CNN Can Rot In Hell.
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Topic: CNN Can Rot In Hell.
Posted By: Kristofer
Subject: CNN Can Rot In Hell.
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 8:37am
| So CNN is showing a Video that was given to them by Insurgents in Iraq. In the Video the "Sniper Team" shoot US Troops. The only thing CNN did was not show the Trooper fall down after he was shot, but in some cases you can see the Troop laying on the ground, or his buddy dragging him to cover. Yeah. CNN Is basically helping the insurgents advertise. So Screw CNN. I wont give you the link for it. But if you browse the CNN website you'll find it. October 18 was when it was aired on TV. Its plain disgusting that CNN would show this. |
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 8:42am
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...wtf? i wouldn't want to see actual combat on the news from either side.
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Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:00am
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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Oct19/0,4670,TVCNNSnipers,00.html - Yoishcoaster! ------------- 
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:17am
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crazy crazy.
I prefer CNN over Fox anyday. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:38am
| Saw this on digg: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/19/125148/65 - How much news is actually on CNN.com |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:03am
| although that is the reality of war and those attacks have been numorous recently CNN knows that those videos are propaganda made by insurgents. Why should they showing them? |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:33am
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News is News. They are not advertising for the insurgents, they are reporting news. Get the hell over it. ------------- 
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:36am
| tae im sure youd have a different opinion if we were talking about FOX. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:49am
| If they put it in proper context as a propaganda peice it's distasteful but ok. If they were just like "OMGshockingvideolookatthis" then that's just being a mouthpeice for the insurgency. If you present it right, you can defang the propaganda aspect of it. but showing the impact shots on TV is just tasteless. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:25am
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I hate the "Communist News Network," they do whatever they can to undermine the saftey of our troops in Iraq, just so they can say " Look how bad it is over there, we should pull out right away!" -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:36am
or if it really is bad over there... we might be interested in leaving. -------------
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MT. Vigilante wrote:Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:37am
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I'm torn on this. Would they show American snipers taking out insurgents, or simply report casualty figures? I suspect we all know they'd likely do neither half the time. On one side I'm all for freedom of the press and reporting what's going on over there. On the other, showing the deaths/wounding of soldiers may not be appropriate. CNN's motives are definitely questionable. In either case, they gave the insurgents exactly what they wanted in this one. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 12:02pm
I am talking about FOX. I am talking about any network who may get flack for doing their job. -------------
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Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 12:13pm
agreed. There's so much stuff out there that I disagree with. There's not much you can do about it. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 1:24pm
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.geraldo/ - Fox has done worse ---- had to ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 2:07pm
Yep. And how many times have they shown terrorists getting blown up? They played right into Bush's hands with the whole shock in awe crap.....It's not like they're saying "look at the American infedels getting what they deserve!" They are reporting on what is happening, period. Showing sun shine and roses on every war report might help public sentiment for this idiocy, but it wouldn't be the truth.... -------------  |
Posted By: ¤ RaVeN ¤
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 2:10pm
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very much agreed, i would rather know the truth about whats going on, then just have them say its fine, we are winning, they are losing, everything will be ok... ------------- 
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 2:58pm
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i'd rather be told they are still wasting their time than watch anyone get shot. sure it may lose some of the harsh reality associated with graphic images, but the same information can be conveyed without seeing it happen.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:09pm
Exactly. So you'd rather be totally blind and deaf to what's really going on over there? If you can't see it, its not happening? Sure, no-one wants to see their soldiers, or anyone get killed, but to make claims like "they're helping the terrorists" is just stupid and childish. Grow up. |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:15pm
| doood people still watch the news? that's so old.. |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:21pm
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Im kinda on the fence about all of this but all i have to say is news stations are going after what everyone else is going after tv ratings... if they think its going to get people to watch them they will put it up... its economics if people watch there show they make more money
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:23pm
Personally, I think that blacking it out kind of ruined it, morbid curiosity has got me wanting to see what happened. Naturally the insurgents got what they wanted there, but it pains me to see stupid comments like trying to guess what he was saying, obviously not what he was saying. It makes those against it's arguments worse when you have people doing stupid stuff like that. Anyways, meh, im all for free press, but showing our soldiers getting sniped isn't exactly good for morale, and if you know about the media, that's something that the white house has always used it for. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:40pm
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all american news channels suck face it. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:43pm
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except for comedy central i watch jon stewart and the cobert report
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:45pm
| Wait, so how is this different than "News" that just repeats White House Press releases? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:45pm
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i thought comedy channel was canadian. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:48pm
It is, Comedy Central is america. Basically the same. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:48pm
Comedy Central = American |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:58pm
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I appologize everyone, it seems that military.com has taken the insurgent video that I mentioned earlier off their web site, or at least I couln't find it. And predator, aparently you have no sense of humor, I was joking when I quoted the insurgent, I know thats not what he said. Infact he just said " alah aqbar " (alah is great) over and over again. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 3:59pm
You could say footage was released, compared to actually showing it ------------- 
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:01pm
i know, ive got a sense of humor, it's just it makes it hard to have an arguement when everybody on your side is making jokes. Nothing personal, I'm just pissed at the media right now. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:05pm
| Its actually considered Treason. There is a very fine line between Freedom of the Press and Aiding an Enemy in a time of war. This video was made by the insurgents for propaganda purposes. CNN obtained this video somehow. Whether they were given it or the dare I say purchased it matters even more. If it was given it is still showing propaganda footage that has US Troops being killed in a foreign nation. If they purchased it, that means they purchased it from a terrorist group. Therefore giving them money which will then be used to purchase new weapons and ammo to kill our troops. So they would then be indirectly funding the insurgents who kill our troops. So yeah. Its TREASON to aide the enemy in anyway. This propaganda footage being aired and posted on their website is quite possibly considered treason. If one of those troops was killed in that video. And a family member knows that it was their son. They could possibly shut down CNN. Its unlikely that anyone in the video would be indentified but its not impossible either. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:07pm
I wont get over it. Its our troops in a warzone being shot at. Shown on TV. With Propaganda footage made by the enemy. Obtained by unknown means at this time. Its not NEWS. Its Propaganda for the ENEMY which therefore is a lot like TREASON. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:13pm
It's treason when a federal prosecutor proves it is in a criminal trial. The U.S. is conducting criminal trials, so if there is in fact treasonous activity in this, it will be made clear. Until then, state your opinion as such: opinion. It is both news AND propaganda- though much news these days IS propaganda anyway. In a way one might argue that journalistic integrity compels the media to broadcast both sides' propaganda equally, and they've certainly never hesitated to publish propaganda for the coalition. Like it or not, this is what Americans are facing over there, and due to the democratic system the American population has a right to know what it is that other Americans have been sent to do on their behalf and with their tax dollars. This is a brutal and distasteful way of doing it, but it's not terribly different from broadcasting any of Osama's videos (which has been done) or any number of other reports that can be found that report coalition setbacks. Truth is Truth. Propaganda is either heavily spun Truth, or outright falsehood. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:15pm
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Hey, thanks for going into Iraq to begin with.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:19pm
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Yay for passive voice! Let me restate: "______ considers it treason." Please fill in the blank. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 4:42pm
Sigh... CNN did not shoot the troops. They did not load the gun. They did not aim the gun. They did not pull any triggers. They are not showing the tape and going OMG LOOK HOW COOL THE INSURGENTS ARE!!!!. They found a propaganda tape from the enemy. They presented it as such. It is something that is going on over there. It really is happening. It is NEWS. CNN is in the business of showing NEWS. CNN is not in the business of being a morale boost, or a tool of the White House, or a weapon to make it look we are winning. It is a NEWS SOURCE. The video, is NEWS. Crying treason just blows any sort of credibility that you may have had. Honestly you have to see how saying CNN is committing treason makes you sound really silly. -------------
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Posted By: Hippymon
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 5:05pm
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i must say, CNN stands for communict news network.. meaning that they are all Bush bashing, conservative/republican hating, anti-life, pro-poor, anti-rich people. ------------- w0000t trolling is my specialty. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 5:13pm
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 6:46pm
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Omg. So, what about all those Osama tapes? Are you against the networks showing those?
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 7:09pm
| dO0oD. Osama is old news... |
Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 7:46pm
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CNN should be shut down for pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to watch the video. Oh wait...they aren't.. So don't watch it?
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 8:20pm
I was waiting for that one. Usama tapes are him calling for the US to be destroyed. They dont show us being shot in a warzone. They are also approved by the State so it doesnt matter either way. If the government didnt want them shown. they probably would be considered treason if they were. but the government doesnt say hey dont show it. so its shown. This tape however. Shows my brothers in arms being killed. And in one scene his buddy goes to help him and protect his body. To me thats uncalled for. It was taped by the enemy. Used for propaganda purposes AGAINST the US. Showing it only strengthens the enemy cause. As for my so called loss of credibility. I dont see how me saying what they did was Treason a loss of credibility. In WW2. If a news media played propaganda created by the Nazis or Japanese they would have been charged with treason. this is no different. as for the US media showing pro US propaganda. Yeah obviously no problem with that. Its OUR country. We should SUPPORT our cause, not the enemies cause. Thus show our Propaganda no the enemies propaganda. Which goes against our cause and weakens our ability to fight therefore helping the enemy. |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 8:25pm
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 8:39pm
I am sorry but I got chills when reading that. Downright scary sometimes how blatantly ignorant some people can be. Ok, do you really, honestly, think that CNN played the video with the intention to drum up support for the Iraqi Insurgency? Or do you think they did it to show what the Insurgency is actually doing. News is news. The fact that the Insurgency is making videos in an attempt to drum up support is NEWS. It is actually happening. The public has a right to know what is going on. It is NOT CNN's responsibility to but on blinders and only report the happiness of Iraq's US occupation. CNN is not a tool. It is not supposed to be supporting ANY cause. It does not support cause. Does not. I cannot make it any clearer. It is not supposed to support the war, or denounce the war. It's job is to show what is going on, and that video is what is going on. Doing their job, not being a smoke-screen of disillusion, does not make them treasonous. Now, do you have any Logos to back up that Pathos? -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:47pm
| I wonder what our soldiers in Iraq think of CNN?? Anybody care to guess?? |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:52pm
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:57pm
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It matters because their the ones who are out their getting shot at and maybe they dont want to be reminded of their buddy's deaths when ever they turn on the tv, and same goes for the families of the soldiers.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:01pm
So ignorance is bliss? -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:14pm
Don't avoid the question, answer it. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:24pm
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Ok. I do not know what they think of CNN. Nor do I care. Nor should CNN care. CNN's job, once again, is to report the news. Not to support anyones side. Not to make anyone feel good. Their job is to report what is going on. Plain and simple. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:37pm
Fair enough. I respectfully disagree. The US forces as our forces. The good guys(something many here have forgoten). I believe our country and the media should not only care about them, but support them in every way possible. We are at war! Its the Troops job to win. What CNN did(or is trying to do) is undermine the war effort, and at the same time destroy morale. CNN calls it news worthy, but Many see it as otherwise. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:48pm
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 10:55pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:16pm
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No, they wouldn't have. Anything else you would like to make up? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:19pm
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I was wondering the same thing. Director #1: Man, I wish we could destroy the morale of the American troops. That would be kewl. Director #2: Yeah, that would be uber-kewl. But how? Director #1: Maybe we can take ribbons off of the backs of trucks? No way they can fight without ribbons on pickups in Nebraska. Director #2: Not a bad idea. Anybody else? [other ideas] Chairman: It's settled, then. We will show terrorist propaganda films that have no news value, and are treasonous, for the sole purpose of destroying troop morale. Motion carries. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:23pm
Actually they would have been brought up on treason, if they did such a thing. However they didn't, the press was a diffrent breed back then. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:24pm
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While I agree that the press behaved differently at that time, I continue to challenge this unsupported speculative conclusion that "they" "would have been" brought up on treason. I challenge anybody to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever to support this claim. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:26pm
LOL you should check out CNNs past record, Its pretty obvious. While your at it look up the BBC. Both News outlets have a leftist Kool Aid drinking political agenda. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:30pm
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And "destroy troop morale" is on the leftist political agenda? |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:32pm
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:32pm
No, no they really do not. It seems like you want the media to be a tool. It is not a tool. Media is a different breed now. I like to think it is a better breed than it used to be. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:35pm
There's no need to. In fact I don't think there were any incidents of it(maybe thanks to the FBI and their heavy hand?). Remember the press, was diffrent back then. They hid the fact that FDR was crippled with polio. They hid JFKs numerous affairs. Today all that would be front page gossip. Not only as the press a different breed back then, but so was the American people. Back in the 40's there was rationing of goods like sugar, copper and gasoline. Could you imagine that now? People would be rioting. What I'm getting at is people living in the 40s were a different lot. They cared for America first, there's a reason as to why they were Americans greatest generation. Today's generation is far from it. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:35pm
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And I'm still waiting for the evidence that anybody would have been charged with treason, let alone convicted. Here's a couple of hints to consider: Only a citizen can be charged with treason. "The press" is not a citizen, nor is CNN - they would have to charge one or more individuals personally. Second, only thirty-odd citizens have been charged with treason in the entire history of the US. Very few have actually been convicted. I suggest you all go back to review the history of treason prosecutions, convictions/acquittals, and appeals, before you make random (and completely wrong) statements about who would and would not have been charged with treason. |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:36pm
McCarthyism maybe? Or however you spell his daggone name. Even though that was cold war. The idea was still around then. Look how they rounded up anyone who was Japanese. Clearly they would have rounded up any possibly treasonists. I think I made that word up. Also. I know its no privately owned news organizations job to support any cause. But they could have just as easily said, the Insurgents are now using sniper tactics with great effect. And gone into some detail about it. But showing their video which was recorded for propaganda purposes puts their propaganda to another audience. one they want to see to take the remaing support for the war effort away. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:40pm
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You sound like Socrates: "the youth today..." I swear, there must be a virus you get at some specified age, that suddenly makes you think that your generation was cool, and everybody younger than you is no good. People have been saying this exact thing for thousands of years. In fact, I know for a fact that many parents of "the greatest generation" said the exact same thing. Go figure. As to what we would have done today - oil crisis of 1973 ring a bell? |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:44pm
Ugg to many replys to type at once. Okay the BBC is well known as a leftist leaning network. Im not challenging the facts, but their leftist views. But lets get back to the topic on hand. That is CNNs decision to show he slaying of American troops. What amazes me about this debate is it falls on party lines. The Libs of this forum is all for the showing of our guys getting blown away. While the conservatives think its disrespectful, and at the very least a possible act of sedition. What is lost in the debate is these are our guys, many the same age as us. I'de love to link the video of Nick Berg to just remind you all of who were are fighting. I won't as its too graphic for this forum, but you get the idea. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:45pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:45pm
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Treason charges were not brought as a result of the McCarthy hearings.
Also not charged with treason. And I also like how you bring two of the most shameful episodes in US history as justification for yet another shameful act. gg. BTW - more on treason. Adam Gadahn was just charged with treason. This is the American that WAS FEATURED IN some of these Al-Qaeda videos AS A PARTICIPANT. And even so, most legal folks don't think those charges will stick, and actually think it was a mistake to charge him with treason. Johnny Walker Lindh ("American Taliban")? Not charged with treason. Ethel Rosenbaum? Not charged with treason. A bunch of other folks that did really bad stuff? Not charged with treason. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:47pm
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Translation: I don't have any backup.
How can you possibly know that? Have you checked the party affiliation of the posters in this thread? Please - your assumption-per-post ratio is sky-rocketing out of control.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:49pm
...Sigh...This thread really makes me sad for America. I am not saying that it is not a sad thing to watch, It is sad to see anyone die. I do not support the death of US soldiers, despite how much you would like to paint it that way. What would the ideal news service do, in your opinion? Not only just this situation, but if you ran a news org, how would you cover the war? -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:53pm
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Maybe because some of us are in favor of the news actually reporting.. Wait for it... The news?
What exactly is the news? Care to enlighten us? Have you heard of anything coming out of Iraq, besides the US death count?? How about the fact that we are defeating the enemy...anyone have an idea on their death count? How about all the good the US is doing over there?? Do you hear about any of that? No you don't. Any idea as to why? Again we are getting way off topic(and I'm to blame for that), maybe this is for another topic. What would the ideal news service do, in your opinion? Not only just this situation, but if you ran a news org, how would you cover the war? Actually this would be a good topic for another discussion. I'de would suggest you post it as such. As to what I believe. I'm not sure it can be done. However it would be nice to see a news outlet that reports just the facts. It wouldn't take sides, left or right(thats what the editorials are for)...and it wouldn't run enemy propaganda. |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:56pm
| ^^^^ Right, I would think the ideal news source would provide facts from both sides of the fence with not much analysis or speculation. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:58pm
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Sure - all the time.
Quick! Tell this to the many retired and not-so-retired senior brass that are telling Congress that we are NOT winning!
Sure I do. In fact, NPR - yes, NPR - does feel-good stories from Iraq and Afghanistan on a regular basis. So do other news outlets. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 11:59pm
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Another discussion indeed - because that is an entirely different and unrelated topic. A vaguely interesting question, but completely irrelevant to this discussion. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 12:07am
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I hear positive stories about our war efforts all the time. Yes, on CNN too. PBS, NPR, all the network stations. I read about it in the New York Times, and in USA Today. I read about the improvements of the country. I also hear about the bad things, including the body count. Know why? IT IS WHAT IS GOING ON. BAD THINGS ARE HAPPENING. Would you rather them NOT report on the bad things? Why is it that I can see the good stories all the time, but you cannot? -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 12:09am
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Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 12:18am
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 12:35am
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 12:40am
Actually both sides do that, politics is a dirty game, and is no longer very civil. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 1:04am
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 7:17am
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 8:39am
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My thing here is what about the families of the troops over there being exposed to a video of one of them being killed? They know what's going on over there, do they need to see it? Do they need to see a video shot by the enemy of their family and friends dying? So your argument here is going to be "So this will make them active in ending this conflict" fantastic, so in order to spur more leftist irritation for the current administration and policy, it is now acceptable to show people actual footage of their families being killed? This goes to show me that those of you on the left side of the fence will physically and emotionally torment your own people in order to win them over to your side. Is what CNN did illegal? Probably not. Propaganda? Absolutely, but I don't think it is for the insurgents, I think it's propaganda for the Left, prominently displayed right around election time, another "October Surprise" to discredit republicans and hopefully gain a few more governmental seats. Republican tricks to win votes: lowering fuel prices. Democratic tricks: Advertizing American troops being killed. Will you stop at nothing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not firmly entrenched in President Bush's Pocket, I'm not in total agreement with anything and everything he says, but to be perfectly honest, this release is not news, everyone KNOWS people are being killed there. This is a different spin on existing information to serve a purpose.
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 1:11pm
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 1:17pm
This is the only real argument I can understand. CNN did breech a few not-so-clear ethics lines, and I think they are on a very close line when it comes to airing faces of soldiers. My problem comes when people say that CNN is evil/treasonous/supporting the enemy/illegal/supporting the Democrats/hating the troops because of it. Their intention was to bring to light what was going on over there, where our troops are fighting, not to undermine them or be an agenda. That being said, I understand that part of the argument, and I question if it was unnecessary to show the film, but I also respect CNN's ability to show it, as some people, if not most people, are interested in it. -------------
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Posted By: MilSimBaller
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 3:32pm
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Advertising for Insurgents? What exactly is the video advertising? Whether we play that footage or not, there still going to fire on our troops. We're not helping them at all by putting it out there. It's not helping nor hurting the insurgents. What it's doing is putting propaganda out there that Bush is evil, that we have no business being over there and what not. That and why do the people here in the U.S that know people overseas need to see that? |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 10:24pm
| United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 10:25pm
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Still would never be brought on charges -------------
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 10:29pm
Of which CNN did nothing of the sorts. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 10:39pm
giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, Now wheres that Anderson geek 
Does airing the enemy's propaganda video give aid or comfort to the enemy? I believe it does aid the enemy by effecting public opinion here on the home front. As IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. The US can only lose this war if the sheep here give up. So yeah I would say it aids the enemy. However I think this subject has been beaten to death. Will the goverment have the guts to try anyone. Ha yeah right. I doubt theres anything left to say. So now Im off to hunt down my new saiga...be back latter. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 10:51pm
That is just incorrect. It is downright silly to think that playing it was giving aid and comfort to the enemy, never-the-less they did it on purpose. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 10:59pm
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Another good reason why we have laws and stuff. Believe all you want, that doesn't make it so. I refer back to my earlier post (which was apparently ignored) - only 30-odd people have been charged with treason in the US - EVER. Since 1789. Most of those were not convicted. American Taliban - not charged with treason. Americans spying for the Soviets in the 50s/60s - not charged with treason. A guy was just charged with treason for appearing in Al-Qaeda videos as an active participant - and most people in the know don't think the charges will stick. To "believe" that CNN's actions amount to treason is based on some imaginary fancy of what treason means, not the actual law. It is complete and utter fantasy, and has about as much credibility as the Easter Bunny. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:00pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:02pm
| So who is it who ultimately gets to define what exactly is "aiding the enemy" and what is just "reporting the news"? |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:05pm
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The courts. That's what judges are for. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:09pm
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Stop dodging the issues here clark, what the heck are you saying about the easter bunny? -------------
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:10pm
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I'm saying I had Easter Bunny for dinner earlier this year, and he ain't coming back. Sorry. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:11pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:12pm
How could you eat this.  -------------
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 24 October 2006 at 11:16pm
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