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Topic: Quote Contest
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Subject: Quote Contest
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:10pm

Guess who said this and you win.

" To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic abberation, could have been formed by natural selections, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

"...Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory."

The "theory," being evolution.



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:19pm
Why Darwin, of course.


Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:21pm
"Evolution" gave it away...

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:25pm

Here's another one.

Chronic remorse, as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment. If you have behaved badly, repent, make what amends you can and address yourself to the task of behaving better next time. On no account brood over your wrongdoing. Rolling in the muck is not the best way of getting clean.

Guess and I'll send you a copy of one of my favorite books. Book has relevence to quote btw.



Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:26pm
 first guess too. loller


Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:34pm
Here's a great one...

"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naďve, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as "empty," "meaningless," or "dishonest," and scorn to use them. No matter how "pure" their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work too well at best."


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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:39pm
Oh please, bri.  That's too easy.  Especially coming from you.


Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:43pm

Oh, I personally like this one:

"It's better to stay quiet and let people think you are stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Or something like that. I forget who said it...



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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Oh please, bri.  That's too easy.  Especially coming from you.


I just wanted to share it- I don't care if people guess it. It's quite a profound quote. And besides, how many people have actually read that book?


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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:22pm

Actually, while the author is easy enough, I don't think I can ID the character/book.  They do tend to flow together...

I wanna say the book is ST, but it might also have been SISL.



Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Actually, while the author is easy enough, I don't think I can ID the character/book.  They do tend to flow together...

I wanna say the book is ST, but it might also have been SISL.



For shame. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love".

Lots of the best quotes are from that character/book.


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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:04pm
I was really hoping this would turn into a Creation Vs. Evolution debate.

I am kinda disappointed.


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:09pm

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:


For shame. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love".

Lots of the best quotes are from that character/book.

lol - by the time he got around to that one, he had almost stopped writing fiction, and his books had dissolved into 300 pages of preaching ("Cat that Walks Through Walls", anyone?).  Still fun to read, though.

:)



Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:22pm
http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html - Here Clark, this one is for you.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:30pm

Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html - Here Clark, this one is for you.

You're just trying to set me off, aren't you...

;)



Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:48pm

O.K., That one was too easy, here is another one from one of my favorite Towering Intellectuals, see if you can guess who.

" ...At the same time, the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made... the people will have ceased to be thier own rulers, having resigned thier government into the hands of the eminent tribunal..." 



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 2:58pm

If you want this to be hard, you need to get more obscure.

Lincoln.

EDIT - more specifically, one of his inaugural addresses.  The first, I believe.



Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:


For shame. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love".

Lots of the best quotes are from that character/book.

lol - by the time he got around to that one, he had almost stopped writing fiction, and his books had dissolved into 300 pages of preaching ("Cat that Walks Through Walls", anyone?).  Still fun to read, though.

:)



Oh, he's RIDICULOUSLY preachy, but it's still fun to read.


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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

If you want this to be hard, you need to get more obscure.

Lincoln.

EDIT - more specifically, one of his inaugural addresses.  The first, I believe.


Correct, however, are you cheating? No search engines now. Any guessing has to be off the top of your head.

Now, here is another:

"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it."

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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:11pm
"No more indo, gin and juice.I'm on my way to Chino, rollin on the grey goose."

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:12pm

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

Correct, however, are you cheating? No search engines now. Any guessing has to be off the top of your head.

No need to cheat.  This is strictly High School reading list so far.



Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:14pm

Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

"No more indo, gin and juice.I'm on my way to Chino, rollin on the grey goose."

Hmm...  I think you mean "endo"...

Not sure about this one - "gin and juice" is so common in rap these days, it's hard to tell who is quoting whom.

I'm pretty sure that isn't the lyrics from Doggystyle, which means that it is probably more recent than that...

Wait - is this off Snoop Dogg's new album?



Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:

"No more indo, gin and juice.I'm on my way to Chino, rollin on the grey goose."

Hmm...  I think you mean "endo"...



Its indo. For Indonesian herbs...


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Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 3:44pm
"Soccer is a strange sport played by damaged people"-robin williams

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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:20pm
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their own free choice--is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."

- John Stuart Mill


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:22pm
"Yo Quiero Taco Bell."


Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:26pm
Quite possibly the best part of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and considered to be one of the great descriptions of the 60's.



     "It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run… but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant…. History is hard to know, because of all the hired bull, but even without being sure of ‘history’ it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened…. There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda…. My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights -- or very early mornings -- when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour... booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turnoff to take when I got to the other end... but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: no doubt at all about that. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning…. And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave…. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

-Hunter Stockton Thompson.


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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:34pm

"There is something to be said for thinking with one's penis.  The average penis will stand up for what it wants more often than the average man."  - Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family.



Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:42pm
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will not live my life for another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:43pm
Well Clark if it's high school reading material why is mine unanswered?


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 4:57pm

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Well Clark if it's high school reading material why is mine unanswered?

I zoomed right by yours.

I recognize it, but can't quite spot it.  It is also high school reading, though... ugh.

It'll come to me.

EDIT - not 1984, but that other one...



Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 5:14pm
That other one , who wrote it?


Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 5:29pm

O.K. I have a very easy one for you:

"Meaningless! Meaningless!
Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless."

"What does man gain from all his labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full...."

Remember, no search engines ( Although I doubt you will need one). I know its very easy but I like it.

Now I want to hear some from you Clark Kent.



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 5:43pm

Bible.  OT.  Prophets or Kings.

I would have to search to get more specific than that, though. 



Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 5:45pm

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

That other one , who wrote it?

One of the Huxleys, or one of the Wells.  Can't remember which.  And I am having total TOT on the title, too.  I hate when that happens.

I read this book years ago.  Breeding programs, different "types", etc.  One of the early "totalitarianism is evil" works.



Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Bible.  OT.  Prophets or Kings.... 



You are very warm.

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

That other one , who wrote it?

One of the Huxleys, or one of the Wells.  Can't remember which.  And I am having total TOT on the title, too.  I hate when that happens.

I read this book years ago.  Breeding programs, different "types", etc.  One of the early "totalitarianism is evil" works.



Brave New World?


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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 8:11pm
That's it.  Brave New World.


Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 8:14pm
Great book.

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:03am
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

That other one , who wrote it?

One of the Huxleys, or one of the Wells.  Can't remember which.  And I am having total TOT on the title, too.  I hate when that happens.

I read this book years ago.  Breeding programs, different "types", etc.  One of the early "totalitarianism is evil" works.

nvm brihard got it.

Alright how about this one,

Then nothingness was not, nor existence. There was no air then, nor heavens beyond it. Who covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping? Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

And for fun another, both are seperate though, and should be challenging

For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either. The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret. He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed



Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:58am

The first one is some Hindu or Buddhist text.  It's been ages since I read the veddas, so I couldn't tell you more than than.  But pretty sure it's Hindu.  I have a Hindu uncle that talks like that all the time.

I don't recognize the second one, but it sounds like something my man Hawking would say, except that Dr. H. most definitely does not talk like that.  So I am going to have to guess some long-ago European astronomer/philosopher.  But that's strictly a guess.

These are good ones, and this is fun.  I took at test a while back that had some problems that featured a text, and the question was "which of the following people most likely wrote the text?"

:)



Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:15pm
Correct the first is from the rig vedas, it's a creation hymn. The second one is a european philosopher named Blaise Pascal. Both were featured in the loading screens of Ace Combat Zero with high relevence to the game.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:17pm

Good old Pascal.  I guess I was pretty close, even though he didn't do astronomy (TMK).

Quick Pascal quiz:  Who knows what "Pascal's Wager" is?

 

EDIT - and a quote as well, to stick with the thread.  This is from a US government document.  Which one?  Shouldn't be too hard, but vaguely amusing in today's world.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."



Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:24pm

You mean Pascal's gambit? Basically stating that the gain of believing in god is greater than that of not believing in him? You know what Occams Razor is?



Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

You know what Occams Razor is?


Something like: Entities should not be multiplied beyond what is necessary.

When given 2 valid explanations for a phenomenon, one should "shave off" the most complicted formula and
embrace the less complicated one.

Clark: Isn't that from the Treaty of Tripoli???



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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:32pm
Right on. Simply put If all is equal then the simplist answer is usually the correct one.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:38pm
Correct on all counts.


Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:43pm

This is fun I'm trying to think of another.

Ok here we go

Anarchy wears two faces both creator and destroyer. Thus destroyers topple empires; make a canvas of clean rubble where creators can then build a better world. Rubble, once achieved makes further ruins' means irrelevant.



Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:47pm
"Always be reading stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it."

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:52pm
Here's one. Who can identify this poem, and who wrote it? I quite enjoy this one.

I've encountered it twice now in other works- the introduction to Jared Diamond's Collapse, and a few lines of it in Civilization 4.


I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said:—Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.


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-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:


Anarchy wears two faces both creator and destroyer. Thus destroyers topple empires; make a canvas of clean rubble where creators can then build a better world. Rubble, once achieved makes further ruins' means irrelevant.



That's from V for Vendetta (the novel... i don't think it was in the movie)

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 12:59pm

Good job xeno. It wasn't in the movie. The movie had nothing to do with Anarchy, it was about the freedom fighter terrorist debate it really bothered me. V isn't a freedom fighter or a terrorist he's an Anarchist, More specifically an anarchist destroyer which is why he allows himself to be killed, becuase after destroying all he can there is no more use for him.

Alright here's a harder one hopefully. Although many of you have been ripping through them

In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them. I make it impossible for them to ever hurt me again. I grind them and grind them until they don't exist.

 



Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by XenoSabre XenoSabre wrote:

Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:


Anarchy wears two faces both creator and destroyer. Thus destroyers topple empires; make a canvas of clean rubble where creators can then build a better world. Rubble, once achieved makes further ruins' means irrelevant.



That's from V for Vendetta (the novel... i don't think it was in the movie)


Hey, you're right. I just found it- first panel, page 248.

Awesome book...


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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

Yup, he actually said that.


Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them. I make it impossible for them to ever hurt me again. I grind them and grind them until they don't exist.


Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card...

I have no life.
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Hey, you're right. I just found it- first panel, page 248.Awesome book...


yeah, If I remember correctly its when V dies and leaves the shadow gallery to Evey.

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 1:16pm

Good job again Xeno you're kicking ass. Both those books are awesome.

Video games are a waste of time for men with nothing else to do. Real brains don't do that. On occasion? Sure. As relaxation? Great. But not full time— And a lot of people are doing that. And while they're doing that, I'll go ahead and write another novel. 

Found that one humorous



Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 1:31pm
Razgriz Ghost- Bradbury?

If so:
Originally posted by wrote:

]All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.


Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 2:29pm
These are all great quotes. See if anyone can guess this one, it should be pretty easy;

" The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong..."

And you have to guess the author as well.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 2:38pm

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:



" The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong..."

...nor bread to the wise, nor wealth to the brilliant...

Ecclesiastes.

Back in my world.   ;)



Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 2:57pm
okayokay:
"FLAVOR FLAAAV!"

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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:



" The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong..."

...nor bread to the wise, nor wealth to the brilliant...

Ecclesiastes.

Back in my world.   ;)



Ah yes, but who is the author? ;)

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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by -ProDigY- -ProDigY- wrote:

okayokay:
"FLAVOR FLAAAV!"


William Jonathan Drayton Jr

One of the founders of Public Enemy


Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 5:49pm
Here is another;

" Do all the good you can,
By all the means you can,
In all the ways you can,
In all the places you can,
At all the times you can,
To all the people you can,
As long as ever you can. "


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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 6:20pm
As long as were discussing the Razors, who can name me Hanlon's Razor?

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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

As long as were discussing the Razors, who can name me Hanlon's Razor?
:D I cheated, so I won't.


Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:14pm

Hanlons Razor basically states that people may be doing damaging things out of ignorance rather than intently.

Another great Razor 

In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.



Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:45pm
"There will never be a really free and enlightened State, until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly."


Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by Hairball!!! Hairball!!! wrote:

"There will never be a really free and enlightened State, until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly."


Marx? Or some other stupid socialist?


Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

Originally posted by Hairball!!! Hairball!!! wrote:

"There will never be a really free and enlightened State, until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly."


Marx? Or some other stupid socialist?


Quite the opposite.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 11:34pm
Enlightenment FTW.


Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 10:43am
Ahh, Clark, have I finally stumped you.

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Posted By: XenoSabre
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 11:10am
Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

Here is another;" Do all the good you can, By all the means you can, In all the ways you can, In all the places you can, At all the times you can, To all the people you can, As long as ever you can. "


John Wesley

Some of my favorites.

"Blood alone moves the wheels of history."

and

"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 11:24am

Correct.
Now lets try a more obvious one,
Concerning the Christian Religion this person said;

" Deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support. "



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 11:39am

I was in fact stumped by the Wesley quote.  Didn't recognize it at all.  Have now read more about Wesley.

But your Jefferson quote above is mischaracterized.

A more complete quote is:  "Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that...of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support "

 



Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 12:53pm
Yes, that is the entire quote, and it is still a good one. I didn't mean to mischaracterize the quote, I just thought that if I used the entire quote it whould have been even more obvious that it already was.

I hope you know who this one is, he is by far my favorite person to quote;

" Let our object be - our country, our whole country, and nothing but our country. And by the blessing of God, may that country itself become a vast and splendid monument - not of oppression and terror, but of Wisdom, of Peace, and of Liberty, upon which the world may gaze with admiration forever. "

I am guessing that you probably know that one, since your memory concerning all these past quotes is far better than mine. I just wanted to post it because it definately ranks among my most favord quotes.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 1:41pm

That quote sounds very familiar, but I can't place it.

My point with the Jefferson quote was that you said he was talking about Christianity.  That quote is from a correspondence debate he was having with the Bishop of ...ugh about the place of religion in the state.  Jefferson as always was taking the position that freedom of religion - specifically as opposed to a single religion - was to be a foundation of the new country.



Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 2:42pm
Yes I said he was talking about christianity, to me that is how it seems becuase when people of that day and age refered to religion, they were more often than not refering to christianity simply becuase christianity was almost ( remember I said almost ) the only religion in America at that time.

But none of that matters, it is an excellent quote either way about the freedom and role of religion in America.

On another note, I know you know who said my above quote, I will give you a hint, he wasn't a founding father.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 3:00pm

Not a founder?  I was leaning towards Franklin, but I guess not.

Hmm.  It feels too "old" to be Roosevelt or Kennedy, and not stilted enough to be Lincoln.



Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 3:05pm
An easy one...



War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.


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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Not a founder?  I was leaning towards Franklin, but I guess not.

Hmm.  It feels too "old" to be Roosevelt or Kennedy, and not stilted enough to be Lincoln.



You are getting close, it was at the commemoration of a monument for a Revolutionary War Battle, which battle that is I will not say.

Brihard, I know I have heard that quote somwhere, I know it but I will have to think about it for awhile. 

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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Another great Razor 

In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.


Hurrah, the Dilbert Principle!





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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

An easy one...



War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.


Ok, is doesn't seem like it is from more than thiry or forty years ago, and I don't think it is from a politician, ( although whoever it is, I like it.)

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