me a few days to come up with specifics. I may even patent it! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:43pm
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ru gona make it haha ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:46pm
| And where are you gonna put your non-shooting hand? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 27 September 2006 at 11:54pm
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Exactly where you want! I have a habbit of supporting the tank with my non-shooter, so I'd rest it on the Stab. For others, I guess I could throw in a skeleton foregrip... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:28am
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the grip needs a back to it... honestly, it has to be comfy if you made a diagram of the internals, i think you could trim off some unneeded carbon-fiber... also, i have an idea in my head... and it rhymes with pet jeropultion ------------- X |
. also, make a y-grip version.. see how it looks. Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:31am
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No back needed. The only thing that touches the back is the thumb, and there's a solid groove for that. There's also a pad for the fingers of your shooter hand to rest on the other side. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:34am
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DeTrevni wrote:Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:38am
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Well fine, Mr. Attitude! What was your idea? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:47am
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...jet propultion..... but between the fuel tank, and the two thrusters, i ran out of room in my computer screen... but a serius idea, ditch the stablilizers and use a regular asa... that would save weight... ------------- X |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:51am
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OOHHHH!!! I totally missed that pet jeropultion thing! Sorry, I had another blonde moment!
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 12:55am
hah  . but seriusly, you have a good design there. you should sell it to automag...------------- X |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 1:17am
If it's going to be based on the Ion design, it needs an HPR. |
Posted By: daniero
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 1:57am
You may need that pad on both sides when you switch hands. ------------- Silver Invert Mini Yellow 'Cocker 
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Posted By: pattison
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 6:55am
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i like it, you heard about the invert mini? reminds me of that a little. ------------- Eat The Brisket |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 1:54pm
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looks sweet it should come stock with a stiffi barrel
------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 5:15pm
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You are correct sir! I'll add them in later.
Yeah, that's what gave me the idea. I saw the Mini and said, "I bet I can make it smaller..." ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 11:16pm
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i'd definately buy it... ------------- X |
Posted By: mikeandkyle
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 2:04pm
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Ditch the hopper plug that has wires involved and put these plates on the inside of the feed neck and plates on the outside of the hopper. They would probobly be smoother (not stuck out so much) and a thicker feed neck would allow wires to be fed through. same with the hopper neck. ------------- 
Stole yours johnnyCunuk but im canadian and I love the pic! |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 2:28pm
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for a foregrip you could add some length to the body and add a 15 degree deadlywind foregrip
------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 4:20pm
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Mike: That may be a bit too complex, and would require a whole new hopper to be made. If you can solder, the battery mod is kind of easy, as far as I know. I don't know exactly how it's done however... Ric: Yeah, I might have to do that. Not many people hold the gun like I do I guess... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 8:11pm
| Where is the battery in the first place? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 8:19pm
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Sunuva... You know, I had that all planned out, but forgot to put it down. my original concept was to have a housing for it on the left side of the body, like the E-Bolt, but I've been looking for a better spot. I'm thinking of relocating the LPR to attatch directly to the rear of the gun, and housing the battery in the frame. More balanced. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 8:49pm
| So is this Ion based or E-bolt based? |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 8:56pm
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It originally was more or less based off the E-Bolt, but with a few modifications. I could redesign it to make it entirely pneumatic... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 10:03pm
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put the battery on top of the body, so it doesn't look like a pipe (some people hate that look), and doesn't add side profile... ------------- X |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 10:15pm
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Well, if it's Ion based it doesn't need an LPR, so you could replace the LPR in the grip with a 9v. What kind of hopper? |
Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 10:42pm
| How could it run like an Ebolt, you would need room for a valve and a front bolt. So it would have to be alot longer than that. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 October 2006 at 12:00am
I know, it was a basis. It was very rough. I figured there was a way to reduce the size of the valve, shorten the ram stroke and decrease the size of the bolt. I said it was based off the E-Bolt, I never said it was!  ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 05 October 2006 at 10:45am
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you could put the lpr either on the asa or... if you go with a gas threw grip which i wouldnt do but it you want to mount the lpr to the foregrip... y cant the battery go into teh grip
------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 1:10am
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ok...to me...it looks like you just made a ultralight ion...which using the same style internals may be the best idea for it...an ebolt requires more room and would make the marker longer...since you need to house a power tube and front bolt...iv tried to shorten the internals on a 98 and you can only mabye take 1/2 an inch out...using a ion type internal setup would be the best way to keep it small and compact ------------- 
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 4:09pm
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Probably right. I haven't got the chance to tear apart an E-Bolt (yet...) so I really don't know what to base it off of. The Ion would probably be the best bet, but I just don't feel like working with it at the moment. If anyone has any ideas, feel free to do whatever to it. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 8:00pm
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Make is more front heavy. Back players would break the gun in half with their 72s and 88/4500s. But I like the idea, I just don't get where my second hand will go for stabilization and then how it will balance out. I've got a few ideas I would like to show, but I'm scared someone (Smart Parts) would find it and steal it. ------------- 
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 9:07pm
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ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 9:52pm
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Don't laugh.
It's true. |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 10:03pm
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i know, but its still funny... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: >><<
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 11:10pm
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Who needs a battery? pneumatic assisted trigger!!
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 11:12pm
| Theres not much to taking apart an ebolt. Basically you have a cylinder a board with solenoid valve, and a battery. The rest is still just a regular 98, which includes the valve, linkage arm, and front bolt. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 October 2006 at 11:26pm
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Right, so in it's simplicity, couldn't it in theory be easy to reduce in size? Not referring to anything made for a Tippy, but something completely remade, but using the same principles? I figure this would make it cost effective as well. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 13 October 2006 at 2:07pm
| Not really, Either way you will still need about 1" of travel on the bolt. I say just turn your idea into a body for the Ion. |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 8:45pm
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1" of bolt travel equals a few things. Travel for the front bolt added to the chamber dimensions (.681 usually) Also the same 1" travel for the rear bolt in both directions, not to mention "buffer" space behind the rear bolt for the spring compression. Room for the valve which you cant exactly remake and sell, as its patented. Room in front of the valve for the air to transfer to the powertube. Goes on and on. Cant really shorten a tippy. ------------- 
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Posted By: A53707
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 9:32am
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A mag could be built very close to the pic, as far as making a lighter design, use a dovetail raill integrated at the bottom of the grip letting you use an adjustable ouput tank. Losing the Palmer's inline. Mags could be bulit almost to a tee of the pic. But The mini morlocks are hard to come by... Also you don't have enough room for the batt ,noid and board to fit.... An E-bolt wouldn't work for the design. It would make it about twice as long... Not trying to be critcal just some input. |
Posted By: A53707
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 9:37am
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here's one that would be close
This is a Pnematic mag too. Lose the Foregrip and add a Carbon fiber barrel |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 10:31pm
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Allright! Dang... I give up on the E-Bolt design (not yelling at you, A53707, just saying). Jeez, I forgot what the original image looked like. /me flips back 3 pages Edit: I see where the mag idea is coming from. The X-Valve should make it tolerably light... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:46pm
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yea how about... some how making the bolt wrap around the barrel. Kind of like the UZI. that would bring the barrel back alot. while making the Overall length much shorter. Id put the battery in the front grip. ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 3:08pm
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make like a type of pneumag, because the battery thing i dont know about with this. Someone said about putting contacts in the feedneck, but then youd have to modify the hopper. You know by next week Smart Parts will be introducing there new gun with your ideas, but only more ioner ------------- 
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 4:17pm
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Nah. Smartparts is too flashy now to make anything as "industrial" as this. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: PACMAN28
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 7:37pm
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the mag idea would be your best bet
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 11:25pm
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Anyone willing to donate a nice Mag valve???
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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