UCLA Student Tazed
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Topic: UCLA Student Tazed
Posted By: Heres To You
Subject: UCLA Student Tazed
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:45pm
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Anyone else here about this. I guess it's about a week old, but this kid was trying to leave the library becuase he didn't have his library card past eleven or something like that. So the cops stop him and I guess touch him or something, and he starts screaming, "Don't ****** touch me!" Anyway the end up tazering him like 4 or 5 times because he won't stand up after being tazed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs&eurl= - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs&eurl= - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs&eurl= ^^^The actual video (Some foul words) http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958 - http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958%3C/a%20target=" _blank=" - ">http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958 ^^^Article UCLA released a statement saying they were investigating. I can understand one taze, but after that, could they not just have handcuffed the kid and carried him out? I mean, he's 150 lbs max, he wasn't even posing a threat. Then the police threaten to taze other kids for standing around. I know you have to keep control, but this looks more like a power trip... I don't even want to know how quick Jessie Jackson would have those officers castrated in the guy would have been black... (Mods, there is some language in the video, but if it's to much, could you remove the link, and I can PM it to people rather than shutting the whole thread?) ------------- |
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:46pm
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Way old and there was a thread about it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 12:47pm
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My fault, I searched for student taze and nothing came up... Sorry, let it die. ------------- |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:06pm
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what a hippie
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:37pm
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Police overstepped their bounds. ------------- 
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:41pm
| if u dont follow the police instructions, they should be able to take out nightsticks and show the kid how much he used to appreciate the fact that he could of walked out |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:42pm
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYCeO67fCs - Video of his lawyer on CNN |
little devil wrote:Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:46pm
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all i heard was he was unable to produce his i.d. and wouldnt leave there fore the police should be able to do whatever it takes to gget this kid outa there |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 1:57pm
There was a link on digg to a post on some forum by a student who was actually there, and who knows the kid who got tazered. Here's what he had to say:
He also added later that a the campus police have a very good record and are usually very easy to deal with. So it seems that the video doesn't show everything after all. |
Posted By: 98cboy
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 5:10pm
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Still the cops shouldn't do that.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 5:36pm
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This is a curious story. There are obviously conflicting versions, but I would be surprised if the student weren't at least acting a little aggressive on purpose. Picking fights with authority figures is what college is all about, after all. Which is why I am a little surprised at the CAMPUS police reaction. These guys deal with students all day long, and know perfectly well that students are a belligerent lot. If they went around tazing every student that was picking a fight with campus cops, they would need new batteries daily. So against the backdrop of normal student behavior, this police action seems a little out of proportion. But I wasn't there, of course. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 5:51pm
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 5:55pm
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Judging by how loud he was being, and also off of the excerpt from the other kids statement who was there, he had it comming. I agree that if you can scream at the top of your lungs regarding the patriot act and then afterwards say 'I was tazered for no reason blah blah blah' without even a stitch of exhaustion in your voice, you can stand up. I've been tazered before and was able to get up afterwards. I say he had it comming and campus police did the right thing. The ball was in his court, he could have produced his ID and been done with it or calmly explained that he did not have it on him *whatever the case was* and there you have a peacefull solution. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 7:06pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 7:08pm
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You know, the scary thing is that I am not sure whether you are joking or not. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 8:06pm
The scary thing is I kinda agree with it..e.ven if he was joking  I still say there's a lot to this story we don't know about. A video taken out of context can be very misleading
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 12:51am
Regardless of whether you can stand up or not, you can taze him once and carry him out. It's not like he's 500 pounds... What are you going to do when you get a stubborn guy? Taze him until his heart stops? The line has to be drawn somewhere. ------------- |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 12:59am
Wow...are you serious? So you honestly can say that if you forgot your student ID, or dropped your wallet, and a police officer decided to knock out your teeth with a baton, you'd be smiling about it on the news the next day saying "nonono, I'm an idiot, I lost my card...they should have hit me harder actually" |
Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:05am
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Little Devil, that's dumb. And chewp, no. Even at a school library you still have to produce a student ID to be allowed in their if the rules say so. If you fail to do so, you are then trespassing and the police are then allowed to follow procedure. When you refuse to cooperate, they are allowed certain means to acomplish the goal of getting you off of the now 'private' property and tazing falls in to that category.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:17am
Being tazered 5 times in under a minute, while you're handcuffed and on the ground seems reasonable? "oh snap, he cant walk....lets shock him again!" Hows that going to give you more muscle control so you can even try to cooperate? |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 7:53am
Electric-Stimulus Duh. ------------- |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:19am
if id forgot my i.d., id leave when i was told to, i wouldnt make a huge deal screaming things after i got tazered once, id be doen with it walking out, not falling on the ground and screaming political crap trying to make the police jobs alot harder if this kid wants to be like this he deserved everything comming to him |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:37am
Lord. No, he didn't. If you made a scene because you didn't have an ID the officer has the right to use necessary force to make you leave. Necessary being the key word. It was completely unnecessary to taze the guy more than one time. After one taze he was on the ground, where he than could have been cuffed and escorted off the grounds. Lets flip it on you, Your father (Who has authority over you) tells you to get out of the kitchen (Which he owns), because you didn't ask him if you could go in first, you don't leave. So he whips out a night stick and bashes your knees in. You'd have a different tone than. What if a cop pulled you over, and you didn't have a license. He asks you to leave the car. You refuse, So he maces you, and lets loose an attack dog into your car. The force has to suit the incident in question, the UCLA student did not present any where near enough danger to warrant such an excessive show of force. ------------- |
Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 10:14am
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Ya but he still disobeyed the order i just dont understand why he didnt leave unless his wallet/I.D. was is in that room. Being tazered once just knocks the crap out of you but youre still ok, 5 times i have no idea.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 10:31am
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Freudian slip? |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 10:49am
Nope, just a blatent error. ------------- |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 11:12am
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I agree the should have only tazed him once but they obviously didn't use the full force of the tazer because my uncle just went threw the police academy and everyone gets tazer'd and he told me that he (the guy in the video) wouldn't have been screaming if he was tazer'd with the full force of the tazer. I think they should have given him the full shot of the tazer and then cuff'd him and taken him away to spend a night or two in jail... I say they shouldn't have done what they did but the student was acting out of line and he got what he deserved
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 12:11pm
You mean...NAMBLA?
So what if he disobeyed the order? It doesnt justify the force used. Force may have been warranted (I doubt it, he wasnt a threat, he was protesting peacefuly) But they went way above and beyond in the amount of force. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 12:27pm
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If college cops did that every time a college student didn't do as they were told, nobody would ever get to class. This is not a traffic stop. This is not a dangerous neighborhood. This is college. This guy was a college kid. He was not a threat. He was just being an ass, like most college students like to do from time to time. The police force escalation scale for fundamentally non-threatening environments does NOT go: 1. Ask politely. 2. Ask forcefully. 3. Set to stun. These cops had been faced with belligerent students at least a dozen times this month, I promise you. Their action on this occasion was what was unusual, not the ass-ness of the student. |
Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:36pm
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to me it looks like they tazed him that many times because he wasent getting up, he'd just lay there limp and scream what should the cops of picked him up and man handled the kid out the door? as far as i saw the kid wasent crippled, he could walk himself out do u think that these cops were just like hey this kid doesnt have his i.d. lets taze the crap out him! make ourselves feel all good and warm inside? |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:44pm
On the video you don't see the Ask politely part or Ask forcefully part, all you see is the end result and for the simple fact that he started yelling about this is your patriot act just shows how he did desire it ------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:56pm
Yes. Exactly. Because that is what police officers do.
As I have already said several times in this thread, I have no doubt that he was picking a fight with the cops. That's what college students do. Which is all the MORE reason not to give him a fight. To me, this tape is more about bad/lazy police officers than about evil police officers. Good cops would have recognized that they were being taunted and set up, and would have managed the situation appropriately. |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 4:06pm
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But Clark, would be a fine deterrant if police used:
The police force escalation scale for fundamentally non-threatening environments does NOT go: 1. Ask politely. 2. Ask forcefully. 3. Set to stun. Would lead to a more polite society. Served in Germany back in the day, was the Polizei's SOP, and it worked well. That and that spring loaded "nightstick" whap em once, hold it in position, kept whapping suspect till desired response was forthcoming. Also SOP was 1, count them 1, shout of halt then they were allowed to shoot, to wound of course, as they were trained to shoot center mass... LoL ------------- 
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 4:10pm
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"Yes. Exactly. Because that is what police officers do."
did he not flip out when they originally grabbed him? how do they know what the kid may do?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 4:16pm
How do they know? Experience. Because they have had students flip out at them a hundred times before, I can promise you. Like I said - this is not the hood, this is not a gang-banger, this is not an assault suspect, this is not even a random traffic stop. It is a student in the library. This was bad police work. Very bad police work. |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 4:17pm
You mean people have to appreciate you wanting to throw them out? Of course he was going to act like he didn't want to be touched. He was already PO'd. It doesn't matter what he wanted. It wouldn't have been hard at all to taze him once and use two of the three cops to escort him out of the building. I've seen bouncers with more self control... ------------- |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 4:24pm
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Back in the day I used to work security at concerts and nightclubs. This student's got nothing on the jerks we had to deal with, and we managed just fine without tazers or anything else. Interpersonal skills go a long way in dealing with difficult situations. I'll stand by my original statement: This was bad police work. Very bad police work. |
Posted By: 98cboy
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 4:55pm
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Yah what Clark said.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 5:44pm
im sorry i forgot that everybody deals with there problems the same and noone would ever do anything different or act different. so what do u guys just think that these cops were thinking when they did it? if they didnt do it for a reason |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 5:47pm
"Lets make this kid an example for the rest, by using excessive force" Or "I'm so sick of dealing with these kids, it's about time one of them gets it" Cops are humans too, subject to the same sort of anger. They are just expected, as it is their job to do so, to handle situation with finesse'. You may as well just put a Swastika as your avatar little devil. ------------- |
Posted By: Boss_DJ
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 6:21pm
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stupid college hippies
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 6:34pm
I wasn't aware that they took the oath and get off subjective to the rules. A little mistake is one thing. Tazering a kid 5 times when one was only needed to subdue (when he wasn't even posing a PHYSICAL threat) is rediculous. So every kid with an attitude gets repeat tazes? I've heard those tazers use energizer batteries, so I'm going to invest stock if that law ever passes.... I can hear it now....The UCLA campus tazed 14,000 kids this weekend... ------------- |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 7:43pm
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little devil needs to watch at least one episode of COPS.
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Posted By: Rock Slide
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:21pm
heh... High Voltage posting in a thread about tazers. ------------- I bring annihilation and cheap red wine! |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:24pm
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I think the main concern with this story is he was leaving anyway. He was on his way out when campus police grabbed his shoulders/elbows, which is when he starts saying "Get your hands off me", and the tazing starts then. -------------
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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:32pm
In all fairness, he screamed, "Get your f'n hands off me". Just kidding, it doesn't matter. ------------- |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:57pm
He was leaving already, there was nothing required of the police officers. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 12:27am
ROFL. You caught me sipping beer with that one- I almost spit it out. Well played sir, well played. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 12:48am
| Too bad the kid wasn't black. They would be in MUCH more trouble. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 12:50am
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 1:02am
He is Iranian though... |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 1:03am
Ah. They could just say they thought he was a terrorist and get away with it. |