New Gun
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Forum Name: Which Gun is Best
Forum Description: Need Advice? Ask the pros.
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Topic: New Gun
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Subject: New Gun
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:26am
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Well i want a new gun. i am thinking of getting into speedball. I want an electro gun that i can buy for 300-400 (not an ion) Preferably one that will also work with co2. What marker do you recomend? Do i have a chance of this? if not my plan is to buy a vs3 or maybe... maybe an ion. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:31am
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Mech 'cocker? Properly tuned, they can shoot quite fast. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:34am
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all the mech cockers i have seen, i have hated all the ones i saw had a weird like 1.5 trigger, i couldn't tell if it was a double or single. any link to a decent one? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:42am
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New or used? It sounds like you've been searchin' in all the wrong places. http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=07DDJB76txDDTFulPboDjBQudvB2-ComSBE=?ProductID=DV%2esFAY7%2ecsAAAD65v7inKHi# - Action Village USA I don't know what the Canadian Action Village has. I've got this 'cocker, and love it. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:43am
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i dont want to buy used unless i can get an amazing gun or something that cocker isin't bad...but i want lots of speed.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:44am
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Well then clicky on linky. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:52am
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i did... is that a fast gun? can you upgrade, make it electric?
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:03am
On second thought, you don't want a 'cocker. It's your best choice, but you need to know about them to use them. If you're still interested in learning, then search for some info. There's plenty of 'cocker topics on these forums. To answer your questions, aside from a tuned RT Mag, they are some of the fastest mechs. And yes, they can be electric. Heard of the E-Blade? Also, I'm kinda sad you asked about upgrades. Autocockers are some of the most upgradable paintball guns out there... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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carl_the_sniper wrote:Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:06am
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so does it need hpa? hm... im gona look into a cocker then. what's the trigger pull like on the mech one? how much is an eblade? where can i get one? what do you mean by i need to know about it? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:12am
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:28am
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Why are you preferring C02, carl? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:41am
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no money for hpa if i buy a gun i will switch eventually but for now... and if i were to spend 150-250 on an eblade would i not be better off just buying this: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=07DDJB76txDDTFulPboDjBQudvB2-ComSBE=?ProductID=yejAqArbzRMAAAEGhhHbl6iJ - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=07DDJB76tx DDTFulPboDjBQudvB2-ComSBE=?ProductID=yejAqArbzRMAAAEGhhHbl6i J # and i know you aren't gona like this question but... what do you mean by timed? maybe i can talk my parents into letting me sell my current gun.... there will be lots of fights but... probably
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:48am
| The whole point of buying a cheaper mech cocker is so you can use C02 with it, at least initially. Electrics, you cannot. So if you get the BM, you'll need HPA too. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:51am
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It's debatable. Black Magics are nice guns, but I've heard the E-Blades were better than WGP's SF frames. Plus, you can get a nice used e-cocker for ~$250 now. That's a cocker's main downfall, their resale value sucks, depending on how nice it is. E-Cockers (any cocker with an e-frame) usually has electronic timing. Timing is where you adjust the pneumatics to keep you gun in optimal firing condition. This needs to be done every so often, say after every other month. Mech cockers need to mechanically timed. When you figure it out, it's easy.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:59am
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ok cocker is #1 on my llist right now ill ask for money for christmas/birthday and maybe sell my pcs... doubt ill be allowed to though. ill get a cocker, hpa, halo and a freak if i sell my pcs. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:04am
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Sounds like a plan. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:07am
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will that be good or are there any upgrades you suggest internals wise, or otherwise? also this will probably the last paintball gun i ever buy, will i ever find myself needing more? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:09am
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The internals are fine for normal use. There is a bunch of hammer/spring/valve combinations out there, so when you get it, just figure out what you don't like about it, and change it. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:15am
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maybe you didn't see the edit but: also this will probably the last paintball gun i ever buy, will i ever find myself needing more? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:16am
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You shouldn't. With a cocker, you can go from pump to mech in just a few minutes. Or even pump to electro in maybe a few minutes more, so a cocker can suit any style of play. Also, they are really efficient and are pretty dang quiet. I have no idea why their resale is so low... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:23am
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for the most part in tourneys would i be outgunned? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:28am
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That really depends on what kind of tourney. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:29am
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Not if you have an E-Cocker. You'd do fine. But I wouldn't do too many tournies with a mech cocker. Unless it's a mechs only tourny, in which case, you'd probably be very well equipped. Or to be cool, a pump tourny. You'd do good there too. Now, Snipers (pump cockers) aren't as efficient as Phantoms, so you may be on the low end of the food chain in an all out stock-class game. Expect at most 20 shots out of a 12g. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:32am
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ok i am definately gona consider the black magic. any other markers i should look at? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 2:35am
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Hm. I just had a mental image of a pump BM. That would kill... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:19pm
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Well, you know what im gonna think. You can get a ok Emag(close to 300 if not much is on it) with older emag valve, then replace the valve with a classic valve with a r/t on/off and .720 pin and it will be fast and work with co2, but you will need a palmers to help with co2, but then you could sell the palmers and get hpa when you get more money. Or get a hyperframe put on a mag, but only classic valves are good with co2 But, youd need to buy this used ------------- 
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:35pm
Also, a Classic valve on an E-Mag would never work. The Classic recharge rate is only around 10 or 11 bps. That would be useless with E-Mag lowers. The least you use on an E-Mag would be an R/T valve, which should be able to produce around 15+ bps. The average is the E-Mag/X valve, which will have no problem keeping up with the 20+ bps lowers. The only valve that should be run on CO2 is the Classic. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 11:15pm
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nah ive decided to go with hpa gona sell all my warhammer (shut up), probably my pcs and add my christmas money. most likely gona buy a black magic, or if i can raise the funds, a karnivore. also wasen't there supposed to be a new marker coming out this christmas that could cycle at 100 bps, and was super light? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 11:27pm
| WGP has that ass-ugly WorrLord thing, if you still are thinking in the cocker realm. 100 cps is impossible because no tank could keep up with it, but I know the Legend is touted to be "OMG 100 CPS OMG." |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 11:34pm
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Hey, I've got Warhammer too. 40K? I'm always lookin' for some 'Nids. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 12:01am
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yeah 40k was way into it few years ago have thousands of dollars worth of it.
and hybrid i was thinking of another gun... still a prototype. i remember seeing a video of it. was supposed to be about 700 when it comes out. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 12:05am
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Aedes? |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 12:07am
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yes that's it what's the deal with it?
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 12:31am
| Some over hyped DeadlyWind gun that will probably have a run of about 200. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 12:35am
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not sure what you mean by run of 200. so you don't think it will live up to expectations? would a karnivore or even a black magic be better? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 12:41am
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Got any Tyranids? And I don't know much about the Aedes, but Hybrid means he thinks about 200 will be made. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 1:13am
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Well, I'm saying that they probably wont make an infinite number of them (guns) like Dye or WDP or whoever. |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 3:46pm
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Detrevni, you can find "old" non-upped emags for about $300, there arent many of them, because there arent many around. But, not so long ago i saw one for about that, didnt i send you the link in a pm? -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 3:47pm
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nope only my brother did tyranids ive got tons of everything else though
and allright on the aedes. what's the difference between a black magic and a karnivore? doe they each come with really fast stock triggers? where can i buy trigger upgrades? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 4:31pm
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Yeah, and that was the only E-Mag I've seen for $300. However, on http://www.automags.org - www.automags.org , someone just posted E-Mag lowers and body for $150. No pics though, so I haven't seen its condition. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:39pm
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^^Yah i saw that, it was tempting, made me wanna build one piece by piece, but im sure it would cost more than just normally buying one -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 9:32pm
| Good thing you are getting HPA, because the cocker's three way would definately leak if you used co2. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 10:17pm
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Hey detrevni do you have experience selling stufff on ebay? getting another gun, so far has not gone well with my parents. they will cave eventually. so till then i will be selling my warhammer to buy a halo and a hpa tank. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 10:57pm
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Nah, sorry. I only buy stuff. I try to avoid selling on eBay when I have the choice, it costs too much. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 11:39pm
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have you ever? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 11:47pm
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Nope. Sorry. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 12:28am
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ok ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 5:31pm
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You can sell stuff on pbnation pretty easily. -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 6:09pm
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yeah thanks for the advice- that is my first plan, then ebay if that fails is that my best chance at getting the most money? compared to ebay? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 23 November 2006 at 1:48pm
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Really if you sell on pbnation, youll be getting close to what you get on ebay sometimes.... people there arent as stupid as some people on Ebay. Just take good pictures, dont spell words wrong(i hate people who spell like 10 words wrong and cant even get the name of the gun right), and tell them what you want. But if its an electronic gun your selling, good luck. Theres so many out there, when you "up" a thread, its only up for like 5 minutes, then its to the next page for you -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:01pm
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yeah i have some experience of selling on the nation now (selling warhammer) um.... if i get a tank this christmas..... i need it to work on my pcs as well as my next gun (most likely karnivore) I mean this all in high pressure/low pressure. i read here that pmi is one of the best companies can someone pick a good hpa tank for me that will work with both: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=3woMPK_ljCoM0uqVNATMlKUsYPnUpi5U3N8=?CategoryName=paintball-gas-systems-nitrogen-systems-pmi-nitrogen-systems - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=3woMPK_ljCoM0uqVNATMlK UsYPnUpi5U3N8=?CategoryName=paintball-gas-systems-nitrogen-s ystems-pmi-nitrogen-systems ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:04pm
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i don't understand though because this tank is $170: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=3woMPK_ljCoM0uqVNATMlKUsYPnUpi5U3N8=?ProductID=RMvAqArbyukAAAEM3ys0DH4i - PMI Pure Energy Low Pressure Fixed N2 Tank - 88ci 4500psi and this one is $190: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=3woMPK_ljCoM0uqVNATMlKUsYPnUpi5U3N8=?ProductID=A5zAqArbHucAAAEFDT7BwitO - PMI Pure Energy Fixed Low Pressure N2 Tank - 45ci 4500psi wouldn't the first one be much better.... why is it less money then? and why is a company like empire soooo much more expensive? are they better tanks? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 12:12am
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Both of those are LP tanks, mang. You would need an HP one, because of your PCS. Here: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=3woMPK_ljCoM0uqVNATMlKUsYPnUpi5U3N8=?ProductID=OkusFAY76rwAAAD372OlA_2t - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=3woMPK_ljC oM0uqVNATMlKUsYPnUpi5U3N8=?ProductID=OkusFAY76rwAAAD372OlA_2 t And no, I'm not sure why the tanks are all different prices. Just make sure the tank you buy is a 5 year hydro. PMI tanks are not bad, and will work just fine. PEople pay more for lighter regs, and delusions of much better performance. I used my old PMI 68/4500 LP with my Fly a couple weeks ago (conquest needed a rebuild) and it worked great. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 12:41am
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so will low pressure not work at all with my pcs? what does a karnivore take?
and what's this where some tanks say they are co2 threading. will i have to buy a new asa for my pcs to run the pmi that says nothing about what threading it is? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 12:57am
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No. Either. Screw in HPA tanks are threaded the same as a C02 tank. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 1:14am
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Incorrect. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 1:14am
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so is there an adaptor to make a low tank work as high? what are the advantages/disadvantages of using high or low pressure on a gun like a karni? and this will work for both and is high pressure right? (it says 850 psi) http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=_VMCozQypKECN3FD5DfCCz77dUeqa7WD_oY=?ProductID=bvasFAY7Es4AAAD3DmSlA_2t - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=_VMCozQypK ECN3FD5DfCCz77dUeqa7WD_oY=?ProductID=bvasFAY7Es4AAAD3DmSlA_2 t ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 1:28am
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No... None really. In theory the LP output is more consistent because the difference berween input and output is closer to each other, but also in theory HP tanks are less prone to shootdown. Don't worry about it; just get HP. Yes. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 1:38am
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ok ill ask for that one thanks man fmi: what is shootdown? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 1:46am
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Man, I'm gonna lawl when you get your cocker and you start askin questions. Shootdown is when the air input cannot keep up with the gun, and your first shots in a string may be 300, but as the string goes on your FPS drops. If you wait a second or two and get back on it, you'll be at 300 again, but when you outrun the tanks ability to feed air, you will get shootdown. FSDO, or first shot dropoff, is related to dropoff but not related to the tank. Poor gun settings or dry bolt/dynamic o-rings (if applicable) can cause FSDO. FSDO is characterized by the first shot being a much lower velocity than the proceeding shots. Many newer boards (especially on spoolers) have ABS or anti bolt stick settings. These increase dwell time by x when the gun has been sitting for y seconds. This extra push helps overcome the stickiness of the first shot, but if not set properly it can result in the first shot being too high.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 2:22am
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sweet thx yeah anything i can read that can prepare me for this gun? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 2:26am
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Read the manual, don't mess with it unless it needs to be messed with. During said messing, do not make a mess of the messing. Messes are hard to fix unless you mess with it some more. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 12:25pm
cocker joke? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 1:54pm
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Depends on how you look at it. But yeah, read the manual and it should roll with a minimum of fuss. If you have any specific problem there's quite a few cocker guys here who could help you. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 2:18pm
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sweet thanks man... pretty much it for now
um.. depending on how much money i get for christmas, the karnivor could be up to a year away (though i stongly doubt it.) but for christmas, im almost definately getting a halo and a tank ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 4:13pm
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OOOH! I almost forgot! I always post these sites on threads that ask for 'cocker help. Use wisely and n joi. http://cockertech.com/index.php - 'Cocker Tech and http://www.accesswave.ca/~devon/timingmx/TIMINGMXv11.html - Hands on 'cocker timing game. Edit: So you did settle on the Karni? I'm jealous, one of my favorite guns. I've always loved those things. In that case, you shouldn't need the timing game, since all you need to worry about is backblock length and lug depth. N joi, man. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 3:01am
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pretty much on the karni plus i made $50 off ebay today. my bid rost from $20 to $50 in like an hour
it's really just the matter of my parents letting me get another gun can someone explain why action village is hundreds cheaper than everyone else? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 3:34am
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Because Action Village pwns face. Duh. Better get 'em while they are hot. They're E2 equipped, and since those are out of production, the Karnis are gonna last only as long as WGP still has the frames. I shudder at the thought of an SF Karni... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 3:36am
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so how long do you think i have? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 3:47am
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Couldn't tell ya. Probably a while. Look how long they are holding on to those 2k4 'cockers... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 3:55pm
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Yeah, Action village buys in bulk.... big bulk.... Anywho, if you wind up going 'cocker and not getting a karnivor or whatnot, MAKE SURE YOU GET A COCKER W/ AN EXTERNAL 3-WAY!!!! If the 3-way is built into the frame, like they are on the newer-cheaper mech 'cockers, then it's worthless as you can never upgrade it.
Use a high-output HPA/N2 Tank, get a 4500psi if you can, you'll find that if you make your 'cocker an LP with a new valve, you can get a case and a half out of a 68ci 4500psi tank. I'm running my 'cocker at 225psi input right now (lower than that and the pneumatics draw too much air away from the firing cycle) I have an 88ci 4500psi tank and I get two cases of paint through it before It drops to operating pressure (225-250psi) after that, the shots just start lobbing out the barrel. Also, I SWORE up and down that the 'cocker would be my last paintball gun ever. Dude, paintball markers are like tatoos, you never get a "last one." Honestly, just ask ShortyBP about marker purchases. That kid could open up his own field with all the stuff he's got. Mind you, "Shorty's Law" comes into play when you have too many markers. "Shorty's Law" states that any one person owning more than 10 paintball markers for personal use will not be able to keep any more than one (1) marker running for any period of time longer than to test it out. If there are two or more markers operational at the time a game begins, all markers except one will immediately fail upon being used by the owner. This is negated ONLY by a person who is not the owner of said markers using one of the owner's markers for play, in which case any marker they use will operate until touched by the owner of the marker. Likewise, any markers given to, or purchased by the subject of "Shorty's Law" will be recieved soley in a non-functioning state. In addition, any markers owned by the subject of "Shorty's Law", upon being repaired, may be sold to other players without the marker experiencing any issues ever again. Many scientists believe that the effect is caused by a disturbance in time-space that results from large quantities of aluminum, stainless steel, rubber, and synthetic plastics being stored in an un-protected domocile. Many religious leaders, on the other hand, state that "Shorty's Law" is simply the given diety's way of showing displeasure at an un-ballanced distribution of paintball gear. Many christian followers have often quoted the passage from Phillipians 3 verses 22-25: 22 "And lo did the lord smite Brianicus with a plague of failed o-rings, worn sears, and mysterious leaks. 23 And thusly id Brianicus cry out, "Why Lord? Why hast thou plagued me with such horrors?" 24 To which the Lord replied, "Thy passion for thy sport is outweighed by thy need for all things Tippmann, thus I have smited the objects of your greed!" 25 After which Megan, being the good-wife of Brianicus spake, "Thou wouldst be better served spending thy silver on a cruise for us to partake of."  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 4:15pm
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that....was beautiful ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 7:36pm
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Oh, and one last bit of advice, Once your 'cocker is timed, you don't really
need to mess with it too much, they don't un-time on you unless a screw or rod comes loose. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 8:06pm
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is it hard to time? but you still need to open uop and do regular maintience right? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 8:08pm
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but is it hard to adjust timings? ahhh whatever ill worry aboutr that when i get it ... it's still months away most likely so can anyone tell me if this cover will fit, even though it's a different company: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=tA0R2BNlj38RylYWz_vRcBmxi5sF0L2KbM0=?ProductID=6IzAqArbNXEAAAEOlGmgmD5A - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=tA0R2BNlj3 8RylYWz_vRcBmxi5sF0L2KbM0=?ProductID=6IzAqArbNXEAAAEOlGmgmD5 A ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 9:21pm
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 9:25pm
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thanks man ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 10:53am
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As for timing, it's not hard if you take your time, don't over do things (you want to make small incrimental adjustements) and just listen to what the manual says. Maintinance is EASY. Just pull the bolt (1 quick step) lube the o-rings (if it has any) run a squeedgie through the bolt-tube/breach/barrel (as it's a straight shot through) and voila.... you're set for standard maintinance. Every 10,000 shots or so, you want to lube your 3-way stem and o-rings, (if you're going mech) and lube your hammer (which is easy) other than that, 'cockers are virtually maintinance free.
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 3:28pm
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ok this will sound bad but... i'm not sure 100% what you guys mean by timing ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 3:48pm
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where can you buy karnivor triggers? action village doesn't seem to have them. and looking on action village, how do i know what upgrades will work on a karnivor? http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=sIOIphO52hCIIlbNOZFIDhlwzkt0UmTCzxk=?CategoryName=paintball-gun-parts-and-upgrades-autococker-gun-upgrades - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=sIOIphO52hCIIlbNOZFIDh lwzkt0UmTCzxk=?CategoryName=paintball-gun-parts-and-upgrades -autococker-gun-upgrades ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 4:18pm
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A Karnivor Trigger is just a Planet Eclipse E2 Eblade w/ Solenoid. They don't make them anymore, so you have to buy them used or NIB from e-bay or some other source.
Timing, in essence is setting at which point in the trigger stroke on an autococker the following happen:
There are a lot of factors that determine all of this. What type of 3-way you are using, or if you are using one at all. What type of sear, sear/hammer lug, do you have an adjustable lpr, total operating pressure, even down to what type of bolt and how light your back-block is. The main things that you should concern yourself with though, are the following:
Yeah, I know it's a lot to digest and learn, but like I said, take your time, read the manual. And if you go mech-cocker, see if you can't get your hands on "Autococker Trix". It's an old VHS tape there Budd takes you through how a 'cocker works, how to time it, etc. Very very very informative and easy to learn from as they use cut-aways, etc. ________________________ Edit: http://www.paintball-gun-supply.com/equipment_details.asp?pid=121 - We have a winner! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 4:40pm
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no i meant upgrade triggers and timing sounds complicated.... i guess i can only dream of fixing timings at the twist of an allen key? i'm not going mech. is there anything else good around the $700 range that i would be better with? and to carry over to this page: and looking on action village, how do i know what upgrades will work on a karnivor? http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=sIOIphO52hCIIlbNOZFIDhlwzkt0UmTCzxk=?CategoryName=paintball-gun-parts-and-upgrades-autococker-gun-upgrades - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=sIOIphO52hCIIlbNOZFIDh lwzkt0UmTCzxk=?CategoryName=paintball-gun-parts-and-upgrades -autococker-gun-upgrades ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 5:12pm
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anything except a 3-way, and you don't need to upgrade the trigger if you're electro. If someone makes a different board, that's about all you can do. Everything else will work in the marker with the exception of any pre '01 bolts.
My suggestion: Shocktech or Belsales LP Valve AKALMP Matched springs Delrin bolt and back-block palmer's quikram mini-rock lpr (adjustable) and a good inline reg everything else from that point on is mainly aesthetics ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 6:04pm
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i am planning on running high pressure tank through it, do i need high pressure regs?
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 6:35pm
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Alright, there are two regulators on a 'Cocker. An Inline (high pressure) reg and a LPR (Low pressure regulator.) The two regulators do two very separate things. The Inline regulator takes the incoming air pressure (800-850 on a preset tank) and brings it down to a pressure that the marker can operate at (usually around 600psi input). The air enters the valve chamber and is diverted both to the valve and the front block from there. As it is, 600psi would blow the lines off your ram and sieze up your 3-way (if not blow both parts up). The LPR takes the pressure down from whatever the inline regulator sets it to and brings it down to under 100psi so that the ram and 3-way can operate under suitable conditions. I believe that WGP still includes the inline reg in their new markers. They did when I bought my first 'cocker and seeing the direction they've gone, I'm sure they still do. The LPR is already on your marker as it is a basic piece of hardware needed to run the marker. It is not adjustable though. When you start running at a lower than normal operating pressure (like my 225psi) you need an adjustable LPR to lessen the ammount of bleed-off the front block takes to operate the pneumatics. It also helps to have an adjustable lpr to set how far back your back-block moves (no need to have it move farther than needed right?) and adjust the pressure at which the ram operates (which will help keep the marker "snappy" but keep it from chopping balls if you set it right). Some 3-ways also require different input rates. The palmer's quikswitch, for example, requires a higher pressure than a shocktech bomb to seat all the o-rings properly. Of course, if you go with an electro-trigger and solenoid combination (like the karnivor) you don't need to worry about 3-ways, but may find the solenoid operates better under lower pressures.
As for the stiffi bolt, I haven't used one, but the reviews rave about it. The price-tag seems a bit expensive though. The lack of needing to lube it is a big plus, and you'll see less wear on it due to it's composite construction. _________________________________________ Edit: P.S. You'll need http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=sIOIphO52hCIIlbNOZFIDhlwzkt0UmTCzxk=?ProductID=xuysFAY7lgwAAAD3k_ilA_2s - this Trust me on this. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 10:15pm
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100% necessary? like i should buy that that the time of buying a cocker or can i wait a few weeks? and does anyone think a 88 is too big? maybe a 68 is better? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:02am
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you can buy it later on, you'll just need it eventually.
88ci is what I run with, you need a long drop forward, hence the none-too-pretty one that is on my 'cocker. If you want more versatility in looks, go with a 68ci ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 4:04pm
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ok though the 88 is less money (completely retarted) i said i'd prefer a 68 but either is fine so will i hve any problem shouldering a 68? is it possible to shoulder a 88?
without a drop i mean ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 4:51pm
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well, the 88's gonna be like playing with an old pro-lite your 'cocker is going to be more like a rifle than the speedball marker it is built to be. Same with the 68ci really. I'd just invest in a drop.
http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/tech/autococker/ Above is a good site to see the workings and cut aways of a cocker ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:07pm
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wow.... complicated i will get a drop though ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:09pm
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Is it a standard "fat" 88, or an older less-common long 88 like my old Conquest?
If it's a fatty, it won't be much longer than a 68ci. It'll just be... fatter. 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:19pm
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stoopid fatties.... ain't got nuttin on my Armageddon! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:27pm
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action village has it at an inch longer so im guessing it's a fatty ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 9:53pm
 Action village gots some certified alabama blacksnake goin' on apparently!!!! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:43pm
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I have a long 88 crossfire, and i have to say, it is massive and i wish i didnt buy it, I would of gotten a stubby, a new one at that. With what ive had to fix on it i could of bought a new one, and its up for hydro in January, man was i stupid thats what i get for not waiting -------------
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 5:21pm
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ok im pretty sure im either getting a 68 or a halo for christmas. but it could be both ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:59am
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I got a 68 from a kid who quit paintball, the tank is in perfect condition and it still has a year and a half before hydro so if you look around long enough you can find good deals. Also I only paid 100 bucks for it and its a PMI tank
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 22 December 2006 at 7:48pm
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ok so you mentioned about how they stopped making the e2 framed karnivors... what happens after they are all gone? ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 22 December 2006 at 8:57pm
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They've been coming with SF frames for a while now. When E2s are gone, that's it unless you buy used. And they're already gone. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 22 December 2006 at 9:40pm
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not on action village, still there but what's wrong with the sf?
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