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Topic: What MOS
Posted By: Linus
Subject: What MOS
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 7:52pm
So.. I just enlisted with the US Marines.
Now.. time to decide what MOS I want.
I scored an 88 on the ASVAB, which opens every enlisted job I want, but now I have no clue.
The main ones I was thinking of were 0300 (Infantry) 5811(MP) or 7314(UAV Pilot), UZ(Recon Man[Which my recruiter is pushing me towards]), but I have no clue what to do.
My recruiter also says I should do something technical since I scored very high on that, but it doesnt interest me much. What I'm looking for is something fun that I will like doing for the next year atleast, and most likely in the Combat Arms area, IE no cook.
I know its my final decision, but I also know we have a few Marines on here and Army, which shares the same MOS's.
I ship out between Jan and April... depending on my sisters wedding.
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 7:55pm
infantry... it's the most fun!
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 7:56pm
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Go infantry. I hear you spend most of your time riding roller coasters and eating cotton candy.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 7:58pm
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Congrats.
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Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 7:58pm
you should go for combat engineer. get to build, destroy, repair, and blow up things. also it will help you once you get out of the corp
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 7:59pm
Best of luck and thanks for serving.
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:00pm
If you're not going with something technical, definitely go with something that allows you to blow things up.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:06pm
Thats why I like Infantry, MP, and UZ... all will help when I leave to become a cop.
UAV just look cool but no combat experience and no real world application.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:08pm
If could join up, I would be infantry of some kind. I like the idea of being a sniper, but it doesn't matter. If I'm going into the military, I'm going to be a soldier, not an engineer or a driver or waterboy or whatever. And I swear, if I could, I really think I would. The only things that would make me think twice is the fact that I don't believe in the Iraq mess we're in right now and the fact that it would be hard to leave my girl. Easy enough to say since I can't go in I guess, but still....
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:11pm
Hella Cool wrote:
Go infantry. I hear you spend most of your time riding roller coasters and eating cotton candy.
| no. we actualy spend a lot of time shooting and going to the field
I'm 0311 its great. I know someone who just joined to be an armorer. (fixes the weapons). i know mechanics and the sort. i dont know any combat engineers. if you are doing reserves dont do mp. you'll hate it. you'll like guard a gate on your one weekend. otherwise. mp is supposed to be cool on the active side. i know someone who loves it. he's got the K-9 and all that. find out if you can lock on scout sniper. those guys are more nuts than Recon in my opinion.
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Posted By: TheSpookyKids87
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:16pm
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:17pm
INFANTRY- Any other MOS is like joining the football team to be the waterboy.
Seriously any combat arms means faster promotion, get your E-5 and then decide on a secondary career on re-enlistment.
Prefessional dirt mover, and intentionaly finding mines and other things that go boom, does not have retirement labeled on it.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:19pm
Heh, OS and I used the same analogy...
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:37pm
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0000-self propelled sandbag
UAV pilot sounds cool, but check it out further. I'm not sure they'll let you fly something expensive if you're only an E-1 or E-2, it could be a recruiter bait and switch. What does recon man entail?
0300 stuff may suck to some extent, but at least you know what you're getting into. What's your ship date?
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:44pm
0300 (Infantry) - Standard, probably good choice, but more in harms way
5811(MP) - If you feel like being a **edited**
7314(UAV Pilot) - Hey! One of the big UAV companies is here in HR...
UZ(Recon Man) - I have no idea
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:44pm
l33t snip3r.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 8:52pm
i have a question to any of the military guys. I was thinking on joing up with the airforce or the army after im out of school, im leaning to the airforce either as a mechanic or maybe a pilot that is if they would take me as one, anyway somneone told me that the army covers most helicopters and thats what id like to get involved in(hints the sig), now does the army or the airfocre cover most helicopters?
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:10pm
All the branches have helicopters, pilots for them, and mechanics for them. they all use them extensively. what kind of helo would you want to fly is the question? no guarantee you'll get what you want. but you can find out which services use certain helos then decide on a service.
also Linus, you could do EOD. them guys gots balls. youve got to be nuts to disarm a bomb.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:14pm
Kristofer wrote:
All the branches have helicopters, pilots for them, and mechanics for them. they all use them extensively. what kind of helo would you want to fly is the question? no guarantee you'll get what you want. but you can find out which services use certain helos then decide on a service.
also Linus, you could do EOD. them guys gots balls. youve got to be nuts to disarm a bomb. | Im more interested in attack helicopters like the AH-64 or something similar.
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Posted By: G|zmo
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:20pm
Cedric wrote:
Best of luck and thanks for serving.
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As he said! good for you man
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:23pm
rednekk98 wrote:
0000-self propelled sandbag | Always a viable choice... especially near then end of your career.
UAV pilot sounds cool, but check it out further. I'm not sure they'll let you fly something expensive if you're only an E-1 or E-2, it could be a recruiter bait and switch. | True, but I don't see any rank requirements [url=http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marineenjobs/bl7314.htm]on it[/quote] while other MOS's say "Cpl and above" or "GnySgt to PVT". But of course I'll look into it.
What does recon man entail? | Its exactly as it says, you're a Recon Marine that gets sent on secret missions to collect intel. Its not Force Recon though. It's probably comparable to the Rangers and Green Berets. Sure, both are spec ops, but one is much much more spec-opish.
What's your ship date? | Anytime after 20061222. My sis gets married on 20070707, so of course I'd like to make it, but boot camp is 3 months with 10 days off and I dont want to start basic in April. Dont feel like waiting 6 months to ship because she wants to be married on the 7th day of the 7th months of the 7th year she's known her fiance..... Is that considered selfish? Wanting to skip a wedding to enlist in the military?
Kris--- all Marines are crazy.. atleast in terms to the other services, remember?
And the AH-64 is not Marines. The Marine attack helo is the AH-1 Cobra. If I was able to, I'd go for that, but not having perfect 20/20 eyesight DQ's me, even though all the test show I'd do fine.
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Posted By: GThomas
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:24pm
battlefreak wrote:
i have a question to any of the military guys. I was thinking on joing up with the airforce or the army after im out of school, im leaning to the airforce either as a mechanic or maybe a pilot that is if they would take me as one, anyway somneone told me that the army covers most helicopters and thats what id like to get involved in(hints the sig), now does the army or the airfocre cover most helicopters? |
If you want to fly helicopters then you got to go to college first. Only officers can fly, thats the way it is in all branches. If your looking to fly attack helicopters then join the Army. The Army flies the AH-64's like the one in your sig, where as the Marines fly the older Cobras. The Army has the best pilots and best equipment. I'm currently in Army ROTC and Aviation is my first choice in branch assignment. If you have any questions about ROTC or the Army's aviation program then feel free to PM me.
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Posted By: GThomas
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:33pm
Linus wrote:
Its exactly as it says, you're a Recon Marine that gets sent on secret missions to collect intel. Its not Force Recon though. It's probably comparable to the Rangers and Green Berets. Sure, both are spec ops, but one is much much more spec-opish.
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Not quite like that. If your going recon, then after boot camp while in SOI you will get the option to go recon. So you would choose an infantry MOS, 0311 for example, and if you perform well in boot camp and perform well in SOI then you will be given the chance to go recon. Then you will be assigned to one of the the 3 recon battalions and train your face off. Recon Marines are just that, they do recon. They are a small force that gatherr intelligence, they are good but I wouldn't compare them to the Rangers or special forces, they have a slightly different purpose. You cannot go into boot camp with the recon MOS, you would just go in with an Infantry MOS and then change to recon once you have proven yourself worthy of that title. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:37pm
GThomas wrote:
Linus wrote:
Its exactly as it says, you're a Recon Marine that gets sent on secret missions to collect intel. Its not Force Recon though. It's probably comparable to the Rangers and Green Berets. Sure, both are spec ops, but one is much much more spec-opish.
| Not quite like that. If your going recon, then after boot camp while in SOI you will get the option to go recon. So you would choose an infantry MOS, 0311 for example, and if you perform well in boot camp and perform well in SOI then you will be given the chance to go recon. Then you will be assigned to one of the the 3 recon battalions and train your face off. Recon Marines are just that, they do recon. They are a small force that gatherr intelligence, they are good but I wouldn't compare them to the Rangers or special forces, they have a slightly different purpose. You cannot go into boot camp with the recon MOS, you would just go in with an Infantry MOS and then change to recon once you have proven yourself worthy of that title. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
Correcting you... I'm going off what Recruiters have said.
There is a diff between Marine Force Recon and Marine Recon.
Recon Man is 0321 ( http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/0321.htm - here ), meaning an MOS you can choose, while Force Recon is a group you can join. They can take their members from the Recon teams, but they dont have to be.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:37pm
GThomas wrote:
battlefreak wrote:
i have a question to any of the military guys. I was thinking on joing up with the airforce or the army after im out of school, im leaning to the airforce either as a mechanic or maybe a pilot that is if they would take me as one, anyway somneone told me that the army covers most helicopters and thats what id like to get involved in(hints the sig), now does the army or the airfocre cover most helicopters? | If you want to fly helicopters then you got to go to college first. Only officers can fly, thats the way it is in all branches. If your looking to fly attack helicopters then join the Army. The Army flies the AH-64's like the one in your sig, where as the Marines fly the older Cobras. The Army has the best pilots and best equipment. I'm currently in Army ROTC and Aviation is my first choice in branch assignment. If you have any questions about ROTC or the Army's aviation program then feel free to PM me. <!--
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just so you know. our "older cobras" are actually quite good. we dont need the apaches becuse the super cobras are bad ass.
also. Recon is more of an observing. Rangers and Green Berets do more combat oriented tasks. not that recon doesnt do that. but they observe and collect intel. its not like FAST or SEALs. thats something else you may want to look into. security forces to jump on FAST. (as a joke we call it "Fake Ass Seal Team"). they are like SEALs, SWAT ect. pretty cool trash.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:39pm
Exactly Kris.
Recon teams collect intel, and (usually) only fire when fired upon.
Force Recon uses, surprise, force, when they recon, meaning they attack without provocation (SEAL-esque) (READ: According to recruiters)
From what I understand, MFR does classified engagements that never make it to news. For all we know, an MFR team can be in N Korea right now. On the other hand, Recon is at a known combat zone.
I was using the Rangers and Green Berets comparison for a reason. While the Rangers are considered special ops, they arent considered on the same level as Green Berets, Seals, MFR, Delta.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:44pm
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I'd avoid recon man since it just screams that there are training requirments that will boot you to normal grunt when you don't shoot expert on weapons qual or something. If that's not a problem go for it.
If you're shipping in December, what kind of shape are you in right now? Nothing wrong with shipping in April, warmer weather and still not a ton of fresh HS grads.
Going in July is going to get you stuck in a huge platoon full of retards. You'll probably get slightly less "individual attention" but garunteed your whole platoon will get it more often. Also, you'll still be on the island in hurricaine season. Missing important/fun training due to weather sucks and makes the whole experiance suck more. Summer is not the time for Parris Island.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:51pm
I'm shipping to MCRD-SD.
I wanted to do it early because of those reasons you listed- better weather and less fresh people my age.
Plus I dont want to work a 9-5 boring job for 4 months until I ship... why waste time when you can just ship?
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Posted By: GThomas
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:54pm
I know there is a difference between recon and force recon, and I have never heard of someone getting the recon MOS going into boot camp. Take what your recruiter tells you with a grain of salt, he won't lie to you but he will embelish on the posatives and leave out the negatives. The first time I talked to my recruiter I asked him what are the 5 worst aspects of being in the military and he said that in his 3 years of being a recruiter no one had ever asked him that question. Do a lot of research before you deside on your MOS. I know so many kids who rushed into that desicion way to fast.
I know the Cobra is great helicopter but it is inferior to the apache. It is an older vietnam era platform that has been upgraded with todays technology. The apache out performs the cobra. There is nothing wrong with the cobra platform, its one of the best attack helicopters in the world. But nothing competes with the new apache longbows.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:59pm
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Linus wrote:
I scored an 88 on the ASVAB, which opens every enlisted job I want, but now I have no clue.
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I scored a 97, which made me just smart enough to get out.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:06pm
Cedric wrote:
Best of luck and thanks for serving.
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The best answer i read to a post like this in a really long time.
And for your question, Why are you asking on a message board? I was a 0311/0331 rifleman then ended up as a machinegunner. Your MOS should be something that you really feel is where see yoruself in a few years. Remember we are at war now so some MOS like Motor T and Combat Engineers have quadrupled in the hazard scale.
Do you have a Family? Wife? Kids? This is a question best answered not by some Staff Sargent nor a Machine Gunner like myself but yourself.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:13pm
Linus wrote:
What does recon man entail? | Its exactly as it says, you're a Recon Marine that gets sent on secret missions to collect intel. Its not Force Recon though. It's probably comparable to the Rangers and Green Berets. Sure, both are spec ops, but one is much much more spec-opish.
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Recon Marines in the Battalion size are more an Eyes Forward than the guys in the Rebreathers HALOing off a C-130. Remember unlike Army Units Marine BLT's (Battalion Landing Teams) are a Combines Arms units with everything Integrated. The recon Marines arent like other Special units kept away from the regular troops. They work together with the Arty, Close Air Support and other Higher Elements of the Battalion.
Not that this makes them any less "special ops" than any other unit. It's that they are in my opinion better employed. Where they use their skills to better support the Fleet Marine Forces.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:17pm
Linus wrote:
GThomas wrote:
Linus wrote:
Its exactly as it says, you're a Recon Marine that gets sent on secret missions to collect intel. Its not Force Recon though. It's probably comparable to the Rangers and Green Berets. Sure, both are spec ops, but one is much much more spec-opish.
| Not quite like that. If your going recon, then after boot camp while in SOI you will get the option to go recon. So you would choose an infantry MOS, 0311 for example, and if you perform well in boot camp and perform well in SOI then you will be given the chance to go recon. Then you will be assigned to one of the the 3 recon battalions and train your face off. Recon Marines are just that, they do recon. They are a small force that gatherr intelligence, they are good but I wouldn't compare them to the Rangers or special forces, they have a slightly different purpose. You cannot go into boot camp with the recon MOS, you would just go in with an Infantry MOS and then change to recon once you have proven yourself worthy of that title. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
Correcting you... I'm going off what Recruiters have said.
There is a diff between Marine Force Recon and Marine Recon.
Recon Man is 0321 ( http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/0321.htm - here ), meaning an MOS you can choose, while Force Recon is a group you can join. They can take their members from the Recon teams, but they dont have to be. |
Recon Marines have always been Marines from 'Combat Arms' When I was assigned to the Fleet. When i arrived from Camp Geiger to Camp LeJuene recieving a group of Sargents from 2nd Recon Battalion came over and asked who wanted to take the Recon Indoc, wich at the Time Consisted of a 10 Mile Boots & utes run with a 30lb sand bag in a ruck sack. A swim qual and a Intreview and psycological screening.
Unless the Corps changed that after 2001.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:21pm
Evil Elvis wrote:
And for your question, Why are you asking on a message board? | Because I knew we had some Marines on here, and its better to ask someone who doesnt have a vested interest in what I do, but still has experience on the matter.
I was a 0311/0331 rifleman then ended up as a machinegunner. Your MOS should be something that you really feel is where see yoruself in a few years. | Which is why I narrowed it to those 4 at first.
Remember we are at war now so some MOS like Motor T and Combat Engineers have quadrupled in the hazard scale. | I HAVE chosen, however, that besides the UAV pilot, it will have to be an active combat role, not supportive.
Do you have a Family? Wife? Kids? This is a question best answered not by some Staff Sargent nor a Machine Gunner like myself but yourself. | Family: Parents that suppoer, siblings that dont.
Wife: HA... kinda hard to in the 4 months I've been in Texas.
Kids: Same as above.
True. Did you like being a machine gunner though? Like being a ground pounder?
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Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:22pm
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NO - dont do infantry
Yes - to MP
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:30pm
My time in the Corps? As a grunt back then it was diferent than now. I served under President Slick Willy Clinton and we used to get some funky ROE's. Somedays I hated it ... some days I loved it. Now in retrospect I'd do it all over again, games, BS and all in a heartbeat. Something about the grunts that its hard to put into words. It's like a Frat House with Guns yet being held to the Morals standards of nuns. (minus that whole Killing, Burning and raising hell part)
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:42pm
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Hella Cool wrote:
Go infantry. I hear you spend most of your time riding roller coasters and eating cotton candy. |
Classic reference. Well done.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:48pm
AWP whore.
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Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:03am
GThomas wrote:
If you want to fly helicopters then you got to go to college first. Only officers can fly, thats the way it is in all branches. If your looking to fly attack helicopters then join the Army. The Army flies the AH-64's like the one in your sig, where as the Marines fly the older Cobras. The Army has the best pilots and best equipment. I'm currently in Army ROTC and Aviation is my first choice in branch assignment. If you have any questions about ROTC or the Army's aviation program then feel free to PM me. |
Not true. In the army you can fly helos as a warrant officer. All you have to do is meet the criteria for and get selected for WOCS (its not that hard to do). I would recommend talking to a recruiter about taking the AFAST (Alternate Flight Aptitude Selection Test), its a flight aptitude test that measures your knowledge of aviation concepts. If you score high enough you can ride straight into WOCS and flight school on this alone immediately after completing Basic Training. For most Army aviation MOSs, including Scout/Attack helo pilots, the basic vision standards are 20/50 uncorrected, 20/20 corrected. If you meet these standards and do well on the AFAST you can easily get into flight training.
As far as the best equipment goes... the airforce is much higher quality. But with USAF you'll only get to fly the bigger stuff like UH-60s and MH-60s, both are quite a ride but don't compare to the AH-64 or AH-1 IMO.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:15am
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Linus,
the thing to remember about the Marine Corps, is that you are not guaranteed a specific MOS. I signed up thinking I was a 1371 Combat Engineer, it turns out that you cannot sign up for a specific MOS. You sign up for a field, 1300 in my case. So I am now stuck as a 1345 Engineer Equipment Operator going to school at Ft. Lost in the woods learning how to drive bulldozers and junk like that...
Not really what I signed up for.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:20am
Snake6 wrote:
the thing to remember about the Marine Corps, is that you are not guaranteed a specific MOS.
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This stands to be repeated.
Too many youngsters think that the military is like school, where you can just pick the classes you like. The only time this is almost true is if you graduate at the top of your class from Annapolis/West Point. Even then the folks in charge ultimately decide what you will be doing.
Join the military, and your ass belongs to the military. If they suddenly realize that Operation Protect Whitey is overstaffed and they need more folks in Operation Human Shield, well then...
Few people sign up the military intending to be short-order cooks, but the army needs those guys too.
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:51am
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if i could join the military, i'd totally be a cook. how hard is it to cook a ginormous pot of crappy chili.
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:53am
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The MOS school for Marine Corps cooks is 15 minutes from my house...
Ft. Lee, VA
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:54am
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And besides, if terrorists tried to hijack your battleship, you could totally kick all their asses and kiss the stripper.
Cooks rule.
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:55am
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And you get one of those gi-huge-icle wooden spoons!
Those things are amazing.
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:08am
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i've always wanted to have to stir something with a canoe paddle.
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:10am
Wouldn't it be tempting to put some dry ice in whatever you were stirring, and go with the witch hat and cackle?
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:12am
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:19am
Actually. The only way in the Marine Corps. to pick your exact MOS is by joining the Reserves. The Downside, you need a reserve unit to offer that job near you. It was easy for me. I'm around an infantry battalion, so when I said I wanted 0311 Reserves, it was easy.
Otherwise, if you are active duty, you pick the general field, they put you where they want you depending on test scores and what not.
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Posted By: WGP guy2
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 8:09am
The UAV pilot would probably only be flying small recon planes like the http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/nov2005/a110405dg2.html - Dragon Eye. I
doubt they would let enlisted fly something larger. The big UAVs
(Predator) are USAF planes. Now, think about this, the Dragon Eye
and other smaller UAVs have a pretty short range, therefore, you will
be right in the middle of things, not in a secure little room. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/nov2005/a110405dg2.html -
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 11:47pm
Rambino wrote:
And besides, if terrorists tried to hijack your battleship, |
Actually, that was another MOS I was looking at... UV (Marine Security Forces)
When someone take control of a naval ship or "specialy weapons" (read, no mention of just nukes) then the Security Forces are the ones sent to take it back, highly trained in CQB and all weapons platforms.
Plus there's the ever elusive signing bonus in the Corps.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 12:04am
WGP guy2 wrote:
The UAV pilot would probably only be flying small recon planes like the http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/nov2005/a110405dg2.html - Dragon Eye. I
doubt they would let enlisted fly something larger. The big UAVs
(Predator) are USAF planes. Now, think about this, the Dragon Eye
and other smaller UAVs have a pretty short range, therefore, you will
be right in the middle of things, not in a secure little room. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/nov2005/a110405dg2.html -
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Yeah, I hear that a lot of the big expensive stuff like the Predator is being flown by "Private Contractors" too....
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 1:04am
Rambino wrote:
And besides, if terrorists tried to hijack your battleship, you could totally kick all their asses and kiss the stripper.
Cooks rule. |
Cooks rule, besides guys in Supply make sure that you have at least one of each other wise your time in TAD's will be suckumus maximus.
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 1:14am
Linux, Isn't your main goal in life to become a police officer? If so then going MP would be your best bet at advancing yourslef after you leave the service.
Rambino wrote:
And besides, if terrorists tried to hijack your battleship, you could totally kick all their asses and kiss the stripper.
Cooks rule. | Good reference
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 1:15am
Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 2:03am
Evil Elvis wrote:
Your recruiter is either a fiction writer or is really trying hard to make his quota. MSG or "Marine Security Guard" work mostly in Embassy and a few work in Nuclear Arms Storage areas. |
Sorry Evil, but I'm going by the Marine MOS handbook that my recruiter showed me. He copied me the pages of Recon (non-Force), MSG (Your embassy guards), and MSF (Security Force).
Page 18-2 wrote:
*The Marine Corps is the only military service that is entrusted with the responsibility of providing security for US Embassies and Consulates around the world.
*You will have the opportunity to serve at any of 132 Embassies and Consulates located in 119 different countries around the globe.
*You will have a great opportunity for travel, and you will work daily with foreign dignitaries and US government officials.
*There is extensive specialized training involved.
*You will receive special pay and allowances:
-Special Duty Allowance (SDA) Pay
-Cost of Living Allowance (COLA)
-Civilian clothing allowance
-Full dress blue uniform issue
*Marine Security Guard School:
-Located in Quantico, Virginia
-It's a six week course
-You will learn interior guard procedures, reactionary force training, extensive weapons familiarization, training on the handling and storage of classified material, and anti-terrorism training.
*All applicants for this program are screened through their commands and by the MSG School Screening Team |
Security Force
Page 18-6 wrote:
Because the Marine Corps' unique and thorough training, as well as their outstanding reputation, they have the responsibility of the guarding of naval vessels and special weapons.
There is a possibility of serving at one of five different continental US commands
You'll attend Marine Corps Security Training School.
-The school is located in Chesapeake, VA.
-It is a six week course.
-The course teaches interior guard procedures, reaction force training, counter-terrorism, anti-terrorism, and extensive weapons familiarization.
Your requirements:
-Have an Infantry MOS background.
-A guranteed postion from 12 months up to two years (UV contract)
-No moral waivers accepted.
-All applicants are screened through the Personal Reliability Program |
Also http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usmc/mcsfbn.htm - read
And Mbro, cant be MP because of 20/20 vision, or lack there of.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 2:09am
GThomas wrote:
I know there is a difference between recon and force recon, and I have never heard of someone getting the recon MOS going into boot camp. Take what your recruiter tells you with a grain of salt, he won't lie to you but he will embelish on the posatives and leave out the negatives. The first time I talked to my recruiter I asked him what are the 5 worst aspects of being in the military and he said that in his 3 years of being a recruiter no one had ever asked him that question. Do a lot of research before you deside on your MOS. I know so many kids who rushed into that desicion way to fast.
I know the Cobra is great helicopter but it is inferior to the apache. It is an older vietnam era platform that has been upgraded with todays technology. The apache out performs the cobra. There is nothing wrong with the cobra platform, its one of the best attack helicopters in the world. But nothing competes with the new apache longbows.
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So shecksy.
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 8:35am
And suck up to whoever you have to to go Airborne. I don't think Devil
Dogs can volunteer for it, someones got to pick you. When I was there
the only Marines I saw there were Recon and EOD. And nobody under the
rank or Corporal.
Its a friggin rush and a half man.
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HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 10:01am
Murdock, from what I understand, you CAN volunteer for it. A Sgt I know at the MEPS has his wings, and he was infantry.
USAF, didnt they cancel the Commanche?
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 10:55am
They did, Linus. Pity. Sexy bird.
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 11:01am
Funny, the Recon guys who were in my chalk said that Marines couldn't
volunteer for it. No idea though, just what I was told. Theyre
practicaly begging Army soldiers to go though, getting a $2000 bonus
for going Airborne on top of whatever they were already given for enlistment. Just be sure you get that stuff in writing.
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Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 12:47pm
brihard wrote:
They did, Linus. Pity. Sexy bird.
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I agree, also, the fact the we had already spent 6 billion dollars on it at the time and that it was almost done with it's testing was a little annoying.
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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 1:14pm
I have a cousin who retired from the Marines this past year.
He graduated from The Naval Academy in 1985 and was ranked 14th in his class.
He flew an MH53. He graduated 12th in his class in flight training and he DID NOT qualify to fly attack helicopters.
I found that a bit suprising. Only 3 people in his class qualified to fly attack helos for the Marines. Apparently the Marines are very selective of whom they let blast away with the fun birds.
My bro was a Marine Aviator and flew A-7 Corsairs. He graduated from the University of Maryland, somewhere in the middle of his class. Nowhere near as smart as my cousin but he got to fly a jet off a carrier.
I may never understand how the military makes these types of decisions.
Me? I had the most fun. Airborne/Ranger Medic.
If I had to do it over again....I would go Air Force/PJ
The chow is better in the Air Farce. And you might actually SEE a female once in a while.
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Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 1:50pm
Well that's cool that they have changed things. Since 2001 when i was done with my reserve obligation and I was fully discharged.
And Ken Majors is right, Air Force Chow is good thou the best Chow Halls I seen where in Naval Ground Instalations. I had a Steak at Rodman Naval Base in Panama City, Panama that to this day I'd hike from Ft Sherman to Rodman NB to taste again.
And a tip from a Salty Dog. When Deployed overseas where a US Base is. Forget about the Locals and go for the Neglected U.S. Service Women.
PS Happy BirthDay Marines, 231 years of Honor Courage and Comitment. Hooorah Blood Sucking War Machines!
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 3:48pm
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I was contracted for MSF, along with a few other people in my platoon. We were all told by our series commander that we had most likely been fed a line of crap by our recruiters and were infantry. Then again, my series commander was the biggest tool box I've ever met in my entire life. Full of hammers. Be extremely wary of recruiters, expect to end up lugging an M240G around in the desert if you are contracted for any 0300-MOS. A buddy of mine was contracted for intel, he's driving trucks down ambush alley every day since they only wanted experiance personell going into intel and needed more truck drivers. The majority of Marines are great people, but think of the recruiters as used car salsemen. Drill instructors hate them.
If you do get a UV contract for MSF, beware the "no moral waivers" thing. That means if you admit to having ever taken a bong hit in your entire life you aren't qualified. Also, try to avoid getting into fights or being stupid in recruit training.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 4:01pm
Yeah becareful of that waiver thing. Also, if its not in your contract, then its not going to happen to you. So if you are told something thats awesome, but you dont sign for it, you aint getting it. Marine also dont give money for joining like the Army does. The recruiters say, if you want to be a Marine we give you the chance. If you want money go for the Army. Being a Marine is worth more than any bonus. Stuff like that.
I still say go MSF if you can. and try and jump on FAST.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 9:02pm
(Going off what recruiter told me) FAST and Embassy Guards arent ones you can choose to join, your CO has to recommend you.
Marines still do give enlistmend bonuses, but they never exceed $10,000, unlike the Army which can choose to do $40,000. My recruiter game me a "cheat sheet" for all the things that can get a bonus. One is to choose to ship out in December, because it takes you from your family. UV is also on there.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 6:43am
Linus wrote:
(Going off what recruiter told me) FAST and Embassy Guards arent ones you can choose to join, your CO has to recommend you.
Marines still do give enlistmend bonuses, but they never exceed $10,000, unlike the Army which can choose to do $40,000. My recruiter game me a "cheat sheet" for all the things that can get a bonus. One is to choose to ship out in December, because it takes you from your family. UV is also on there. |
Weird. I do a lot of recruiting with the recruiters in my area. When I get people to join I get a referalls and promotion points so I can get moving up the ranks somewhat faster. They keep telling me you cant get money unless you reup.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 5:24pm
Well, we'll find out soon enough, wont we?
A prospective recruit failed the asvab with a 19, so my recruiter said if I help him pass it, he'll give me his referral. He also said after training, that he'll talk to my CO about letting me come back for a month to help them recruit some more.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 6:52pm
Ah do a little RA after you get to your unit. It doesnt always get approved but you never know. If youre unit is going to be getting ready for a deployment then fat chance on getting RA. otherwise you never know.
What did you decide for a MOS?
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 7:42pm
Chances are I'll go infantry, then after a while, put in for OCS.
I have up until the day I ship to decide though...
WHen does your unit deploy?
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 12 November 2006 at 3:19am
Spare yourself the hardship of choices and join the canadian army. We have a thing called"Mandatory Cross Training" up here.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 13 November 2006 at 8:43am
Thor wrote:
Spare yourself the hardship of choices and join the canadian army. We have a thing called"Mandatory Cross Training" up here. |
Most people join the miltary to protect the country they love.... so tell me, why would I fight for a country that is almost the oppisite of all political stances that the US is? Let alone one with Tim Hortans
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 13 November 2006 at 5:18pm
Linus wrote:
Murdock, from what I understand, you CAN volunteer for it.
A Sgt I know at the MEPS has his wings, and he was infantry.
USAF, didnt they cancel the Commanche? |
brihard wrote:
They did, Linus. Pity. Sexy bird.
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Who cares.... I'll just steal one of the prototypes and fly it around the desert.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 13 November 2006 at 5:29pm
usafpilot07 wrote:
Linus wrote:
Murdock, from what I understand, you CAN volunteer for it.
A Sgt I know at the MEPS has his wings, and he was infantry.
USAF, didnt they cancel the Commanche? |
brihard wrote:
They did, Linus. Pity. Sexy bird.
| Who cares.... I'll just steal one of the prototypes and fly it around the desert. |
Army was making the Commanche. You can tell by its name its Army. All of the Armys helos are named after Indian Tribes.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 4:03pm
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No matter what MOS you actually get, you'll come out a sniper, SF killer, airborne, etc.
Has anyone ever noticed that nobody claims to have been a supply clerk, personnel specialist, or mechanic. How does anything get done in the military without these people? Or is their work so highly classified, that they claim to be infantry spec ops after they get out?
Freaky
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 4:06pm
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^^^ lolz
I think that also explains why everybody that went to Las Vegas "basically broke even."
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 4:27pm
goodsmitty wrote:
No matter what MOS you actually get, you'll come out a sniper, SF killer, airborne, etc.
Has anyone ever noticed that nobody claims to have been a supply clerk, personnel specialist, or mechanic. How does anything get done in the military without these people? Or is their work so highly classified, that they claim to be infantry spec ops after they get out?
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LOL. Then there's just plain reserve infantry like me.
EDIT TO ADD: Now that I think about it, Thor has always been up front about being a communications guy.
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 9:47pm
Yup, Even though i hate this job and would rather be infantry, i'm a 215'er.
Sigs motto is"Someone's gotta do it...."
Remuster to armour coming soon.
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 9:50pm
Linus wrote:
Thor wrote:
Spare yourself the hardship of choices and join the canadian army. We have a thing called"Mandatory Cross Training" up here. |
Most people join the miltary to protect the country they love.... so tell me, why would I fight for a country that is almost the oppisite of all political stances that the US is? Let alone one with Tim Hortans  |
Sorry for the doulbe post but the answer is simple:Because Canada is a superior country, and is therefore MORE worth fighting for.
If your gonna help defend a chunk of north america, make the right choice and defend alaska.
And what, exactly, is wrong with Tim Hortons?
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 9:53pm
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Thor has a point. Alaska has the oil. We just need to liberate it from the eskimos and caribou.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 9:55pm
Hey Thor, you going Strats or Dragoons? Somehow I can't imagine you're going 12 RBC.
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-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.
Yup, he actually said that.
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 15 November 2006 at 10:07pm
Well as a quebecer, i could 12 RBC...but i want strats.
I saw the leo stompin around the camp and said"me too!"
Yeah......BOOM!
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