What kind of car should I get?
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Topic: What kind of car should I get?
Posted By: junojpeg
Subject: What kind of car should I get?
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:51pm
Hey you guys, I am stuck in a rut, even after the Jack in the Box guy told me about his new breakfast. I don't know what kind of car to get. I am looking for a nice affordable sports car(Under $20,000), and I don't have any good ideas. So can you guys please give me some ideas on what kind of cool cars there are out there?
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:52pm
new or used?
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:54pm
How old are you?
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Posted By: junojpeg
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:56pm
I am 16, and I am looking for new or used
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:56pm
Yugo
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Posted By: easy123
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:57pm
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whoa 16? What are you doing looking for a sports car. Insurance is going to have its way with you
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:58pm
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Santa Chewp wrote:
Yugo |

Sporty.
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 8:59pm
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Yeah man u should bring some lube with you cause im sure its gonna hurt.
But with that said maybe a rx7 or newer talon may be alright. Still insurance is gonna have there way with you.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:02pm
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For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something.
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:04pm
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. |
that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:06pm
junojpeg wrote:
I am 16, and I am looking for new or used
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Heh.
You are 16. 1) You should stay far away from sports cars and 2) Drop that price by about half.
Look for a nice used sedan or small pickup.
Buy used, and buy cheap. It is your first car, it is going to take some damage. It is going to get roughed up. It will also keep insurance down.
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:08pm
Look at used Toyotas. Affordable, and very reliable.
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Posted By: Savage93fvss
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:25pm
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Yea, I have a 1994 Toyota Tacoma, 4cyl, 4x4, 4inches of lift and 33's, It was 3500 bucks and it runs great, IMO, off road is funner than going a hundred mph and alot safer too.
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:29pm
u can get a 2002-2003 acura tl for 16-18 with around 60k miles thats what i want after the lease on my titan is over
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Posted By: barn_user
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:50pm
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Find yourself a nice earlier model toyota for dirt cheap with 4X4 and a stick shift. Lots of fun to be had and pretty much go with what savage said.
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:52pm
if youre looking for a car, stay away from sports cars unless your parents are paying for stuff. If that's the case, I would definitely check out a 2000ish Firebird WS-6. My friend has one, it's rediculous.
If you'd like to step back to reality, something sporty, quick, and affordable, gas wise too, a VW GTI, or maybe a Jetta turbo
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:53pm
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6 cyl. Mustang. Looks good, upgradable, affordable and insurance won't butt rape you.
Sorry to counter everything the Euro-weenies are saying ( ), but I've been reading that VW, BMW, and Mercedes' quality is plummeting. The motors may be peppy, but they are falling apart piece by piece. Just a bit of warning...
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:54pm
pontiac sunfire ftw
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:56pm
Santa Chewp wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. | that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k. |
Hardly, when i say used I mean like a 2005 with low miles, Hondas will run forever.
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 9:58pm
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all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:00pm
Police auctions FTW. I got my 6-spd Z28 w/ ALL of it's performance modifications for less than 5k.
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:01pm
thats like buyin a rental car, they beat the crap out of them..
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:04pm
Used Pontiac Grand Am or used Pontiac Grand Prix
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:22pm
DsXz wrote:
thats like buyin a rental car, they beat the crap out of them.. |
He's speaking of seized assets that they auction off, not used police cruisers.
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Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:24pm
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But a used police cruiser would also be a fun choice....
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Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 10:25pm
any kind of subaru(spelling?) or scion
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Posted By: Farcry0092
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 11:18pm
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scion tc. i want one
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 11:20pm
NotDaveEllis wrote:
Santa Chewp wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. | that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k. |
Hardly, when i say used I mean like a 2005 with low miles, Hondas will run forever. |
I'm not thinking of newish. I guess I'm still thinking of cars that a typical 16 year old would drive. I'd take toyota over honda hands down anytime.
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 07 December 2006 at 11:30pm
Buy a sub 5,000 dollar car and spend your money somewhere else. 16 year olds with sports cars is a bad idea
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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 1:01am
Predatorr wrote:
if youre looking for a car, stay away from sports cars unless your parents are paying for stuff. If that's the case, I would definitely check out a 2000ish Firebird WS-6. My friend has one, it's rediculous.
If you'd like to step back to reality, something sporty, quick, and affordable, gas wise too, a VW GTI, or maybe a Jetta turbo
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how long have ive been saying that T/A's are the way to go we got a 97 with only 40,000 miles on it. for 12k Except the fact you are 16 means insurance will rape you in the butt. The best thing to do if you still want to get one put it under your parents name. and dont get in an accident. And finally if you do get one those things it will kill you. Example dont go around a corner in first and floor it with bad tires.
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Posted By: paintballinbill
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 1:28am
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a 2000 Trans-Am WS6???!!!! and a 16 year old??!!! are you serious? do you think a new driver needs 350hp, and an endless supply of torque? i mean, you might as well forget the lube, because he's gonna get REAMED on insurance, even without any traffic infractions....
i have had a 1994 acura integra for 2 years now, i've put 30k on the odometer, and have had NO problems with it. still runs like a champ, and every now and then, when i get happy with the gas pedal, it takes all the abuse, and looks back at me for more.
my advice: get a used japanese beater (honda, toyota, etc). something cheap, reliable, and efficient, that you can hop in, drive wherever you need to go, and only have to worry about changing the oil every 3 months.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 1:34am
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I <3 my Buick!
^^^ Obligatory Buick post in car thread.
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Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 3:41am
88 Ford Taurus.
Cheap on Insurance and when you wreck it 3 weeks/months after you start driving....you will still have $19,500 out of that $20k you started with to buy a nice car.
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 6:37am
DsXz wrote:
all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates | What are you kidding? VW's and Audi's are amazing. And my mom hasn't had a single problem with her Mercedes so it can't be that bad. If you want a decently quick car, check out a GTi. You can get a regular GTi, or a special 337(1,500 made) or 20th Anniversary Edition GTi(What I have, only 4000 made) with the Recaro interior package, .:R 6 speed transmission, R32 body kit, spoiler and wheels and the same 1.8T engine that's in GTi's and GLi's. The only difference in the 337(2002) and the 20thAE(2003) is the 20th AE has a sunroof.
I would avoid the MK5 GTi's and GLi's, because even with their 2.0T engines they are bigger, heavier, let the engine sounds in and from a direct compairison seem a bit slower as the MK4 GTi's.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 6:59am
NotDaveEllis wrote:
Santa Chewp wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. | that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k. |
Hardly, when i say used I mean like a 2005 with low miles, Hondas will run forever. | I lol'd
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Posted By: Capt.Jonesy
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 10:07am
Go to a magazine rack, pickup the 2007 consumer reports car buyers guide! they rate everything from performance, reliablity, efficeincy, and give you cost estimates / NOT THE STICKER.
I never buy a new car without checking consumer reports.
Im sure you could find the same for used cars somewhere, but I don't know where.
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 10:56am
battlefreak wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
Santa Chewp wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. | that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k. |
Hardly, when i say used I mean like a 2005 with low miles, Hondas will run forever. | I lol'd |
You're also a moran, hence your opinion doesn't matter
Move along.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 1:00pm
NotDaveEllis wrote:
battlefreak wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
Santa Chewp wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. | that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k. |
Hardly, when i say used I mean like a 2005 with low miles, Hondas will run forever. | I lol'd |
You're also a moran, hence your opinion doesn't matter
Move along. | wow great argument...
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 1:47pm
battlefreak wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
battlefreak wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
Santa Chewp wrote:
NotDaveEllis wrote:
For 20k you can get a nice used Civic or something. | that would be a ripoff and a half. You could get a car in that range for way less than that. Our tercel was like, 5k. |
Hardly, when i say used I mean like a 2005 with low miles, Hondas will run forever. | I lol'd |
You're also a moran, hence your opinion doesn't matter
Move along. | wow great argument... |
Well, I matched the strength of your arguement.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 2:57pm
Pimp it like me, in a Grand Marquis.
Luxury cars > sports cars.
What people don't realize is that my "Grandpa car" has a nice, big V8 and can blow a lot of "sportier" cars doors off.
It also rides way better than a sportscar, has a big backseat ( ), and can take some abuse in an accident.
Overall, Grand Marquis are pretty good cars for a beginning driver as well as someone who just wants to be comfortable.
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 4:11pm
I love my explorer. It's not too great with gas mileage, but I still love it.
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 4:27pm
Saturns are cheap, low insurance, and decent mileage, and from my
experience reliable. The only problem is it's plastic, but it's
good for a first car...
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 5:16pm
ekeboo wrote:
Predatorr wrote:
if youre looking for a car, stay away from sports cars unless your parents are paying for stuff. If that's the case, I would definitely check out a 2000ish Firebird WS-6. My friend has one, it's rediculous.
If you'd like to step back to reality, something sporty, quick, and affordable, gas wise too, a VW GTI, or maybe a Jetta turbo
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how long have ive been saying that T/A's are the way to go we got a 97 with only 40,000 miles on it. for 12k Except the fact you are 16 means insurance will rape you in the butt. The best thing to do if you still want to get one put it under your parents name. and dont get in an accident. And finally if you do get one those things it will kill you. Example dont go around a corner in first and floor it with bad tires.
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this is where maturity falls into place. The kid I drive the WS-6 with is a very safe driver and doesn't go over the speed limit. We have a place where we can drive legally, a drag strip nearby. We get our kicks there. As long as a driver is mature, and knows what hes doing, there's no reason why he shouldn't have a sports car, other than the insurance rapage.
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Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 6:05pm
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Posted By: f3lix
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 6:38pm
Mustang o6' baby!!!!!
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Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 7:47pm
Get a Saab. Apparantly they go for about a http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070928/?GT1=8816 - million miles before giving up.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 7:52pm
Jack Carver wrote:
Get a Saab. Apparantly they go for about a http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070928/?GT1=8816 - million miles before giving up.
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 11:20pm
i live like 45 minutes from hartford lol ^^
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 10:50am
I forgot to add something about the Grand Marquis.
Mine gets about 25 highway miles per gallon, and it's from '95. That's pretty comparable to a lot of compact cars, but you get the benefit of riding in comfort.
Just try to find some old guy selling his car. Old men tend to take very good care of their vehicles, and also tend to sell used cars cheaper. I got mine from some old dude for $2100, and it blue-booked for $3500.
High mileage cars are fine if properly maintained.
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 12:23pm
Apu wrote:
DsXz wrote:
all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates | What are you kidding? VW's and Audi's are amazing. And my mom hasn't had a single problem with her Mercedes so it can't be that bad. If you want a decently quick car, check out a GTi. You can get a regular GTi, or a special 337(1,500 made) or 20th Anniversary Edition GTi(What I have, only 4000 made) with the Recaro interior package, .:R 6 speed transmission, R32 body kit, spoiler and wheels and the same 1.8T engine that's in GTi's and GLi's. The only difference in the 337(2002) and the 20thAE(2003) is the 20th AE has a sunroof.
I would avoid the MK5 GTi's and GLi's, because even with their 2.0T engines they are bigger, heavier, let the engine sounds in and from a direct compairison seem a bit slower as the MK4 GTi's.
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my dad has had a 4.2 quattro and a 740il and both had plenty of problems that the dealer couldnt fix, the guy i work with was a service writer for mercedes and he says theyre crap and have nothin but problems. along with what i read in mags. so all 3 of those tell me that germans cars = crap. But your moms flawlessly working mercedes completely negates everything ive just said, so whyd i bother posting. 
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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 2:38pm
f3lix wrote:
Mustang o6' baby!!!!! |
how do you spell P.O.S. Rustangs are overrated.
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Posted By: easy123
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 2:41pm
ekeboo wrote:
f3lix wrote:
Mustang o6' baby!!!!! | how do you spell P.O.S. Rustangs are overrated. |
word. Dont buy a new mustang unless you want to take a record setting depreciation kick to the package.
edit: or are 16.
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 2:50pm
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Scion TC with a manual transmission you can get the turbo from TRD and that makes it pretty nice ride.
Try an '06 Mustang GT. I dont know where you work but ask about "X" pricing if you look at any Ford, its usually 1K less than invoice.
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Posted By: Savage93fvss
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 6:06pm
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Cedric wrote:
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You mean exploder?
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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 11:19pm
ekeboo wrote:
Predatorr wrote:
if youre looking for a car, stay away from sports cars unless your parents are paying for stuff. If that's the case, I would definitely check out a 2000ish Firebird WS-6. My friend has one, it's rediculous. If you'd like to step back to reality, something sporty, quick, and affordable, gas wise too, a VW GTI, or maybe a Jetta turbo
| how long have ive been saying that T/A's are the way to go we got a 97 with only 40,000 miles on it. for 12k Except the fact you are 16 means insurance will rape you in the butt. The best thing to do if you still want to get one put it under your parents name. and dont get in an accident. And finally if you do get one those things it <font size="7">will kill you. Example dont go around a corner in first and floor it with bad tires. |
smashing the gas around a corner in just about anything will send you sliding off the road. it was just too bad i had find it out the hard way.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 09 December 2006 at 11:21pm
That one from back to the future is really really cool.
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Posted By: BearClaw
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 3:11am
I dont even know why i bother posting in car threads anymore.
I keep sayin it but nobody lissens. I dont give a damn were a
cars built they all break and they all have good and bad points.
Im a mehcanic for a living and i can make my money with steady work no
matter what dealer i go to work for. They all need to be
maintained.
I drive right now a 96 Ford Ranger 4x4 and a 04 VW Jetta TDI as well as a yamaha Motorcycle.
Prviously iv owned:
1986 VW Golf Diesel
1994 Ford F250 Turbo Diesel
1999 Ford Ranger 2wd
1977 Dodge Tradsmann 200
1988 Dodge Shadow
And guess what NOT A SIGLE one of those (with the exception of the F250
when i blew the trans due to my mods) ever left me stranded.
If you take care of a car it will take car of you PERIOD.
I also maintain all my familys vehicals and even had my own buisness on
the side outa my garage while during the day i fix Heavy Truck .
In total i have worked and driven ALOT of vehicals and they all served
their purposes. I LOVE my VW TDI it works great for me 1000km to
a $40 tank of Diesel now problems thus far and a fun little scoot. My
ranger has been awsome and has done everything i ask of it but its soon
getting sold to get another bike 
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 3:24am
We've also been over this MANY times Bearclaw where some cars simply ARE more reliable than others. Say all you want that they're exactly the same off the line...no, they arent.
And I know I've used this as an example countless times before. We have a 1982 Corolla at my house, every single piece is stock and it still runs perfectly. It's engine runs better than most of my friends cars, which are from early 90's. I've got a couple friends with old toyotas that have been to hell and back with no problem, while others are dying for no reason.
Sure, Toyotas will have the random mess up too and a car will die, like with any product, any company. Just like how ford may have a car/ truck that simply wont die. The fact of the matter is, not all cars are equally reliable, not even close.
Have a look at 2006/ 2007's most reliable cars: http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_most_reliable/index.html?section=cnn_topstories - http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_most_reliable/index.h tml?section=cnn_topstories
Best predicted reliability:
(As calculated by Consumer Reports)
Small cars:
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/echo/index.html - Toyota Echo
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/index.html - Honda Civic (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/prius/index.html - Toyota Prius
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/index.html - Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/corolla/index.html - Toyota Corolla
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/impreza/index.html - Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)
Sporty cars/Convertibles Coupes
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/s2000/index.html - Honda S2000
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/mazda/mazdaspeedmx5miata/index.html - Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/sc430/index.html - Lexus SC430
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/chevrolet/montecarlo/index.html - Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)
Sedans
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/gs300/index.html - Lexus GS300 / http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/gs430/index.html - GS430 *
I http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/infiniti/m35/index.html - nfiniti M35 / http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/infiniti/m45/index.html - M45 *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/lexus/is300/index.html - Lexus IS300 (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/accord/index.html - Honda Accord Hybrid *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/camry/index.html - Toyota Camry
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/accord/index.html - Honda Accord 4-cyl.
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/ls430/index.html - Lexus LS430
Wagons
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/index.html - Toyota Matrix
Small SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/rav4/index.html - Toyota Rav4 (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/crv/index.html - Honda CR-V
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/element/index.html - Honda Element
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/forester/index.html - Subaru Forester
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/mercury/mariner/index.html - Mercury Mariner *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/mitsubishi/outlander/index.html - Mitsubishi Outlander
Mid-sized SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/rx400h/index.html - Lexus RX400h (hybrid)*
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/highlander/index.html - Toyota Highlander
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/4runner/index.html - Toyota 4Runner (V-8)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/infiniti/fx35/index.html - Infiniti FX35
Large SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/landcruiser/index.html - Toyota Land Cruiser
Pick-up trucks
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/ridgeline/index.html - Honda Ridgeline *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/tundra/index.html - Toyota Tundra
Saying that all cars are equal in reliability is far from the truth.
oh, and notice not a single ford on that list? 
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Posted By: BearClaw
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 9:41am
IM not saying all cars are equal im saying all companies are
eqaul. I dont give a dang who builds it they all gona have a
lemon and others that seem bullet proof.
I been working on cars truck you name it WAY tooo long to still belive
that one contenet builds a better car than the other. They alll
got the good as welll as the bad.
The thing is alll cars are built to have a service life NOBODY builds a
car thats factory designed to run forever they all break. Can we
keep em on the road for ever its arguable but by the time of its
service life you will have rebuilt the car. Even Heavy trucks with
2million mile service lifes break and their built ten times better than
any car on the road. The point is all cars are built with moveing
parts and moveing parts wear no matter what country its from.
Shure some are built with less load on certin parts so that they wear
slower but this is not company or hell even country specific.
As i said many times befor you all can buy into whatever you like but
at the end of the day im never gona be outa work regardless what ya
choose.
And again why would i care what cars are on a list. I think im
quite capable of picking out a vehical myself that suites my
needs. I have yet to be bitten in the but with any of my choices
thuse far. Id have no problem takeing any of my vehicals
across country right now and i KNOW id beable to return problem free
(with the exception of my BIKE) its a little too cold to ride right now
and my tires SUCK in snow .
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Posted By: little devil
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 9:57am
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BearClaw wrote:
As i said many times befor you all can buy into whatever you like but at the end of the day im never gona be outa work regardless what ya choose.
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i laughed really loud when i read that one, im sure the people around me think im a weirdo right now. but hey u speak the truth
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 10:50am
White o Light wrote:
That one from back to the future is really really cool.
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 12:04pm
DsXz wrote:
Apu wrote:
DsXz wrote:
all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates | What are you kidding? VW's and Audi's are amazing. And my mom hasn't had a single problem with her Mercedes so it can't be that bad. If you want a decently quick car, check out a GTi. You can get a regular GTi, or a special 337(1,500 made) or 20th Anniversary Edition GTi(What I have, only 4000 made) with the Recaro interior package, .:R 6 speed transmission, R32 body kit, spoiler and wheels and the same 1.8T engine that's in GTi's and GLi's. The only difference in the 337(2002) and the 20thAE(2003) is the 20th AE has a sunroof.
I would avoid the MK5 GTi's and GLi's, because even with their 2.0T engines they are bigger, heavier, let the engine sounds in and from a direct compairison seem a bit slower as the MK4 GTi's.
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my dad has had a 4.2 quattro and a 740il and both had plenty of problems that the dealer couldnt fix, the guy i work with was a service writer for mercedes and he says theyre crap and have nothin but problems. along with what i read in mags. so all 3 of those tell me that germans cars = crap. But your moms flawlessly working mercedes completely negates everything ive just said, so whyd i bother posting.  |
Audi and reliability? lol And that 740il was made anywhere from 96-01? We are almost in 07. Any car that old is going to have some problems/.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 1:09pm
Sammy wrote:
DsXz wrote:
Apu wrote:
DsXz wrote:
all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates | What are you kidding? VW's and Audi's are amazing. And my mom hasn't had a single problem with her Mercedes so it can't be that bad. If you want a decently quick car, check out a GTi. You can get a regular GTi, or a special 337(1,500 made) or 20th Anniversary Edition GTi(What I have, only 4000 made) with the Recaro interior package, .:R 6 speed transmission, R32 body kit, spoiler and wheels and the same 1.8T engine that's in GTi's and GLi's. The only difference in the 337(2002) and the 20thAE(2003) is the 20th AE has a sunroof.I would avoid the MK5 GTi's and GLi's, because even with their 2.0T engines they are bigger, heavier, let the engine sounds in and from a direct compairison seem a bit slower as the MK4 GTi's. | my dad has had a 4.2 quattro and a 740il and both had plenty of problems that the dealer couldnt fix, the guy i work with was a service writer for mercedes and he says theyre crap and have nothin but problems. along with what i read in mags. so all 3 of those tell me that germans cars = crap. But your moms flawlessly working mercedes completely negates everything ive just said, so whyd i bother posting.  | Audi and reliability? lolAnd that 740il was made anywhere from 96-01? We are almost in 07. Any car that old is going to have some problems/. | are you saying when a car is 7 to 10 years old its automatically going to have a bunch of problems? Especialy considering that my 1980 ford f-100 stepside is still running strong after 315k miles.
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Posted By: Linus
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 1:18pm
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I have an 07 Chevy Cobalt.. insurance is cheap (then again, still under parents) And car is only like $16,000
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 2:10pm
DeTrevni wrote:
6 cyl. Mustang. Looks good, upgradable, affordable and insurance won't butt rape you.
Sorry to counter everything the Euro-weenies are saying ( ), but I've been reading that VW, BMW, and Mercedes' quality is plummeting. The motors may be peppy, but they are falling apart piece by piece. Just a bit of warning...
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Needs racing stripes and exhaust.
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Posted By: White o Light
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 2:11pm
battlefreak wrote:
White o Light wrote:
That one from back to the future is really really cool.
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Yeah get that one.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 2:18pm
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ekeboo wrote:
f3lix wrote:
Mustang o6' baby!!!!! |
how do you spell P.O.S. Rustangs are overrated.
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Oh, and you just know that everyone loves and would take an 88 P.O.S. smelly asian honda over a new Mustang any day.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 2:49pm
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Or you could get a nice Buick Grand National.
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 3:32pm
BearClaw wrote:
IM not saying all cars are equal im saying all companies are
eqaul. I dont give a dang who builds it they all gona have a
lemon and others that seem bullet proof.
I been working on cars truck you name it WAY tooo long to still belive
that one contenet builds a better car than the other. They alll
got the good as welll as the bad.
The thing is alll cars are built to have a service life NOBODY builds a
car thats factory designed to run forever they all break. Can we
keep em on the road for ever its arguable but by the time of its
service life you will have rebuilt the car. Even Heavy trucks with
2million mile service lifes break and their built ten times better than
any car on the road. The point is all cars are built with moveing
parts and moveing parts wear no matter what country its from.
Shure some are built with less load on certin parts so that they wear
slower but this is not company or hell even country specific.
As i said many times befor you all can buy into whatever you like but
at the end of the day im never gona be outa work regardless what ya
choose.
And again why would i care what cars are on a list. I think im
quite capable of picking out a vehical myself that suites my
needs. I have yet to be bitten in the but with any of my choices
thuse far. Id have no problem takeing any of my vehicals
across country right now and i KNOW id beable to return problem free
(with the exception of my BIKE) its a little too cold to ride right now
and my tires SUCK in snow .
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Its not the continent that affects reliability, its the companies that are based there. You can deny it all you want, but most companies that are high up in terms of reliability are asian.
Toyota = japanese Honda = japanese Mitsubishi = japanese Subaru = japanese Lexus = toyota = japanese
Of course, not ALL cars that are known for their reliability are asian, like most companies, there will be a product that is just good quality from a north american company too.
However, the issue is not whether or not a company has a fluke number of repairs, or cars that are more reliable, it's about consistancy. The fact of the matter is, some companies are more consistant in terms of reliability than others.
The fact of the matter is that the ratio is vastly in favour of some companies over others. You said that all companies are equal, and that is just plain wrong, you can look it up anywhere, and the statistics simply prove it.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 3:39pm
Well, Toyota has some designs licensed out to GM and vice-versa. The Pontiac Vibe is the EXACT same thing as the Toyota Matrix. I heard if you look somewhere in the wheel-well, it even hast the Toyota emblem on there. It uses the same motor as well.
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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 4:02pm
DeTrevni wrote:
Well, Toyota has some designs licensed out to GM and vice-versa. The Pontiac Vibe is the EXACT same thing as the Toyota Matrix. I heard if you look somewhere in the wheel-well, it even hast the Toyota emblem on there. It uses the same motor as well. |
Again, all companies will have lemons and cars that simply wont die. The matter is consistancy.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 5:38pm
Sammy wrote:
Audi and reliability? lolAnd that 740il was made anywhere from 96-01? We are almost in 07. Any car that old is going to have some problems/. |
That's just not true...
When I bought my '95 Grand Marquis (a Ford product by the way) earlier this year it had about 165k miles on it, but was still in almost new condition. The only problems almost a year later are one small rust spot on the fender and a small hole in the muffler. The hole in the muffler actually makes it sound somewhat like an old-school muscle car though, so it's kind of cool.
I agree with Bearclaw that when properly maintained and not abused (going 50 down dirt roads, mudding, etc.) any car can last quite a while.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 5:49pm
Bunkered wrote:
Sammy wrote:
Audi and reliability? lolAnd that 740il was made anywhere from 96-01? We are almost in 07. Any car that old is going to have some problems/. |
That's just not true...
When I bought my '95 Grand Marquis (a Ford product by the way) earlier this year it had about 165k miles on it, but was still in almost new condition. The only problems almost a year later are one small rust spot on the fender and a small hole in the muffler. The hole in the muffler actually makes it sound somewhat like an old-school muscle car though, so it's kind of cool.
I agree with Bearclaw that when properly maintained and not abused (going 50 down dirt roads, mudding, etc.) any car can last quite a while.
| yea just like I said 10 years old isnt old for alot of cars my 1980 ford f-100 stepside is still running strong with 315k miles under its belt.
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Posted By: BearClaw
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 8:50pm
Chewp i dont have to beleive deny anything a car come in broke i fix it.
I dont care what anyone says but to say one company is better than the
next in todays world is plain ignorance. ITS WAY TOO BROAD a
generilization.
But no matter what i say it aint gona get through to you so i'll simply
shut up and continue fixing what ever comes through the
door. I have no biased unlike some.
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Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 9:06pm
battlefreak wrote:
Sammy wrote:
DsXz wrote:
Apu wrote:
DsXz wrote:
all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates | What are you kidding? VW's and Audi's are amazing. And my mom hasn't had a single problem with her Mercedes so it can't be that bad. If you want a decently quick car, check out a GTi. You can get a regular GTi, or a special 337(1,500 made) or 20th Anniversary Edition GTi(What I have, only 4000 made) with the Recaro interior package, .:R 6 speed transmission, R32 body kit, spoiler and wheels and the same 1.8T engine that's in GTi's and GLi's. The only difference in the 337(2002) and the 20thAE(2003) is the 20th AE has a sunroof.I would avoid the MK5 GTi's and GLi's, because even with their 2.0T engines they are bigger, heavier, let the engine sounds in and from a direct compairison seem a bit slower as the MK4 GTi's. | my dad has had a 4.2 quattro and a 740il and both had plenty of problems that the dealer couldnt fix, the guy i work with was a service writer for mercedes and he says theyre crap and have nothin but problems. along with what i read in mags. so all 3 of those tell me that germans cars = crap. But your moms flawlessly working mercedes completely negates everything ive just said, so whyd i bother posting.  | Audi and reliability? lolAnd that 740il was made anywhere from 96-01? We are almost in 07. Any car that old is going to have some problems/. | are you saying when a car is 7 to 10 years old its automatically going to have a bunch of problems? Especialy considering that my 1980 ford f-100 stepside is still running strong after 315k miles. |
don't be an idiot. Everything is case sensitive, and things break down over the years. Key components need to be replaced, and driving habits need to be taken into account. I know this from both personal experience and from being an auto tech student. Things need to be replaced, but an overall car can go for a few hundred thousand miles if properly maintained. Your f 100 stepside is a case of either luck, or care care, whichever it is, good job.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 12:28pm
My dad also has an '88 Chevy pickup with over 300k miles on it. It's no longer in amazing shape, but it still runs fine.
Even my old Plymouth Colt had over 210k miles on it when I sold it, still running strong. And that was a little 4-banger that I beat the piss out of the first 6 months or so I had my license.
Brakes, ignition cables, etc. don't count as problems in my book. That's just regular maintenance for an older vehicle.
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Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 8:27pm
Santa Chewp wrote:
We've also been over this MANY times Bearclaw where some cars simply ARE more reliable than others. Say all you want that they're exactly the same off the line...no, they arent.
And I know I've used this as an example countless times before. We have a 1982 Corolla at my house, every single piece is stock and it still runs perfectly. It's engine runs better than most of my friends cars, which are from early 90's. I've got a couple friends with old toyotas that have been to hell and back with no problem, while others are dying for no reason.
Sure, Toyotas will have the random mess up too and a car will die, like with any product, any company. Just like how ford may have a car/ truck that simply wont die. The fact of the matter is, not all cars are equally reliable, not even close.
Have a look at 2006/ 2007's most reliable cars: http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_most_reliable/index.html?section=cnn_topstories - http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_most_reliable/index.h tml?section=cnn_topstories
Best predicted reliability:
(As calculated by Consumer Reports)
Small cars:
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/echo/index.html - Toyota Echo
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/index.html - Honda Civic (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/prius/index.html - Toyota Prius
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/index.html - Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/corolla/index.html - Toyota Corolla
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/impreza/index.html - Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)
Sporty cars/Convertibles Coupes
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/s2000/index.html - Honda S2000
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/mazda/mazdaspeedmx5miata/index.html - Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/sc430/index.html - Lexus SC430
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/chevrolet/montecarlo/index.html - Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)
Sedans
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/gs300/index.html - Lexus GS300 / http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/gs430/index.html - GS430 *
I http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/infiniti/m35/index.html - nfiniti M35 / http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/infiniti/m45/index.html - M45 *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/lexus/is300/index.html - Lexus IS300 (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/accord/index.html - Honda Accord Hybrid *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/camry/index.html - Toyota Camry
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/accord/index.html - Honda Accord 4-cyl.
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/ls430/index.html - Lexus LS430
Wagons
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/index.html - Toyota Matrix
Small SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/rav4/index.html - Toyota Rav4 (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/crv/index.html - Honda CR-V
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/element/index.html - Honda Element
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/forester/index.html - Subaru Forester
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/mercury/mariner/index.html - Mercury Mariner *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/mitsubishi/outlander/index.html - Mitsubishi Outlander
Mid-sized SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/rx400h/index.html - Lexus RX400h (hybrid)*
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/highlander/index.html - Toyota Highlander
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/4runner/index.html - Toyota 4Runner (V-8)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/infiniti/fx35/index.html - Infiniti FX35
Large SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/landcruiser/index.html - Toyota Land Cruiser
Pick-up trucks
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/ridgeline/index.html - Honda Ridgeline *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/tundra/index.html - Toyota Tundra
Saying that all cars are equal in reliability is far from the truth.
oh, and notice not a single ford on that list? 
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 8:43pm
Predatorr wrote:
battlefreak wrote:
Sammy wrote:
DsXz wrote:
Apu wrote:
DsXz wrote:
all the german cars have horrid reliability, mercedes was rated under hyundai for reliability recently by jd power n accociates | What are you kidding? VW's and Audi's are amazing. And my mom hasn't had a single problem with her Mercedes so it can't be that bad. If you want a decently quick car, check out a GTi. You can get a regular GTi, or a special 337(1,500 made) or 20th Anniversary Edition GTi(What I have, only 4000 made) with the Recaro interior package, .:R 6 speed transmission, R32 body kit, spoiler and wheels and the same 1.8T engine that's in GTi's and GLi's. The only difference in the 337(2002) and the 20thAE(2003) is the 20th AE has a sunroof.I would avoid the MK5 GTi's and GLi's, because even with their 2.0T engines they are bigger, heavier, let the engine sounds in and from a direct compairison seem a bit slower as the MK4 GTi's. | my dad has had a 4.2 quattro and a 740il and both had plenty of problems that the dealer couldnt fix, the guy i work with was a service writer for mercedes and he says theyre crap and have nothin but problems. along with what i read in mags. so all 3 of those tell me that germans cars = crap. But your moms flawlessly working mercedes completely negates everything ive just said, so whyd i bother posting.  | Audi and reliability? lolAnd that 740il was made anywhere from 96-01? We are almost in 07. Any car that old is going to have some problems/. | are you saying when a car is 7 to 10 years old its automatically going to have a bunch of problems? Especialy considering that my 1980 ford f-100 stepside is still running strong after 315k miles. | don't be an idiot. Everything is case sensitive, and things break down over the years. Key components need to be replaced, and driving habits need to be taken into account. I know this from both personal experience and from being an auto tech student. Things need to be replaced, but an overall car can go for a few hundred thousand miles if properly maintained. Your f 100 stepside is a case of either luck, or care care, whichever it is, good job. | well it has the 300 6cyl which was about the best engine ford ever made and well maintained, also thank you
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 11:05pm
Get a v6 firebird or camaro. A 1996-2002 will do you fine. They have 200HP, which is plenty for a young driver.
I have a 1990 firebird with 178,000 miles. Still runs like a champ.
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Posted By: paintballinbill
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 5:30pm
DeTrevni wrote:
Or you could get a nice Buick Grand National.
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turbo V6 FTW!!!!
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Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 5:40pm
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i really want one of these:

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Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 6:47pm
SSOK wrote:
Santa Chewp wrote:
We've also been over this MANY times Bearclaw where some cars simply ARE more reliable than others. Say all you want that they're exactly the same off the line...no, they arent.
And I know I've used this as an example countless times before. We have a 1982 Corolla at my house, every single piece is stock and it still runs perfectly. It's engine runs better than most of my friends cars, which are from early 90's. I've got a couple friends with old toyotas that have been to hell and back with no problem, while others are dying for no reason.
Sure, Toyotas will have the random mess up too and a car will die, like with any product, any company. Just like how ford may have a car/ truck that simply wont die. The fact of the matter is, not all cars are equally reliable, not even close.
Have a look at 2006/ 2007's most reliable cars: http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_most_reliable/index.html?section=cnn_topstories - http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_most_reliable/index.h tml?section=cnn_topstories
Best predicted reliability:
(As calculated by Consumer Reports)
Small cars:
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/echo/index.html - Toyota Echo
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/index.html - Honda Civic (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/prius/index.html - Toyota Prius
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/index.html - Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/corolla/index.html - Toyota Corolla
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/impreza/index.html - Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)
Sporty cars/Convertibles Coupes
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/s2000/index.html - Honda S2000
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/mazda/mazdaspeedmx5miata/index.html - Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/sc430/index.html - Lexus SC430
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/chevrolet/montecarlo/index.html - Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)
Sedans
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/gs300/index.html - Lexus GS300 / http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/gs430/index.html - GS430 *
I http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/infiniti/m35/index.html - nfiniti M35 / http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/infiniti/m45/index.html - M45 *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/lexus/is300/index.html - Lexus IS300 (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/accord/index.html - Honda Accord Hybrid *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/camry/index.html - Toyota Camry
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/accord/index.html - Honda Accord 4-cyl.
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/ls430/index.html - Lexus LS430
Wagons
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/index.html - Toyota Matrix
Small SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyota/rav4/index.html - Toyota Rav4 (2005)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/crv/index.html - Honda CR-V
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/element/index.html - Honda Element
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/forester/index.html - Subaru Forester
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/mercury/mariner/index.html - Mercury Mariner *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/mitsubishi/outlander/index.html - Mitsubishi Outlander
Mid-sized SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/lexus/rx400h/index.html - Lexus RX400h (hybrid)*
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/highlander/index.html - Toyota Highlander
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/4runner/index.html - Toyota 4Runner (V-8)
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/infiniti/fx35/index.html - Infiniti FX35
Large SUVs
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/landcruiser/index.html - Toyota Land Cruiser
Pick-up trucks
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/ridgeline/index.html - Honda Ridgeline *
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/tundra/index.html - Toyota Tundra
Saying that all cars are equal in reliability is far from the truth.
oh, and notice not a single ford on that list? 
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In 'jo face Chewp http://autos.msn.com/specials/landing_view.aspx?page=pickups&cid=4019414>1=8829 - http://autos.msn.com/specials/landing_view.aspx?page=pickups &cid=4019414>1=8829
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http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4019414"> For almost three decades, the Ford F-Series has been the best-selling vehicle in America. |
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That's popularity, not reliability. You do know what those words mean right.
And Bearclaw, in the debate between you, and people who test and evaluate cars for a living....theres no way I'm betting on you. I know what you do for a living, but theres more of them, a more reliable source, and more experience, AND a wider sample range. Working at one place is NOT an accurate reprisentation of an entire company across an entire continent, let alone several. There is no way that saying one company is more reliable than the other is ignorant if there is continual proof, studies and reports being done on it by educated individuals with no bias, and it just keeps showing the same thing each time.
Personally I think years of consumer reports and testing is much more valuable than someone going "nuh huh!" when presented with them.
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:27pm
tecumseh wrote:
i really want one of these:

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Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:29pm
i've ridden in one and they haul ass
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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:30pm
DeTrevni wrote:
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Posted By: Hitman
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 1:29am
Monster truck.
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 6:53am
Don't be stupid DsXz. The point of my post was to talk about MY german car, not my mother's Mercedes. I spent all that talking about my GTi and all you could point out was the line about the Benz? I was talking about VW, not BMW's or Audis(Yes, I know so don't say anything about the Audi part). I was just trying to offer some help with the Volkswagen field because I am quite knowledgable in the field of VW's, especially the MK4 1.8T GTi's and Jettas. Infact, if anybody has any question's about these cars, shoot. I love them.
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 8:08am
nissan maxima with 350z engine in it ftw
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