Well its a wierd topic but.....
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Topic: Well its a wierd topic but.....
Posted By: FROG MAN
Subject: Well its a wierd topic but.....
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:08pm
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I wanna see what you think. Porn on the interweb and softcore pron on TV is getting more and more accessible. Some people say this is step forward that we are becoming a less up tight society about sex. Others, say it is derogatory, downgrading and just plain disgusting. What do you think? Do you think the media needs to be more carefull about whats shown on TV and maybe the goverment needs to crack down on websites to make sure viewers are of age, not just a warning at the top of the page. I personally have never really liked porn, I have looked at it, (like everyone else) and it actully just seems gross to me (alot of it), and can not shake the feeling that, "thats someones daughter" kinda thing. i dont know, just how i feel personally. well, whats your input? (edit, i though sex and porn got caught in filter) ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:08pm
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"this is step forward that we are becoming a less up tight society about seks."
EDIT: OR it sends the message that we are still so uptight that we have to make it illicit and hidden. It wouldn't hold peoples attention nearly so much if they just accepted it. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:10pm
should we be "more" uptight about seks should we discuss that seks is much more then just a physical, unfufilling desire, and that there is a deep emotional attachment to your partner and should be kept sacred? ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
BARREL BREAK wrote:Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:11pm
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its only degrading if its something thats absolutly disgusting like watersports, barnyard fun, or pics of carl. all that stuff should be banned. im not uptight about seks but when any of my friends are talking about i ithinks its kinda akward. friend-so i came up on this girl and she was like OH me-oh ya  ------------- Canadians do it on top. 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:12pm
again, where/how can we draw the moral line, there has to be line, not someones biast opionion of what can be alowed and what cant. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:14pm
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I think north america is grossly uneducated and uptight about sex and sexuality. Look at europe, way more relaxed about it, and its not causing huge social problems within their countries. Its really only a big deal because people make it a big deal. Look at words you couldnt say on TV 10 years ago, and how common some of those words are now. They dont have the same impact anymore as they once did, just because they arent as taboo, and are used more often. I hate to see when people are really prudish about sex or their sexuality, especially when a girl thinks that enjoying their sexual side is dirty or wrong. If a guy can do it, a girl can too. Its natural, healthy, and fun. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:14pm
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Unfortunatly you can't really regulate internet prons. If you can't regulate illegal music downloading how do you expect to put a cap on the porn. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:16pm
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This is an interesting topic that can be maturely discussed on both sides. But this is a forum full of horned up teenagers who are pretty much just going to say "OMG ITS MAH RITE TO LOOK AT TEH PRONS!!!" I think pornography can be slightly disillusioning to people. I think it callouses people to the act. I don't entirely know if this is a bad thing or not though. It leads into another quite interesting topic of how much emotional weight people put into the act of sex, and if that is a good or bad thing. I hope this topic stays smart/clean long enough to get some good conversation out of it. ------------- 
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:18pm
And it only has that deep emotional/sacred attatchment because you assign it to sex. As to drawing the line, as long as it's a consensual act between knowledgable adults that does not harm anyone not involved, why stop them? Tae- Good point. But whether or not It is the right thing for someone to look at porn should be their decision, not someone elses. If it disillusions you, well, you can hardly blame anyone else, you chose to view it. |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:19pm
| As you said though many people only know the zomg! aspect of porn. I agree that it definatly desensitizes people which is bad IMO. It also puts a lot of false notions into young minds. But as I said try finding a way to rationalize internet porn. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:19pm
Well there is a difference between being prudish, and just not wanting to do it. I think that a girl can know that she is sexual without having sex. It all depends on how much emotional attachment someone puts into sex. This is not saying that people who have sex simply for the physical pleasure of it are wrong at all. They just do not have the same feeling involved, and that is cool too. It comes down to the individual person really. -------------
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:20pm
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Westerners in general seem to put WAY too much emphasis on the importance of sex. There are plenty of people who dont take it super seriously, and understand sex for what it is. Others see it as a huge sacred act that is sinful under ANY other condition than making babies. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:21pm
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See the thing about porn, is if people want to find it they will, so why not instead of being scared of porn, embrace it, and bring with it education, and show that have a personal moral standard is important. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:21pm
I agree with this quite a bit. Pornography at a young age gives kids a false idea about sex, I think. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:21pm
I don't think the point of Chewps statement (correct me if I'm wrong) Is to say everyone should be having sex 24/7. It is that people shouldn't be embarassed to admit/embrace their sexual identity. Whether or not they go out and do it is irrellevant. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:24pm
I am not really falling on either side. I don't think there is anything wrong with putting emotional attachment on the act of sex. I don't see how it makes someone not "understand" sex any less. Now, the crazies that think any sex outside of marriage is wrong, I don't agree with them at all. I fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:25pm
Oh, I agree 100% with that, worded in that manner. People, especially ones who fall into the Christian/religious area, are far too afraid to admit they have any sexual urges or to embrace their sexuality. It leads to nothing but repression and frustration. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:27pm
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*Sex Are we so uptight that we have to "fix" the spelling? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:29pm
ya, I (and some other people) belived that they would get caught in the filter. wich actully fits nicely into this discussion ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:30pm
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squishey i will honestly send you pics if you want man..... or anyone who wants them ....not even kiddding ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:31pm
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Thought on Porn's "desensetizing" effect:
It makes things less foreign, and by consequence, less exciting. Now, the loss of Mystique can be both a harm, and a help. But it [porn] can also create a false impression of sex. But when viewed through the proper filter, with knowledge that what you are seeing is not an accurate representation, I think one can take it without a distorting effect. Which is why education, and a free flow of ideas are vital. Did that make any sense? |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:33pm
| Apparently, that's part of our problem there, we feel it's unnatural to a degree but then we hit a part in our lives were it's like boom porn sex flith etc. but our minds are somewhat at that level that feels that it's unnatural to a degree. |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:33pm
Exactly! whale, I know you dont have sex, but your reasons are totally legit. You dont do it, because you dont want to, for your reasons. It's not because "OMG, GOD WILL KILL ME!" or whatever other beleifs someone instilled in you. You're making your own choices, and are educated about sex and sexuality, and make your decisions based on those decisions. Now alot of people dont have sex because they are told it's wrong, or are told abstinence is the only way to go. While sure, thats one method...but thats just a rediculous teaching method. If you avoid educating todays youth about the realities of sex, the chances are they wont make the wisest choices, unless they decide to do some unbiased research as well. And yes, someone can be sexual without having sex, but without doing anything, that would seem like a claim that would be difficult to make without knowing for sure. But yes, you can be sexual, and not have full blown sex. As comfortable as I am with myself, with sex, and my sexuality, I still chose to not have sex for 3 years or so, because there was no-one that I was involved with in a way that I felt "I'd like to sleep with this person" Sure, I did everything else, alot, but because of personal preference I decided not to. So the long and short of it is: If you dont want to have sex, cool, great, dont! Dont do something for the sake of doing it. But be educated, understand your reasoning why you want to, why you dont want to. etc ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:37pm
Personally, I'm extremely aware at all times that porn, and reality are two entirely seperate entities. What I see in porn by NO means makes me expect such things in real life. If I watch a "normal" movie, or play a video game, I dont suddenly change my perspective on life to encompass such occurances as "regular life." Porn is entertainment to help achieve a "goal" most of the time, and thats where it ends. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:38pm
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The thing that scares me is, alot of people dont understand that Sex (as of now, from media or because its human nature) is a DESIRE and thing about desires it cannot be fufilled, leading to wierder, and very imoral practices trying to complete a desire. I now moral and wierd are personal opionions but understand, that indead when some people try to fill these desires it can lead to child pron, rape etc.. that is a subject that people need to understand i belive. (take note, im not trying to sound anti-sex) This leads in nicley with the "goal" that chewp said ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:38pm
Europe is notorious for being uptight about violence though. They may have things resembling porn on normal television but they are much more strict about gross violence and such, its a trade off. We could ask them the same question about violence. As for the topic, I think its just a personal thing. If people want to be open about it, let them, if they dont, let them. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:40pm
Wait, what? |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:40pm
You must be joking. You honestly think that those who give into their "desire" to have sex will eventually become rapists and child molesters because they're looking for a new "thrill"? ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:41pm
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I think our current situation is good. We don't need porn on cable TV. I'm all for porn, but I don't want it to be on basic cable or anything.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:42pm
Yeah. That is the issue with porn, or atleast the one I see. I don't really know if it is a good thing or bad thing that it kills the "mystique" of sex. It is interesting to think about. I know that someone mature enough to know they are not watching realistic sex is just fine watching it, but I wonder sometimes if some of the people who watch it are really mature enough to understand "Hey sex is not really/should not really be like this." Very interesting topic that I am not sure I have a strong stance one way or the other on. -------------
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:43pm
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Rape is about power and control. It doesn't really have much to do with sexual desire.
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:43pm
omg, do not explode my words, I just said it CAN lead to it, i know its rare, and im not anti porn, and im just saying there is dangers with it, even if the cases are rare. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:46pm
No no no. I get what he is saying, although he did not word it well. Some people grow up having absolutely no education about sex, they only get it through TV, movies, porn, etc., that tells you that the only right way to have sex is as soon and as often as you absolutely can. This can lead to those people making some very bad decisions. Unprotected sex, sex as only being a game, not having the proper respect for the partners involved, and other bad things. -------------
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:47pm
No, not at all. I'm not exploding your words at all. Sex is not a desire in the sense that it cant be satisfied. I'm sexually active, and I have never found myself thirsting for the next big thrill to any sort of extreme. Even the kinkiest of kinky couples would not go the path of "OH HAY, I"M BORED, LETS GO RAPE A CHILD!" That's just absolutely insane, and to seriously think that such a thing is a serious threat itself is just scary. You are obviously uneducated in many aspects of human sexuality and behaviour. I suggest you do some research before you spout any more utterly FALSE fears as fact. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:47pm
ty, i fail at teh english sometimes ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:48pm
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Chewp FTW
Those sort of crimes do not stem from the same thought patterns as sexual desire. Seriously, look only as far as sexual abuse in the clergy for proof. No joke. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:49pm
you dont make sense to agrue with. how did i say that when people are bored they want to go rape a child? people who are uneducated can get false information that more sex is always better, and SOME people that can lead to stronger desire, thatn can lead to other things, i used rape and such as worst case scenario example. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:50pm
That is not AT ALL how you worded it:
So, in short: This is what scares you: people dont seem to understand that sex is a desire. According to you, desires cant be fufilled, which leads to a downward cycle. Unless your wording was absolutely terrible, and didnt convey your opinion at all, then I've summed it up as you worded it. I seriously hope that you just wrote it poorly, and that is not at all what you mean. The way that you worded it was that those who are sexually active will get worse and worse desires, such as rape. What it sounds like you MEANT to say is that those who are poorly educated in regards to sex will not understand the basics behind sex, and sexuality, ie: what is acceptable, normal, and so on. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:54pm
basicaly you got it, and i understand that it can also lead to some enjoying there sexuality and having a great life Im sexually active with my gf, and your right i dont have crazy desires, and i dont get bored, sorry if i came off really anti sex, that is not what i wanted, EDIT, i didnt mean "people" i mean young, impressionable youths, who are the most uneducated. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:54pm
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I understood what I think he was saying. Maybe not, I dunno. I think there are more people who do not go about sex in a good way than one would realize. Like I said, people who pressure others into sex, people that think more is better, people that do not treat there partners in a respectful way, people who do not use protection, etc. I do think people who do not at least control themselves somewhat, people who do things like the things listed above, and in the wrong. -------------
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:57pm
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So, this was a case of poor wording, correct? Frog Man, you dont think that sexually active people will continue to spiral down until they do something wrong. You meant to say something about the dangers of people being uneducated. Correct? ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 11:59pm
Its not just people being uneducated, its dumb people in general. Even if a person knows everything about everything in sex and still chooses to do the things I listed, I think the person is wrong, and in a very dangerous manner. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:00am
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I know way too many people that think with their penises. Everything I hear out of them (often times literally) has some sort of deliberate joke about sex. In todays youth culture (for legitimate reasons, let's say 18-25, but we all know younger is included), it's difficult to "make love," and way too easy to "bang some chick." This severely turns me off to the whole sexual world. I'm not about to burst due to lack of sex, and it doesn't bug me. I would like to wait until I feel comfortable with it, and that it's going to mean something, not just another "score." To sum it up: I hate teens... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:01am
Thats an issue with the individuals mental state altogether (especially to the extent of rape, etc) not about the sexual education and comfort in general. You could study sex for a living, and still be a pedo, etc. Thats not lack of education, thats being messed the hell up. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:04am
On a personal level, I agree with you. However, I cannot really say it is right or wrong for others. If they want to have sex be at that level in their lives, it is their choice. Now, could I do it? No, which is why I am not. But I don't necessarily think that someone who does it is "wrong" or is a bad person. -------------
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:06am
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Well, that's true. Some of my friends seem to have an over active hormonal drive, but I'd never think them less of a person. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:06am
I am not really talking about rape or pedophilia. I am talking about normal sexual activity. (If there is such a thing). Pressuring other into sex, not respecting partners, things like that, can come from both a lack of education, and from just generally not being a good person. -------------
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:07am
yes, just saying there is alot of education about sex that need to be tought not just safe sex like in school, right? Im sure i could learn alot about it still. sorry for long reply didnt realize there was a page 3, ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:08am
While I can see where you're coming from, it goes back to the whole issue of overall comfort about sexuality. Why does sex have to be "making love" with someone you're connected to? Sex and relationships can be exclusive from one another quite easily. This goes back to the whole "make your own" choices thing. If you only want to have sex with your life partner, cool, do it. If you want to have sex with someone you met at a party, cool, do it. Just be educated about it. Be safe, and know why you are, or arent doing something. Being able to joke about sex isnt necissarely a sign of immaturity. Sure, if its grade 8 kids doing it...it probably is...but if you're comfortable enough with yourself, and your friends are too, theres nothing wrong with a sexual conversation. I have them all the time with friends of mine, and it simply isnt a big deal, its just the level of comfort we're at. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:09am
Example. My friend. I will withhold names. He has sex frequently with different people. He always makes sure the girl is 100% consenting and is not going to regret it or hate him afterwards. He always makes sure they know it is just sex, not a relationship and not emotional. He always uses protection. I respect the hell out of him for it. I see nothing wrong with what he does. He gets a lot of sex, but does it responsibly. -------------
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:09am
Ah, yes, agreed. That could stem from any number of things. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:13am
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This may sound weirder than the topic at hand, but would pedophelia (by it's official definition, not by our preset notions) really be wrong if both parties were consenting? I'm not talking like toddlers, as that is just wrong, but like 11 or 12 year olds. I think a girl (or boy, whatever) of that age has the knowledge to know what they would be getting into by agreeing. Same thing with incest. Sure, there are physical problems, but what truely makes it wrong? Obviously, we see it as wrong. I personally wouldn't consider either one, but let's consider them as questions that needs to be asked. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:15am
It comes from sociological and ethical norms. I don't think children are mentally mature enough to fully make the decision on their own. -------------
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:15am
I understand your point, but 11 or 12 seems too young to me. 14 sounds ok to me, that's at least highschool. Again, personal preference I suppose. There could very well be a 12 year old that is sexually more educated and mature than a 20 year old frat boy. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:16am
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Yeah, that's true too. I guess it would take a few more years to truely understand what they would be getting into.
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:17am
Yeah, thats sort of my constant theme. Know what you're getting into, and why. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:18am
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Of course, the sexually ambiguous preteen is definately out there. I remember in junior high, there was an 8th grader bragging about having sex. I don't know if it was true or not, but they are out there. I also seem to recall a prgnancy around that time. I don't know if it would be possible to give birth to a live baby at that age, but I seem to remember a girl like that. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:19am
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ages are going to vary greatly right? i guess 18 just seems like the safe way to make sure even the least informed kids know something about sex. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:19am
And although ages of consent vary somewhat, it is generally accepted that people under the age of, usually 16, simply are not going to know what they are getting into, and why. I think that is why society frowns upon it. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:23am
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:28am
That's the whole issue though. Should kids be educated earlier. If sex were an acceptable part of society, it's likely that there would be no issue with teaching sex ed in schools. This leads to the whole aspect of being educated and understanding what you're getting into. While you may think that kids in grade 8 would just giggle about it, thats pretty likely, but thats as society stands today. If ads like "happy juice" aired regularely, seeing a bare breast in a classroom wouldnt be such a big deal. Essentially, the idea of having sexuality being socially acceptable and comfortable changes just about any issue in regards to it. However, it's possible that these changes arent all possible, but I'm not worried, as a change like this isnt something I see happening overnight by anymeans....or ever. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:32am
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Posted By: FlimFlam
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 10:18am
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Paralell to that point, I've often wondered how much our (Western Nations) repression of sexual expression and desire, both religiously and socially, contribute to mental states that create pedophiles, or rapists, or any kind of sex crime offenders... In other words, do we have more sex crime per capita here, than say Europe does, or Japan? I've never bothered to do the research, but I would suggest that we do, based upon our society's repressive nature. I find it incredible that on network TV, on any given night I can tune in for roughly 3 murders per hour across the networks, and that's perfectly fine. But a bare breast, or a couple engaged in sex is still taboo.... I've got to tell you, as a father of twin girls, I'd rather they see the sex than the violence... To the orignal question about pornography, I think it's ok in "normal" doses. I think it can be quite harmful for the porn junky, for many of the reasons stated in previous posts. Of course, how do you define normal doses? I don't know really... Once a month? Once a day? Probably somewhere in between... ------------- 
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 11:01am
Agreed, I've thought about that point many many times, how something as unnatural and destructive as taking an axe to someones face is fair game for TV, but as soon as you want to show a female nipple, you're crossing the line. A bit rediculous to me really. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
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Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 11:33am
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 11:44am
| I like porn. Its so funny. I was watching some last week after a party. Me and some friends (girls included) started watching it when we saw the name "Bikini Girls and the Lost Planet". It was hilarious. |
Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:02pm
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I think if somebody sees an actor on TV take an axe to someone's face, they may be creeped out and whatnot, but they will forget it after a little while and it won't really affect them. If they see porn and sex though, in my opinion it will stay with them a lot longer and would be more likely to influence important decisions later in life. That's why you have to be careful with it. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:12pm
It would stick with them longer because they arn't accustom to seeing it. Try the same thing in europe, see what happens there. ------------- |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:18pm
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More than that, there is TONS of research showing negative effects of viewing violence on TV. It goes way beyond getting "creeped out". The research on porno is a little trickier, since "porn" isn't really a unified category. Some porn is violent, some is not. Some is "lopsided", some is not. But I am not aware of any research showing any negative effects from "vanilla" porn. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:19pm
mmmmmmmmmmmm Vanilla. ------------- |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:04pm
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Vanilla just isn't my flavor. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:08pm
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I personally prefer political porn.
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:10pm
like Hilary Clinton and John McCain doing it ------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:14pm
While debating the troop levels in Iraq. -------------
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Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:17pm
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You just like to hear her say "Withdraw" in a breathless voice, covered in sweat. -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:19pm
I prefer seeing McCain staying the course. -------------
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 6:24pm
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I think porn has been a negative influence in my life because after three days of dating I started having dirty sex with my girlfriend. But that wasn't enough so I continued to watch porn. No we are broken up but the last thing we did together sober was watch porn. We were going to make our own but then I got too loaded and did things I can never take back. ------------- |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 6:30pm
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I think the problem here isn't the porn, but your idea that some sex is "dirty". As long as all involved are old enough to consent, and do in fact consent, how can sex be bad or "dirty"? Most arguments against pornography, in my experience, usually fall into one of two categories: (a) demeaning to women, and (b) encourages sex. (a) is a bit more complicated, but (b) is very simple. Encouraging sex is bad only if the sex itself is bad. Therefore the "desensitization" to sex by pornography is only bad if you don't think people should be having lots of sex. Thus the problem isn't really the porn but the resulting sex. And since I generally favor sex. Desensitization to violence, on the other hand, tends to lead to violence. And as between sex and violence, I definitely prefer sex. |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 6:34pm
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not bothering to read four pages on this There's nothing wrong with porn, watching porn, or the activities associated with it. You won't get hair on the palms of your hands, and you won't go blind. Some porn is wierd, its whatever, but if people didn't make such a big deal about it, and just let it be, we wouldn't be worrying so much. Besides, only like a quarter of the people who watch porn are even old enough. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 6:47pm
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but is it? im sure for some it is but i think it is actually more sexual desire ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 6:48pm
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I honestly think the lack of sexual education and the taboo of sex in this
country is more to blame for sexual misdeeds in this country than any ammount of porn is. The only reason that pornography is ever brought into the fold concerning cases of sexual abuse, assault, or misconduct is due to the fact that the people who commit such acts bottled up their desire for so long that, aside from the acts they commit, the only way they could find any relief for their sexual desires was through fantasizing about their desires with the aid of pornography. Now, pornography, if viewed in conjunction with an unlawful or immoral desire can help trigger that person to commit those acts. This HAS been proven by university and psychological studies. The issue isn't whether all pornography is bad, but rather, should acts of illegal sexual conduct (Rape, pedophilia, etc) be allowed to be portrayed? I'm not saying one way or another as the ACLU would probably like to have a word with me if I did. Mind you, I think sex is a wonderful and beautiful thing, especially between two people who love, RESPECT and appreciate each other. The respect is the important thing in all of this. Now, with that said, I'd like to say that I LOVE the fact that my girlfriend has a sex drive comprable to mine.  ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 6:50pm
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Booyah. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 7:24pm
wow, that was good ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 7:40pm
By using the word "dirty" I meant that we didn't use condoms. I'm all for sex. But from now on I gotta keep it safe.
Sex education goes out the window when you're a desperate teen who feels like he's the last one to get laid. You're not going get her in the mood then say "Hold that thought, let me run out to the nearest drugstore and get some rubbers". The second my children turn 14 or so I'm going to buy them condoms. ------------- |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 7:48pm
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I'm in agreement on the lack of sex ed in this country. Sure, it's ok to teach celebacy as the only absolutly foolproof way to avoid pregnancy and STDs, but not at the expense of covering the other options. For example, I know a girl who's decided she wants to save herself until marrige because she doesn't want to get knocked up or get STDs, but she's a complete buttslut. Some people really need help getting their priorities in order. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 7:51pm
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Statistics prove otherwise. No education is 100%, of course, but sex ed has been shown to be very effective around the world. |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 10:45pm
Dont even talk about being the last teen to get laid. That is no excuse for being an idiot. ------------- |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 10:51pm
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its not always schools job to teach kids maybe parents need some sex ed about talking to there kids ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 10:57pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:48am
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I'm with red. It's always an obvious answer to whatever difficult question that "the parents should do a better job". But the reality is that many/most parents DON'T do a better job. As a matter FACT, American parents are doing a rather crappy job of teaching their kids about a variety of things, sex included. We should certainly try to help parents do a better job, but until that happens we have to deal with the reality that society as a whole has a problem. "Not my job" is not solution-focused. In a perfect world the parents would handle this. In the real world, society has to handle it instead. |
Posted By: sporx
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:53am
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I'll be honest. I didn't even read this entire thread and
all I have to say is that I like pron.(a lot) The stuff that is on TV and if people have a problem with the youth viewing it, then the parents need to take more responsibility and not let them view it. As for me and millions of others, we like the "free" soft pron on TV. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:40pm
Of course it is. It's just a bad excuse. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 3:40pm
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I think that hitman was saying something more on the lines that sex education ALONE isn't enough. Easy access to the necessary safety equipment needs to be available as well. As he said, if you're young, horny, and both of you are ready to go, chances are, you aren't going to say "hold that thought" so you can run the 5 blocks to CVS with a hard-on to get some jimmy hats. If Public school were allowed to distribute such items to the students (should the students have enough balls to go in and ask for them) then there'd probably be fewer pregnancies and STDs in the american youth. Even if I knew I didn't have a snowball's chance in hell when it came to getting some in my more formative years, I'd have loaded up on condoms like a tubby kid on candy heading to fat camp the next day.
On that note, I went to school in the Mid Hudson Valley in NY. My girlfriend in college went to Syracuse. Whenever I went up to visit her, she's leave me a brown paper bag with the word "lunch" written on it. First time I opened it up, it was filled with condoms from her school's health dept. I kid you not, they had a 5 gallon mixing bowl filled with every type you could imagine! I don't know much about the educational opportunities at SU, but dayamn! If you were gonna get some, they made sure you weren't going to get anything life-altering out of it. I think Sex and Alcohol are the two most taboo things in American society today. Both wouldn't cause nearly as many problems in society if we just took the time to educate our children about them. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 4:17pm
No glove, no love. I'm not going to bump uglies with someone without protection, it just wont happen. I have even been like, blindly drunk, at the point where running across a gravel pit/ parking lot in your boxers seems like a good idea, and I still used a condom. (Thats why I was running to my car, to get one) It's just sooooo deeply engrained in my head that its what I do. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 7:18pm
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I think it's the addictiveness of it all.
When i was with my fiancee, in the beginning, i couldn't keep my hands off her. Then it got kinda routine so i turned to porn. I got addicted to porn and neglected the fiancee. The whole thing is, porn is fine now and then, as long as you know the difference between it and reality. All it really took to get out of my funk was to try new stuff(most of which i learned from porn)on the fiancee.Then i was able to maintain a healthy balance. It should come as no shock that i am rather fond of(and an officianado of sorts) on the adult entertainment industry. It was too bad that i was uneducated to the point where i had to go through the experience i just told you about in order create the perfect balance i enjoy today. I was never censored as a child( i remember the ron jeremy was still making movies), so that added to my dilemma, but it did help me mature much faster. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 7:33pm
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 11:40pm
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Guys, i dunno about you, but all i think about is skeeting on girls faces.
Do girls actually like getting skeeted on? ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 8:33am
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One foot just crossed the line. Let's take that foot back, and leave both feet behind the line. Thanks. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 12:05pm
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Before:
Right Foot ____________ Left Foot Now: No Feet _________ Both Feet Sorry dude, i wasnt in the right mindset last night. Anyway, my opinion on porn is that its funny most of the time. Storylines cant be any better than they are. I dont think its bad for youth, i dont think its bad for anyone actually. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 12:07pm
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