Republicans getting pwned
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Topic: Republicans getting pwned
Posted By: goodsmitty
Subject: Republicans getting pwned
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:52pm
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HAW-HAW ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:54pm
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not really they stil have the sentate and most all republicans have won in my state, so its fairly even. ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 9:59pm
| Prediction: Dems will pull a Bush and think they have a mandate and go too far left and piss people off, ignor the fact that most voters are voting more because they dislike the president than because they love the dems, or just plain aren't showing up. Dems will blow it in 2008 because they will not manage to get any results with a majority. Enjoy gloating. |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:00pm
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Senate is tied. Democrats winning the house by 21 ATM. ------------- 
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:01pm
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IMPEACH! IMPEACH! HAHAHAHA ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
rednekk98 wrote:Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:03pm
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Chimpy McFlightsuit looking at Congressional Oversight! Woe in Jesusland! |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:12pm
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As predicted, and remmember the pendulum swing may come back to hurt ya. Keep a good watch on your wallets, paychecks, and such.
I just want to know how your stance will be when you get your democratic regime in 08, so much for checks and balances as well as congressional oversight......works both ways there folks Have a nice night, I already conceded the house weeks ago, the senate was a maybe, but the dems will reep what they sow...... ------------- 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:13pm
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Your titles are fitting . . . Either way, I'm curious which way Hawaii will vote. So far the only point any of the dems here have made is they hate bush and will fight him, including the governor candidate . . . Way to go intelligence!  ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:17pm
| My GF's mother voted for a Dem. Gov "so he could vote against Bush, and because it's bad to have one party in control of everything" I'm all for having to take a test on the duties of the positions you're voting for. |
Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:21pm
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well kansans made a mistake re-electing HER for gov. ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:38pm
My favorite quote yet. ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:42pm
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You Ohio folks shouldn't be too excited, though. Granted you got rid of the crook DeWine, but you got an anti-free-trader instead. Not sure that's an improvement. But much more importantly - SANTORUM LOST!!! That's worth celebrating all by itself. I don't like santorum in my bedroom, and I don't want Santorum there either. Good riddance. |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:43pm
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United we stand, divided we fall. Cut the political party bull.. and grow up America. ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:42pm
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Is McCaskill winning in MO?
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:47pm
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Agh! The wrinkle-meister mccaskill? Uhh, the race is pretty much dead-locked and has been since day one of campaining. It's alright, Talent isn't much better. no one really is, for that matter, and even if they are, they are never heard from. As savage says "no reasonably intelligent person would ever get involved in the zoo that is american politics" ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:48pm
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It's looking good so far.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:52pm
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House is now officially Democratic. Senate still way too close to call.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:56pm
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As long as forward progress is made, I could care less which party holds the majority.
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:56pm
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:58pm
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America... Won't happen, at least not anymore if things don't shape up REAL quick, before we are landed into another full scale war (judging by current world events) ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:29am
Hey, that gets my vote right there. Dont get me wrong, theyre all professional scumsuckers, but at the moment the democrats will really have to screw up epic to do any worse. ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:38am
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I agree - sometimes that's enough. While it helps to have something positive to add (see Kerry 2004), sometimes just being not the other guy is enough. My Congressman is Jim Sensenbrenner. I can't stand the guy. The guy running against him this time and last is Bryan Kennedy, a local schmoe. In 2004 Kennedy was so incompetent that I couldn't make myself choose him over Sensenbrenner, no matter how much I disliked him. This year Kennedy has gained just enough experience to be palatable, which makes me prefer him over Sensenbrenner. But I am in no way actually supporting Kennedy - I just want Sensenbrenner out. I think that can be a perfectly rational perspective. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:05am
My point is the governor candidate from the dems is saying he'll fight the president. What can he do? Write a letter? But sadly Hawaii has always been liberals to the bone and are brainwashed that way. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 3:10am
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:12am
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Lets see how well that thought runs in 08..... -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:28am
| ha. Speaker Pelosi. If she represented more anti-military people now I wouldnt be suprised. otherwise. congrats to the Dems. i cant wait to watch you all screw up. |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 8:02am
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[yawn] I see on my check of the news that the dems blew out congress, and still have a chance for senate. Amazing that the American people could be so mind controlled by evil liberals. I am getting ready to submit my wishlist to the honorable Zach Space (D-OH). He's replacing Bob Ney (R-Prison). I think it will include: 1. Impeachment 2. Fire Rumsfeld 3. Halliburton pay huge fines for all of the work it paid for but didn't do. 4. A deadline to pull out of Iraq. I bet Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld are pissing their little USA boxers this morning! ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 8:05am
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Posted By: welcome guest
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 8:12am
Can someone tell me how Mark Foley can have so many supporters???/ ------------- http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. 
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 8:21am
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Lying us into Iraq, reserving 130,000 troops from Afghanistan so that they could guard oil interests in a country with nothing to do with 9/11, allowing Halliburton to cheat the taxpayer out of millions, allowing the oil companies to cheat the taxpayer out of millions (billions?), oh, and Iraq.
As long as he is gone the way that EVERY general retiring after being in Iraq has requested him to be. The Decider knows better than them, probably from his vast military experience.
I don't know, four years of pure profits for the oil companies at the taxpayer's expense and the soldier's blood is good enough for me. If Iraq wants a democracy, let them fight for it. I have to take my son to school now. I really value the 12 minute drive where I can indoctrinate him into the concepts of free speech, freedom from gov't oppression, and liberty for all, so I can't waste any more time here. I'm wacky that way. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 8:39am
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Congradulations to the party fo diversity. Who will show all the prejudice, vindictivness, and hatred towards those who disagree with thier ideology, that they accuse the opposition of doing.
We must all watch and learn, as the party in the majority limits or attempts to silence any view they see as not thier own. How they will again attempt to raise taxes, to find offense in any moral value not thier own, yep, I see a great disturbance in the force of politics........no wait....no change but the names. And also watch as those who dance with glee today, use a personal bias to stagnate our government for the next two years. As you read the Smitty's and thier now "popular" view, watch and understand who they are and thier intentions for the nation. And in 08 if they have all government in hand by holding congress and preidency, the same issues they found so offensive as of yesterday, will be lauded as the proper way government should be, since it is thier party and ideology in charge. Same idiots, differant nametags.............. A good bias with an agenda is a hard thing to loss, just ask Goodsmitty. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:17am
| So impeach Bush and get a Few years with President Cheney, or both of them and install Pelosi? |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:24am
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won't fly....They will wait till election of 08, the dems do not want to alienate thier own fencesitters, nor agrivate "Joe Critter Redneck", they have time. To go out and try to impeach without a clear and defined majority will not work.
They will behave till 08..rattle a few sabres of cause...and wait -------------
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:27am
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I can't wait to hear Hannity this afternoon, he's probably in the middle of an apoplexy as we speak.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:42am
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My bet is that by 08, the smitty's will be very dissapointed with progress, but blame Bush, who won't veto anything. The dems will unveil there new plan for Iraq and it will be the same as John Kerry's, exactly what we have been doing. It's just that they won't invade Iraq over WMD's in 2003 in the event space-time comes apart. They won't impeach, they'll fear it will blow up in their face They wont stop domestic spying, they'll save it for after 2008 so they can spy on right-wingers They will not make tax cuts permenant, and will blow the new revenues on porkbarrel projects. They will pass another assault weapons ban. They will create a timetable for Iraq, but every time it draws close and Iraq is still a mess, they will extend it. They will not do anything about illegal immigration. They want votes as much as the Republicans want dirt-cheap labor. They will mistake their victory for universal support for all of their agenda and not deliver on the issues that got them in. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:42am
HECK YEAH SHE WON! GO DEMS GO! ------------- 
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Posted By: Banshee11B
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:43am
Absolutely! We have wrapped ourselves so much in the flags of partisan politics that we've forgotten ourselves. "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." It is obvious that no one is completely satisfied with the current state of affairs. And no one ever will be. But we have developed such an US vs. THEM attitude that it is almost impossible for the government to run. The most vocal, here on this forum, on the floors of our legislative bodies, and talking within the purview of the public are almost exclusively confrontational and self-destructive. It's always rah rah partisan crap... FROM BOTH SIDES! In this past election everything you saw in advertising was what evils the other guy has done. Very few actually faced the issues and had an idea in their head about what to change. Wake up people. Take a good hard look at yourselves and decide what you stand for. Partisan politics? Do you ever look at the party you profess to be a member of and see YOUR shortcomings and talk about what you need to change for the better? Or are you wrapped up in what's wrong with "the other guys" that you are consistently and constantly picking the lesser of two evils? We, as a nation, stand at just the beginning of the 21st century. We are faced across the globe by challenges that will affect the world to come for centuries... We have enemies that don't care who they strike as long as it gets the most media. Women, children, all civilians aren't going to be "collateral" but the target because when civilians die that makes headlines. And when it does make headlines we don't blame the terrorists we blame those who didn't see it coming. One of the most liberal commentators in England stated that "The only mistake that we have made in the mideast is underestimating the tenacity and will of the enemy that faces us". Did that give his party a moment of pause and reflection? No he is now considered "persona non grata" by his party because he dared to agree with the conservatives on this one point. It's all or nothing with partisan politics. Which is a narrow field of vision for anything, exponentially so in the massive undertaking of politics in the modern world. Stop patting yourselves on the back for a change in government that will most likely spend most it's time fighting the only thing they have the intelligence and courage to go up against... themselves. ------------- -Chairborne Ranger- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other human invention in history... ...with the possible exception of handguns and tequila. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:48am
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^haha! You quote no work. -------------
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:54am
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Nothing is going to get done now... The house is Democrat and the Senate is to close... So Bush will veto a lot of stuff now, they will try to over rule him and they might get it passed the House but the Senate it probably won't... It just seems like nothing will change and nothing will get done... The Democrats will say get out of Iraq now and we can't do.
------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: Banshee11B
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:59am
You english no speak... 
Thanks... fixed it!  ------------- -Chairborne Ranger- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other human invention in history... ...with the possible exception of handguns and tequila. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 10:00am
| I don't see Bush vetoing anything unless it's a garuntee of g.ay marrige, free abortions or anything that goes directly after his religious views. Likewise a rider on any bill creating a national jesus day will get the whole bill through. Bush can't remember where he put the veto pen, I think he's gonna need rubber gloves, KY and a flashlight. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:17am
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The Smitty's once again show their tendancy of being "intellectually challenged." Hooray for the Democratic Party who had 95% of their candidates with absolutely no agenda at all except an open dislike of the President. Now the interesting thing will be whether they: A. Put all sorts of radical left-wing trash out in an attempt to be retarded B. Do absolutely nothing to rock the boat so they don't screw up royally for the 2008 election. Regardless of what they do... there goes the economy:
All 3 domestic markets. I am so glad I moved all my 401K stuff to stable formats on Monday. I also cashed out any small cap stock that was even or with a gain and bought a couple others that I know will go up soon as they announce earnings. Again... * Edited to change the font color on the Market Figures. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:26am
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lol to rednekk on the veto pen... But in all fairness, Rico, the reason that the markets are down is because they were bid up last week in anticipation of gridlock. The market loves gridlock. They are down because the Democrats gained too much power. If the Senate had stayed GOP but House gone Dem, the markets would still be up. Generally, the markets tend to prefer Democrats, but what the markets really like is gridlock. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:36am
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I completely understand that Clark... I'm not Alan Greenspan, but in recent history and in practical terms, while the general large cap market may prefer democratic tendancies, the reality is that the markets that "real" Americans invest in, lean way toward the Republicans. The up side is that since I like to trade on short-term Option Chains (naked equity puts, straddles and stangles, etc...) I should make out very nicely in the 3-5 month range. BTW, Caterpiller (CAT) and Valero (VLO) are great Option buys right now if you are able to trade on Margin naked.
------------- "Thats right, I play pump... your girlfriend borrowed my last set of batteries." "How many times a second are you going to miss me before I shoot you?" Dave Ellis Rocks!!! |
Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:36am
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"And in this corner, from The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia, fighting in the left wing division....Nanceyyyyyy Pelossssiiiiii!" I am disgusted! Speaker of the House. Another leftist Demokrat! |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:38am
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I liked Pelosi's quote, "Now we can work together as Democrats in a Bi-Partisan way."
------------- "Thats right, I play pump... your girlfriend borrowed my last set of batteries." "How many times a second are you going to miss me before I shoot you?" Dave Ellis Rocks!!! |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:40am
Look at the bright side Rico, the minimum wage law passed in Ohio. Now you get more money when you rake my leaves. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:46am
Which markets are these?
COED NAKED TRADING! W00T!! |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:50am
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Apparently you can win elections based on the other guys suks method, and have no actual agenda. I call for an IQ test to be able to vote (sarcasm don't get mad) ------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:54am
Sorry Kent, I shouldn't have used such a broad term. I really meant the lower end stocks (sub $50 per share). Most American investors stay away from the $100 - $150 - $2300 per share stocks. Oh and Smitty, unless they raised the minimum wage to over $75.00 an hour, you still can't afford me. But at least you got a raise. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:01pm
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I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happens in Iraq. If they don't do anything, then they're screwed in '08 by the war opposition camp, which is growing tremendously. Their anti-bush's war seems to be the only thing they had to stand on.... but they can't even agree on that. Hillary Clinton is losing Democratic support big time for her refusal to agree on setting a timetable, and she's reelected in NY. Look what they did to Lieberman, they canned him for not being liberal enough and supporting the war. And he got reelected as an independant over Lamont with 48% of the votes in Connecticut. Even though they've managed to grab a hold of power this election, they're starting to fracture. Its going to be interesting to see where they try to go with this one. The balls in their court....lets see what play they make.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:48pm
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That's not really true - most Americans invest in mutual funds, which own all kinds of stocks. But even if it were true - most stocks are in that price range, and most stocks that are reflected in indices are in that price range. Microsoft, GE, WalMart, Chase Manhattan... these (and others like them) are not expensive stocks, but they still define the market. |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:57pm
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Honestly the time table for Iraq is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. As soon as they give out the date, the insurgence will sit back wait for that day to come and then unleash everything they have on the weak government that we tried to setup and they will take over control again and we will have another Suddam in there. And all those American lives would have been for nothing
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 12:58pm
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Rumsfeld steps down. ------------- 
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:02pm
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yay welfare and higher taxes for all!!!
actually they haven’t called it in my state yet they say its to close and a bunch of machines were broken so they are doing a recount but it looks like Webb won by only 8000 votes. But at least the marriage amendment passed. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:03pm
| Yay fiscal responsibility! |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:20pm
Clark, you are nit-picking with me here. Mutual Funds, IRAs, and 401K programs were not what was alluded to in my previous statements. Based on the HUGE volume of trading that those programs perform on a daily basis, those types of programs tend to swing the over-all definition of the Market; however, the people who act as their own "broker," utilizing programs like E*Trade don't necessarily go after lower cost, large company stocks. This is based on the relatively low % of change on a short-term basis. They want change on a daily, weekly or monthly basis... not on a yearly or multi-yearly basis. The stocks you mentioned are basically "safe" stocks. Their 3 year baseline charts are basically flat with a $8.00 swing ($10.00 for Wally World). (BTW, Chase Manhattan isn't a stock.)
------------- "Thats right, I play pump... your girlfriend borrowed my last set of batteries." "How many times a second are you going to miss me before I shoot you?" Dave Ellis Rocks!!! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:38pm
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Not really nitpicking. Points I was trying to make: - Stock price is not particularly related to whether a company is large or small, or in an index or not. - Stock price is irrelevant to mutual funds, and since mutual funds make up a significant majority of the money invested by individuals (heck, there are more funds than there are stocks), that further renders stock price irrelevant. - Virtually every stock in the market is available to virtually every investor (Berkshire A being the big exception). There isn't a special "rich guy" market. Small investors and big investors buy the same stocks. And to add to that: - Stock price generally says very little about a company. What matters more is market capitalization. - If you are saying that small investors favor small-cap stocks (not really true), then that is still irrelevant to the market's reaction to politics. - Domestic small-cap stocks are more volatile than large-caps, but they are not counter-cyclical. When the Dow is up, so are most of the small-cap indices as well. I would have to check, but would wager that the Russell index has reacted almost the same as the Dow/NASDAQ to recent political changes. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:51pm
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Clark... you're spewing alot of nothing. I'm in the market actively. I see the trends, I ride the waves. I'm not saying that I am 100% correct on every move that I make, but my record is pretty darn good. A typical *individual* investor has <$100K in his portfolio. Based on that and based on the old adage of "don't put all your eggs in one basket," those investors are not buying "expensive" stocks with the bulk of their money due to the fact that they can't afford to buy 1000 shares. (However, savvy investors can pull off utilizing "Expensive" stocks with Option trades having the potential of greater gain without paying full price... I won't expand on that. Probably 99% of the people here have no clue about trading on margin or options.) However, with all that said and with the respect that I have for you Clark... you made some valid assessments and I agree with those. However, my real life experience dictates an opposition to some of your other comments. On another note, it is nice to be able to debate a more tangible subject rather than a subjective viewpoint (evolution, religion, politics). |
Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 1:59pm
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:05pm
Am I good, or what? It only took me about 4 hours from posting to make this one happen. Since my wish machine seems to be working considerably well today, I am now wishing for Rico to find his $75/hr lawn raking dream job. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:11pm
AGREED! |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:13pm
Youre not good at all actually. He resigned. Wasnt fired. Also, it could have been because he lost more support from the military after all the military times' had the resignation demand. plus the retired generals. personally. he should have stayed. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:14pm
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Um.... ok? Wow, me too. I'm tired with wearing professional attire and would love the opportunity to keep my current earnings while getting outside in the air. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:15pm
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I think maybe we are defining "investor" differently. You are (I think) talking about individuals who buy mostly individual stocks and trade actively. Part of the point I am making is that those people account for a tiny amount of the money in the market, and a tiny portion of the larger category of "individuals who have money in the market", which are the "investors" I am talking about. Most people with a job have a 401k or similar pension fund. Pension funds are overwhelmingly managed, usually with multiple layers of management. This is the biggest bulk of individual money in the market, and as a result most "people" have more or less the same type of stake in the market as banks and insurance companies. Small-cap stocks are not limited to small investors, either - there are hundreds of funds that invest only in small-caps. Heck, there are penny-stock funds. And not just funds - corporate investors invest billions in small-caps. And, of course, many small investors, like myself, invest mostly in large-cap companies on a purely buy-and-hold basis. It's been a long time since I did any day-trading. I'll repeat myself: There is no separate market for "the little guy". In fact, "the little guy" invests pretty in exactly the same stocks as the big guy. Heck, a popular retirement investment vehicle is an index fund. What's good for the goose really IS good for the gander. And as to small-caps - I just charted a couple of the Russell small-cap indices against the Dow, the NASDAQ and the S&P 500. Guess what - they macrotrended almost exactly the same. The biggest diversion was NASDAQ during the dot-com bubble. One may outperform the other during any given period of time, but when the economy is good big and small both go up - and v.v. Maybe I am missing your point here, though... |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:25pm
| Stocks and Politics all in one thread...its like 4 pages of confusion. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:30pm
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Heh, I actually understand the stock stuff. Comes with having a stock broker as a mother. Anywho. I question if the Democrats will really have enough movement to do anything with congress, or if this is just a precursor to a change in presidency regime. We shall see. This will have a big effect on the war in Iraq. I think we will see more troops taken from Iraq and moved into Afghanistan. -------------
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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:38pm
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You actually have re-iterated my point. Most of the money involved is tied up in low-growth opportunities in mass amounts. Then there is the rest of the market... not day traders, day traders are a different breed altogether... you live and die 8 hours at a time, they are little more than professional gamblers. I'm talking about people who don't use their accounts for a savings program (BTW, I do have a seperate account for exactly that as EVERYONE should... you young guys need to get involved now! Social Security is waning fast!!! If a company you work for offers a stock purchase program, get involved... even if it is a couple bucks a week. Take control of your own future now!). These people are active in the market on a continuing short-term basis. These are the individuals I reference. Entities like TDWaterhouse or T.Rowe Price represent hundreds of thousands... but I count them as 1 individual investor with a vast portfolio. As a client of one of the huge broker houses... an individual as an "investor" is more of a silent partner. Not involved with the day to day running of the business. They have their place.... I'm not thrilled with their flexibility though. Sometimes there are options that you need changed in a hurry and those types of long-term programs take time to get changes. I can vouch for that lack of responsiveness after taking a huge loss on 9/11. TDK, despite all of our differences, I actually gained some respect for you there. With your analytical (however off-base |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:40pm
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You mean we were in agreement all along? Darn. ;) |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:48pm
I know a lot about it, once again, because of my mother. I have more diversity and control over my assets than most 18 year olds do, I think it is clear to say. (How many other 18 year olds do you know that know exactly how much they have split between stocks, mutuals, money markets, SPDR's, etc.,?) I know a lot about finances and the stock trade, but honestly it bores the living hell out of me. I would not want to do that kind of stuff forever. -------------
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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 2:51pm
Lets not get crazy. ------------- "Thats right, I play pump... your girlfriend borrowed my last set of batteries." "How many times a second are you going to miss me before I shoot you?" Dave Ellis Rocks!!! |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 4:23pm
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So he cut and run? He was fired. |
Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 4:27pm
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lets see what michaels savage will say! ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 5:28pm
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Rico, The fact that you believe that: 1. Rumsfeld retired willingly and wasn't given the "option", and 2. The stock market fell solely because the democrats won, considering that it falls when anytime a CEO gets a bad flu bug, tells me that you: 1. Only make $75/hr when your grandma pays you to paint her garage and you get done quickly, 2. Wear dress clothes doing it, and 3. Just got done reading some pamphlets on economics. Rumsfeld was fired, deal with it. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 5:31pm
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Get to it Goodsmitty, the party of Diversity and understanding. Name calling is a good thing, actually shows a higher level of.............
Is this a pattern of things to come from those like yourself? We could actually back our statements in fact, you are a journalist aren't you. I do not believe he was fired in the sense you see it, I believe he was offered options and seeing the greater good opted to step down. He is not a young man, and to keep fighting at home and abroad did not have retire on it, more like a heart attack and state funeral. Comman sense at his age, and for the greater good. -------------
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Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 5:51pm
Um... yo, reading challenged person... I never said anything about Rumsfeld. kristofer did. As a matter of fact, I believe in the thread dedicated to that subject I stated that he was a Sacrificial Lamb and that I was shocked that it wasn't done on Monday before the elections. Further, the stock market 100% absolutely fell in direct reaction to the elections. If you don't believe that then you have absolutely no clue about market trends. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 6:02pm
But now we are stuck with Bob Casey Jr, who is a total tool. |
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 6:05pm
Sorry, I just lump all you guys together. One voice, one message, many faces. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 6:16pm
Agreed - Casey is no prize. But Santorum was/is an embarassment to all. |
Posted By: Rico's Revenge
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 6:24pm
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Silly Lesbian... there is no Santorum Claus! ------------- "Thats right, I play pump... your girlfriend borrowed my last set of batteries." "How many times a second are you going to miss me before I shoot you?" Dave Ellis Rocks!!! |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:04pm
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I bet when the Demo-whoso-whutsa-crats take power, youll all just poke
and bicker about them just like you did the Republa-whutsa-crat-a-kins
and think of yourselves like youre important or somthing or you actualy
know somthing about poli-wanna-cracker-a-tics. Friggin pathetic. ------------- PFC Murdock 307th FSC 1st BDE 82nd Airborne Division HOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH!!!!! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:11pm
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Absolutely true. Except for the "friggin pathetic" part. Poking and bickering about the people in charge is the American way. That's what makes this place great - only sheep don't criticize their leaders. |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:16pm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228159,00.html - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228159,00.html
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:45pm
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Hoo-ray for the democrats. Now if Obama runs in 08 and wins...
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 7:47pm
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Clark for president.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 6:47am
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November 9th. Two days after the democrats returned to power and I haven't been gassed, bombed, or beheaded by terrorists yet. Yet................. ------------- "Reading this thread, I'm sad to say that the only difference between the average American and the average Taliban is economic status." -Zesty |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 7:21am
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No, the terrorists are too busy laughing at how the dems are going to go on thier own personal payback witch hunts. As the leftists start the feeding frenzie. They can wait for the Dems to totally defang the military.
Glad you are happy, but I want to see the same zeal if and when the Dems get thier one party in power government, is that not wrong by your belief, as stated several times by leading democrats on a pure republican administration. Or once again selective memory kicks in and a purely democrat government be seen as a true sign......... -------------
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