Would you use THIS GUN for speed ball?
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Topic: Would you use THIS GUN for speed ball?
Posted By: HammerSlag
Subject: Would you use THIS GUN for speed ball?
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 5:02pm
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First off, what is speed ball, no seriously? I have no clue. Secondly, I was told my gun is not a good for speed ball? 98 custom, RT, Flatline, viewloader feed, remote coil. Is it good for speed ball? I am a big, strong guy and I can fire my gun with one hand, do you need to do that with speed ball? |
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Posted By: estcstpnt
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 5:12pm
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Speedball is a fast paced elemionation or capture the flage game using air-bunkers. Most SB courses are 100 yards,closed in, and mirrored. And you could use your gun but it wouldn't be the best on the feild. People usually use fast,electronic gun. And holding the gun with one hand wouldn't be too helpful, I think. ------------- Thinking about it... |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 6:10pm
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One handed would be bad for quick changes to shoot from one bunker to another right when someone pops out. Your gun would slow you down in speedball unless you were playing people with your same skill and equipment, but remotes and flatlines are generally not used in speedball. |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 6:51pm
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The biggest problem that I see is that a Flatline 98 is very loooooong. That makes it much more difficult to tuck into small bunkers. The Flatline can be detrimental in a close range gun fight, because the balls tend to float. You will probably be outgunned as well, speedwise. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 8:12pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdmfcFx-1g - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdmfcFx-1g That's speedball. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 8:38pm
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No. The flatline is too inaccurate for speedball, most field don't allow a R.T on the speedball field and the coil will mess up your dives. ------------- 
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Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 8:59pm
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I sure wouldnt
------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 7:08am
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Your set up seems more tailored for playing in the woods , Ie; Woodsball" ------------- SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf . Widowmaker , under construction |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 10:35am
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no, RT isisnt turney legal for one, viewloader is to slow, needs an egrip...and a freak kit...or atleaste a all american...then ontop of that lose the remote line and since the 98 is already a long gun get about a 3 inch forward drop then mabye i would concider playing with it. as for the hopper...get a center feed and put a halob or a reloader b on it ------------- 
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 8:28pm
| sure I'd use it. I used to do well during open play with my 98 |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 9:25pm
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no, RT is not tourny legal. Good entry level speedball marker is an ION. You will HPA and a decent hopper like at a minimum an EGG tho. ------------- 
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 9:59pm
I'm not being rude, but its a pet-peeve of mine. Its Ion, not ION. ION is the Invasion of Normandy at Skirmish. -------------
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Justice wrote:Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 10:10pm
| One of my pet peeves too. |
Posted By: Justice
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 10:13pm
^ OMG  'sok Ion. Happy now? -------------
-JUSTICE http://www.myspace.com/outkastpaintball - Outkast Myspace |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 17 October 2006 at 10:21pm
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Well, no, you didn't edit your first post.
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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:53am
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lolno..i use a 98 sometimes but NEVER with a flatline..flatline is for distance u dont need that in speedball ------------- Nothing is Stronger than the Heart of a Volunteer Proud to be a Soldier in the United States Army! Commo Leads the Way!! |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 1:02pm
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ions are not only good entry level markers...you can compete with all of the high end markers like the matrix and angels if you really stop and think about it...the ion is smaller then them and has a lower profile...it is just as accurate and consistant, in most tourneys now the BPS is being limited to 15 so that doesnt matter, but if its not then a simple after market board can solve that problem, its centerfeed of course...you can change your grip frame to something more comfortable to you and change your body... simplest way to get a great ion that can compete with the big boys is buy an ANS razor ion or a normal stock ion, get your barrel kit (freak or pipe), a L6 bolt or firebolt, then change your trigger and feed neck and get a QEV your done...same hopper and tank as the other markers would use...plus ions are simple and there are not too many moving parts to go wrong...and they are very air efficent(if i spelled that wrong sorry i just got back up from a 3 hour nap)...if you do a QEV on a ion and change over to a CP reg you can get 1800+ shots off of a 68ci tank...once you break the stock reg in you can get around 1200 shots, with no QEV, add that and you may get another 100-200 shots, then a L6 bolt and thats another 100-200 shots, then change over to a slightly better reg and your looking at nearly a whole case or over a case of paint per tank...which is pretty nice ANS razor ion - 250 (has $260 worth of after marker parts on it) total setup at max cost = $930 not too bad really considering you will be able to keep up with markers that cost more then that right out of the box...without a tank and hopper or anything... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 3:45pm
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Raven pretty much said it. The beauty of the Ion is that yes, it is an entry level marker. But, it doesn't have to stop there. The gun is so simple and versatile that you can upgrade it to no end. In fact, with a barrel, feed neck, reg, QEV, bolt and trigger you'll be keeping up with guns over $1,000 for a few hundred less. Though its not necessary, it's nice that it has the capabilities. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:48pm
And then for 200 less, you could have gotten a Legend. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:52pm
 whats a legend? -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:55pm
http://www.infinitylegend.com/ - Legend -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:59pm
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broken link -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 8:01pm
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FIXED. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 8:04pm
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hmmm...its an intresting gun...but it still lays in the same area as the matrixs and such...not to mention when you figured the cost being 200 less...i added in a hopper and tank...do the same for that gun and it will bring the price to about the same if not more... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 8:08pm
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It will still out perform the Ion and will be easier to maintain. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 8:11pm
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how is that so? in what way is it going to out perform an ion? ions can shoot just as fast, just as accurate, and just as consistantly as any other high end marker
infact...the only reason im a fan of SP is because of the ion...i dont like shockers...i dont like impys...and i dont like nerves or the sp8s...the only marker they make that i like is the ion, because they have given people like me a chance to play on the same level as any $1000 marker
after watching the movies on the legend...i have these few comments to make...
one of the funniest things i find is that over in europe...electros are only allowed to have semi auto...there is no ramping, or psp or anything like that...just all semi...i think thats the way it should be...theres no skill in anything other then semi...its just cheater tricks to make it easier for non skilled people to do the same as skilled players -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: estcstpnt
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 8:25pm
I'm all with you here Raven.Ions can be just as good as any other high end gun.
And sick video DeTrev. That's one for the myspace. ------------- Thinking about it... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:05pm
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If you ever held an upped Ion and then a real high-end, you will soon figure out while upping an Ion is just a waste when you are going to spend $400 or more. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:10pm
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meaning what?
they look close, or just about the same to me -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:21pm
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Ever shot a PM6..then shot an upped Ion. Trust me, the upped Ion feels like crap. And even though both are spool, the PM6 or DM6 (because you showed one in your pic) will probably still have better efficiency and might even have less kick. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:28pm
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the ion with a L6 bolt and a qev and a CP reg and get in the area of 2000 shots per 68/4500 tank...and the razor ion has a aluminum grip frame...so i dont see how it can feel crappy...and considering that dm6 costs 1100 and the razor ion cots 250...and the ion has the 90* frame...and still accepts 45* panels and dosent require the three holes...i dont see where the dm6 is comming out on top here... oh yea...and the L6 bolt makes the ion have NO kick what so ever...you can hold the gun with one finger under the rear part of the grip and balance it out with a tank on it...and walk the trigger and the marker will not move... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:08pm
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WARNING: the video is a good demonstration of the ion...but the song and the maker of the video kinda suck, and he has a rather bad song by the bloodhound gang and he added his own picture cuts into the video...so i dont want to link directly to the video and wind up getting a strike...so go to http://www.youtube.com - www.youtube.com and search exactly "ion video HAHA" and watch... also i think he started out with a low tank of air... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:14pm
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Well since we started with the Legend I will end with he Legend. Stock it comes with a roller type trigger (I've been told the feel is the same), it has a CP reg, and QEVS. Its is also Spring Return Ram and does not need an LPR. This makes it damn efficient. Sure this means a little more kick, but its a small amount. Now the Ion stock will never be able to do this, but with ups it can get close, but not be equal too. The Ion will always be less efficient and slower basically because of its spool design and will also be a bit harder to maintain. Now lets move to another spool design, the PM6. With ups the Ion could be just as effiecent, but never as fast. The when you put on a UL onto the PM6 the Ion gets blown away in speed and in weight. Now matter how much you up the Ion is will never match the sweetness of a true high-end.
...and the feeling crappy is all about how the marker fits into your hand, the Ion doesn't really feel "sexy" its kind of querky. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:16pm
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Uh ok.... That was pretty run of the mill stuff right there. Also: How does a lack of an LPR make a gun more efficient? MAtrix guns are not efficient guns so don't use them as the superior in a comparison. Also2. 8000th post. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:17pm
Yeah. When I rant, I really don't make sense.
Actually the lack of LPR just saves room, the Legend design is more effiecient then the spool design. And with the Top-Hat mod (a relatively easy mod) will actually make the Matric pretty effiecient. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:19pm
| I was talking bout the vid. You posted while I was watching that. |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:23pm
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ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:25pm
| You barely know what a Legend is; how can you know the feel is the same? |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:26pm
yea...i know that...but considering it has a stock board...its decent...the only reason i really brang it up is to show that the L6 has no kick what so ever -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:27pm
| Heh. There's no paint. Paint creates back pressure, which causes the gun to kick. My freakin stock hammered Angel doesn't kick when there's no paint! |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:39pm
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even with paint the L6 has close to no kick, if theres any kick at all -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:40pm
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Great. Now I have to fight this.
...Okay. Take a Ion, put a Blackheart, QEVs, Feedneck, Reg, trigger, grips (I hate Ion grips), and bolt. This is about $500 in total. Okay. Can I pick a marker in that price range because picking a $1000 marker would be hard to defend (and was stupid of me to try, I'm truely sorry). So I take the Sonic Cyborg. Against the Ion it beats it in efficiency (its a poppet), in speed (the baord can go 30bps). The Ion though will win in the size/weight though. Basically through all this idiotic banter I've been trying to say that High Ends> Upped Ion (except the Shocker). And feel certainly does affect performance, most people need to feel comfortable to shoot their best. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:44pm
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congradulations...you just proved me a nice point...the ion and the shocker share the same design, only differnece is that the shocker has 4 valves and the ion has 2...and if you can manage to walk 30 bps...then congradulations yet again...and a blackheart board isisnt needed, the stock board is fine for people who just want to play...not show off... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 10:46pm
Finally someone else who agrees that the Shocker is a P.O.S. But the new ones I have to say, are a big improvent. Now they have break beam eyes and HE bolt, man I was waiting for that for a long time. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 11:02pm
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My Tadao can do 45...
Really. It can. But that's such an irrelevant thing to point out. |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 11:05pm
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max dryfire bps dosent mean anything =/...spyders can do like what? 30 or more?...i had a really old black magic at one point that could do 30...and it was a $160 marker...wasnt really mine though...was borrowed... you are not going to utilize anything beyond 20 bps in a pure semi turney...so what does it matter? most of the time you will be shooting around 15-18 at best anyway...so having massive rof with dry fire is really just a waste of air...not really going to help you at all -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 7:56am
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Actually Borgs can go 30bps with paint...but thats so you can make fun videos. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 8:30am
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l00kz, i sh00t r0p3z wit my gat n ramp dud3!1!! -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 6:23pm
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And the point of that is what? Just because Gun A can shoot 30 bps at the chrono station does not make it better than Gun B that can do 15 on the field. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 10:04pm
Thus "that's so you can make fun videos". I never said you could use it on the field. But because it can cycle faster than other markers ir does make it somewhat better than other markers. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 1:59am
wow...you really are not helping your argument there... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: woodman98
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 10:51am
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little off topic are we?
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 1:15pm
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The point of faster cycles is that its mechanically better. But we all know top speed cannot be used on the field. And I thought we stopped arguing a long time ago, but if we are you tell me how a $500 upped-Ion is better than a $500 Sonic Cyborg. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 1:28pm
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its lighter and smaller...and max rate of fire is so cheap to try and bring into a debate...stacked tube designs are capable of higher rates of fire becuase the bolt and hammer can free fly...totaly out of control, but at a high rate of fire...ions cannot do this because the bolt is under control the whole time, it never free flys...but the design of a ion and shocker actuly has more of a benifit on the field because of its size...a marker shouldnt be judges by its perforamce off the field...it should be judges by its perfromance on field...in which case...a cybord has nothing to outmatch the ion...the are just as accurate as eachother, just as fast on field, the ion is smaller and lighter...therefore it comes out on top. as for being off topic, debates such as these may help some people who are thinking about what marker to buy next or things such as that...but as for the actual topic, that was solved within the first 5 posts... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 1:58pm
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Well the Sonic is actually lighter at a weight of 1.8 pounds. And it is also more effiecent than the Ion. So it seems that the Ion only has profile and how much of the marker really is sticking out when you play? -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 2:03pm
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http://www.pbreview.com/products/search/q/?q=sonic+cyborg - http://www.pbreview.com/products/search/q/?q=sonic+cyborg thats all the cyborgs i see...where are you finding them for $450? -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 2:10pm
New they are $650. But because only one site sells them, used they go $500. No. I misread and edited the post right after posting. The 07 is $450 for pre-order but when they come out they will be 1k. 06s go for $950 new and about $800 used. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 2:44pm
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so really your not comparing a $200 marker to a $450 marker now are you...its more like a marker in the same range as a matrix and stuff yet again... your not really bringing anything new to the debate...and its just draging out the same old stuff...so lets leave it at this, who ever reads over it in the future can gather what ever oponion that wish from it... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 2:59pm
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No. The Sonic is in the $500 range the same as the DM4 is in the $500 range. Just because you cannot get them new doesn't mean that their going rate is flawed, nor is their performance hurt. Its the same marker for the same price as an upped Ion and is better. At $200 the only marker in that range to compete with the Ion and stock the Ion is a P.O.S. So I used what you were trying to prove, that an upped Ion is better than some High-Ends, and so I used a High End in the range of an upped Ion to debate with. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:08pm
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i never once said that upped ions are better then high end markers...this whole time i have been trying to get the point accross that they can perform just as good as them for less money...i never said they were better
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ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:18pm
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My point is that you cannot equate a high end marker for less money, you may be able to clone and have almost the same performance but it won't be the same. There is a reason that markers are priced the way they are. If you could reach the same performance for less money, them the markers would be priced lower. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:30pm
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is that so? its all over the whole world that things are over priced...look at shoes...it costs nike 10 cents to make a pair of 250 dollor shoes...they jack the price of those markers up becuase the know people like you will buy them because they see no other alternative... ill break this down even more, yet again... ALL PERFORMANCE ALL PERFORMNACE the point here is that both of these guns have the same stats on fields...shoot just as fast, just as accurate, about the same weight, they perform just as well as one another yet look at the differance in the price... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:51pm
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First of all the PM6 does not need a freak kit. Now the PM6 is lighter and smaller than the Ion. Its trigger is also smoother and lighter. Now for tourneys you would need to upgrade the Ion board as for the PM6 the stock board is just fine, and the Ion trigger is crap while the PM6 trigger is just fine. You never need to change the PM6 when you buy it, some may change the trigger for the shape (I like syth triggers) nothing is neede to be changed just preferences. You also forget the reg the Proto uses is $90. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 12:11pm
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and why wouldnt it need a freak it? or atleaste a aftermarket barrel kit? does its stock barrel some how magicly conform to all paint sizes? and why would you need to up the ion board for turney? i see no reason or proff behind that...and you seem to either not know, or not remeber but the ANS ion comes with a roller trigger...which is quite nice...and you can adjust the trigger pull down to 1mm if you want to...and i know the reg is the dye one which is more money, but the CP reg performs nearly exactly the same...and $30 difference isint much when there is a already $250+ more on the proto...and i dont see how a pm6 is smaller then a ion...it has the same design for its operating system...and the older ones (06 back) are bigger then ions...and some people may like upgrading a marker and making it more personalized...which last time i checked...you couldnt really do to a proto...there are no bodys for it, or differenct trigger frames... http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=d8sZ5DWyU7cZPnCIMR_ZTD8Uf7p9vuz4P4M=?ProductID=69DAqArbpfYAAAEOkNjkyWI9#" target=_blank onclick="window.open'http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Popup;sid=d8sZ5DWyU7cZPnCIMR_ZTD8Uf7p9vuz4P4M=?ProductSKU=010-393-0003&sSID=','popwin','Toolbar=no,Menubar=no,Location=no,Scrollbar=no,Titlebar=no,Resizable=yes,width=500,height=588' -
(btw, thats a 07 version, which costs $1000) smaller...i think no...about the same size. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 12:26pm
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To be fair, you WOULD need to upgrade the Ion board if you were in a PSP or Xball tourney. However, the PM6/PM5 boards are semi only, so you'd need to upgrade that too. |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 12:31pm
oh yea! i forgot about that...thank you for that point -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 12:59pm
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The PM6 barrel is great and has no reason to be changed, why fix whats not broken. Plus its a two piece, so if you can just buy backs. Next if you are going to put $600 into an Ion I hope you didn't do that all for rec play. And the PM6 is smaller from the barrel down.
So if you would minus the freak kit on the PM6 and put in a back ($40) you drop down to $1070. Then add a board to the Ion ($60) and the $30 bucks for the better reg (you want to equate don't you?) So That turns out to $945. This now leaves a $125 difference. Alot smaller than the $300 dollar difference you had, but until I can compare both side by side I will have to say that they both will probably shoot about the same. Now I also want to mention one thing every paintballer should keep in mind when they buy a marker. Resale. The PM6 with ups can be resold for the same $700 and up. But the Ion, well you might get $500 for it. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 5:25pm
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one back is not going to help you much when you're going around using differnt paint at games, a freak kits inserts only cost 15 each...or less...instead of 40...anyway...going onto your point about getting the better reg and board...ok...so 60 for a ion board...but...its 160 for a dm6 board...which is a big difference...MATH TIME! lets use the PM7...since its the one you want to say is smaller and lighter then the ion... ANS ion - 250 yep...thats still a very large difference...and as far as resale goes...if your putting that much into a marker why would you want to sell it?...and there isint much a difference between a 700 resale and a 500 resale when you saved yourself over 500... -------------
ions are like mustangs...alot of people have them but not many know how to use them... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 5:37pm
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I thought we were going to stick with the PM6? The PM6 is still lighter, and actually might be smaller (I'll line them up on the 28th). Now, I thought I would use the best board for the price but since you insist, I will add the $100 and now the Ion is only about $25 off from the PM6. -------------
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Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 9:19pm
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stick with the pm6? lol...alright fine... alright...our markers...obviously...the ans is smaller then a pm6...but lets ignore that...weight should be about the same...so lets ignore that aswell... lets just look at costs... PM6 - $725 ANS ion - 250 if you just want a ASA with on/off then its between $25-$40 so yea...thats not really much of a major investment... http://www.virtuepaintball.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=281&categoryID=182 - Virtue Ion Board - Available now. http://www.scenariodreams.com/productpages/iontboard.htm - Scenario Dreams T-Board - Available now
alright...at this point...i think its just best if we leave it at that...you can have your own ideas about this, and i can have mine, i just hope that all of this has helped a few people out. -------------
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 10:24pm
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This thread is getting to be repetitive. Just adding in, dont forget the ion's bottomline. VERY VERY few people keep the duckbill, and rails/on/offs arent very cheap ------------- 
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Posted By: Snick
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 8:58am
um..... looking at the pictures I would actually say the PM6 is smaller, yours forgetting to factor in the fact that the picture shows the PM6 leaning forward closer to the camera and the Ion is leaning away. to me it looks like the PM6 is (slightly) smaller than the Ion, but it is noticable enough to mention -------------  
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