The Audacity of Hope.....in Obama.
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Topic: The Audacity of Hope.....in Obama.
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Subject: The Audacity of Hope.....in Obama.
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 3:14pm
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Why is Barack Obama so popular as a canditate for president? He has done very little as far as I know for the good of the country, he has barely done anything in his political career, infact he is still wet behind the ears in terms of National Politics. I will tell you why he is so popular, he is a fad, nothing more nothing less. So tell me all you who support him, tell me why I should vote for him should he actually declare his candidacy. Give me a better reason other than "he whould make a good president," tell me why he whould make a good president. Afterall, being a good president is not about being able to give a good speach or look good, it is about making quick and right decisions that effect the security and stability of this great nation, so tell me how Barack Obama has shown those qualities. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 3:59pm
Key phrase in this statement. Just because you do not know, does not make it not-in-existance. I like him. I agree with his political stances on things. I think he is willing to work with the other side, moreso than other democratic hopefuls. I think he is a hard worker with good ideas. I think he is very overall intelligent. Here are some things he has done, according to Wikipedia. "Obama helped to author an Illinois http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit" title="Earned Income Tax Credit - Earned Income Tax Credit that provided benefits to the working poor. He also worked for legislation that would cover residents who could not afford health insurance, and helped pass bills to increase funding for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS" title="AIDS - AIDS prevention and care programs. Obama authored a law requiring police to videotape interrogations for crimes punishable by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment" title="Capital punishment - death penalty . He also pushed through legislation that would force insurance companies to cover routine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammography" title="Mammography - mammograms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammography" title="Mammography - Fraternal Order of Police, whose officials cited his "longtime support of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_States" title="Gun politics in the United States - gun control measures and his willingness to negotiate compromises", this despite his support for some bills that the police union had opposed. In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2005" title="April 2005 - April 2005 , Obama sponsored his first Senate bill, the "Higher Education Opportunity through Pell Grant Expansion Act", S. 697. Entered in fulfillment of a campaign promise to help needy students pay their college tuitions, the bill proposed increasing the maximum amount of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pell_Grant" title="Pell Grant - Pell Grant awards to $5,100. Provision for Pell Grant awards was later incorporated into the " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deficit_Reduction_Act_of_2005" title="Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 - Deficit Reduction Act ", S. 1932, signed by President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush - George W. Bush on February 8, 2006. Obama co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act", S. 1033, introduced by Sen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain" title="John McCain - John McCain (R-AZ) on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_12" title="May 12 - May 12 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005" title="2005 - 2005 . Obama also supported a later revision, the " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act" title="Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act - Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act ", S. 2611, passed by the Senate on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_25" title="May 25 - May 25 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006" title="2006 - 2006 . He offered three amendments that were included in the bill passed by the Senate: (1) to protect American workers against unfair job competition from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_worker" title="Guest worker - guest workers ; (2) require employer verification of their employees' legal immigration status through improved verification systems; and (3) fund improvements in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation" title="Federal Bureau of Investigation - FBI background checks of immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship. In December 2005, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_of_Representatives" title="U.S. House of Representatives - U.S. House of Representatives had passed a parallel bill, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._4437" title="H.R. 4437 - H.R. 4437 , which provides for enhanced border security measures, but does not address the broader immigration reforms contained in the Senate's bill. As of November 2006, the House and Senate were unable to reconcile the two versions. In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2005" title="November 2005 - November 2005 , Obama and Sen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lugar" title="Richard Lugar - Richard Lugar (R-IN) introduced the "Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act" to expand the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn-Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction" title="Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction - Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_weapon" title="Conventional weapon - conventional weapons , including http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defence_system" title="Man-portable air-defence system - shoulder-fired missiles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-personnel_mine" title="Anti-personnel mine - anti-personnel mines . The bill, also known as "Lugar-Obama", was passed out of committee and reported to the Senate in May 2006. Obama joined with Senators http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coburn" title="Tom Coburn - Coburn (R-OK), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Carper" title="Thomas Carper - Carper (D-DE), and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain" title="John McCain - McCain (R-AZ) in sponsoring the " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountability_and_Transparency_Act_of_2006" title="Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 - Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act ", S. 2590, to provide citizens with a website, managed by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Management_and_Budget" title="Office of Management and Budget - Office of Management and Budget , listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract. President http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush - George W. Bush signed the bill, also referred to as the "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act", into law on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_26" title="September 26 - September 26 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006" title="2006 - 2006 . So no, he has not just sat around. I support quite a few of his issues. And if we are bringing into question his political background, I have to ask why? Our previous two presidents only held the title of Governer before their time as president. ------------- 
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MT. Vigilante wrote:Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 4:04pm
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He's actually not that bad, if i were going to vote dem i would go for him. ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 4:10pm
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I like him. If anything, you can at least admire his charisma.
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 4:28pm
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What did George W. Bush ever do for the good of our country? ------------- <Removed sig for violation of Clause 4 of the New Sig Rules> |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 4:57pm
Defended this nation and continues to defend this nation in a time of war? |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:03pm
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He keeps it real. End of story.
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Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:10pm
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Hes got a cool name.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:12pm
| I've had 20 years of Clintons and Bushes. 'Nuff said. |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:14pm
| I hope McCain runs in '08. He'll probably get my vote. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:39pm
Hehe. Defending the sky of Texas you mean? You and Bush have something in common, both in the millitary during a time of war, never once seeing a battlefield. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:48pm
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 5:58pm
I don't really think millitary background should come in to play when picking a president at all. I have much respect for Guard. I understand that there are a lot of them serving overseas right now. I just see far too much big talking from people who are not overseas. -------------
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 6:01pm
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 6:04pm
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 6:30pm
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Back on track here,
I think the big push for Obama to run comes from those in the Democratic camp who have enough foresight to see that Hillary Clinton isn't a viable candidate for the next presidency. While the Bush Administration has slowly but surely been loosing the support of the majority, the Republican party on a whole hasn't done enough to completely alienate themselves from John Q. Public. While the House has shifted ballance, only 29 seats were lost by the Republican party even though all 435 seats were up for re-election. The Senate also suffered lost seats for the Republicans, again, the losses were minimal with the ballance of power being split right down the middle with 49 seats Democratic, 49 Republican, and 2 Independent. While a decisive victory for the Democratic party which hasn't held a majority in congress for over a decade, it doesn't signal a large-enough shift in political feelings within the voting public to put someone who is considered to be a far-left liberal into office. Barrack Obama is the next best bet. While he stands hard on certain liberal topics, he is willing to compromise in most situations to bring about an amicable solution for all parties involved. The fact that he is also an African American may play a large factor in the final decision at the primaries. The Democrats need a clear and decisive victory that can't be muddied and dragged into court like the past two elections. If they can garner a large turn-out from the African American and minority voters in addition to their normal turnout, then they'd have a distinct advantage in numbers. Sure, it's a cheap ploy running the race-card, but if it works, it works. The only issue that I can see Obama having in this race is that it will be tough for him to win some of the less-progressive states. West Virginia, for example, is a traditionally Democratic state, but it has gone republican the last two presidential elections and has played a rather decisive role in the outcome each time. Obama has the potential to loose that state himself if he doesn't make his agenda and presence known on a personal level in it and other swing-able southern states. He'll have a hard time in the "redneck" areas simply because he's black and his middle name is Barack Hussein Obama. Trust me, I'm from one of those redneck states, and I know people would be hard pressed to vote for someone who sounded middle-eastern anytime soon. They're petty, petty, reasons, but they'll still sway votes the other way none-the-less. I wish Obama all the luck in the world, just as I wish whoever the Republican candidate is all the luck in the world as well. I think we'll have better decisions and harder-fought debates come 2008. Both sides MUST field a moderate candidate or they'll surely lose. ____________EDIT______________ Forgot to close the underline tag earlier... .oops! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 6:54pm
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Obama is ma n****.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 8:18pm
 Anyway, I like Obama's personality, his politics, and I like the fact that he hasn't been tainted by Washington politics too much. He's about the closest thing to one of "us" being a presidential hopeful as we have right now. Edit: Red, just because the Guard has been misused by this administration for the past 5 years, it should be out of bounds to point out that Mr. Bush is a chicken-hawk? -------------  |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 8:53pm
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whale, I disagree with you 100% about military experience not counting in choosing a president. If a man is to be the CINC of our military, I think he should have some sort of military background. Analogy: would you want a farmer to head a wall street investment firm? ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 8:59pm
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I fail to see how it makes a difference. Really a poor analogy. A person can be president and not have to make major military decisions. He has advisers in that field for a reason. If the farmer has advisers who will help him make decisions, sure, why not. There is a reason serving in the military is not a prerequisite to serving as president. When you start judging a president on military ability, why not just make the highest general we have act as president as well? The president's job is not to lead the military. It is to run the country first and foremost. -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 9:24pm
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Snake and Tae Kwon Do,
I disagree with both of your points in definition, but I have to agree with TKD on this that military service doesn't mean that the leader will be any better a commander in chief. The president who got us through one of the greatest wars on the face of the planet wasn't a military man (FDR) while one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century warned us against the military-industrial complex and allowing military men, especially connected military men, have power. If we were to have taken Eisenhower's warning more seriously, then we'd have never become the world's big brother/ big bully. Military service doesn't make you a better CIC. Infact, having a military man be the CIC in a time of war is the last thing you want. Just look at Nazi Germany. Hitler (and I know I'll be bashed for this) was probably one of the best statesmen of the 20th century. He dragged his country up by the bootstraps and turned them 180* from conquered to conquerer in a matter of a decade. They were the first country in the world to escape economical depression and built a national infrastructure that the rest of the world would emulate for decades to come. Not even Eisenhower, the Supreme allied commander, could deny that Germany was a power and intellectual base to be reconed with. It all went to crap, however, when Hitler took the command away from his field marshalls and decided that he, a military man, could make better command decisions than those who advised him on a course that would have left most of the Germanic Empire intact. The CIC should be there to give the nod, but leave the commanding up the those who know what the hell they're doing. Anyway, this thread is officially Godwined, sorry. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 12:22am
Barack Hussein Obama Thats his full name. Sounds like a real leader the left can proud of 
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Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 1:00am
Hey, you sound smart! -------------
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 1:05am
I don't get it. You judge people based on their name? -------------
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Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 1:45am
| Would you like to continue getting owned Carbinekid? |
Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 2:02am
The military is a huge part of the country in general. But excellent post earlier Whale, on what Obama has done. For once I can actually see someone who isn't putting themselves above anyone. What is his stance on abortion? Being Dem I think I already know but either way... ------------- |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 2:08am
Exactly who has control over their birth name? Nobody. Wow to that though. Wow. Sadly a good amount of uneducated america will fall for the same ploy though. ZOMG He has the same name, he must be evil. I feel bad for people named John, Joseph, Eric, Mark, and Adolf. They must all be evil. ------------- 
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 6:40am
Sure when will you all start trying? Not to destroy the mood of the libreal love fest, but Its a joke. Now if you cant see why I made this comment, and the irony in it, then you missed the part of him and the beloved former leader of Iraq having the same name. 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 11:22am
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 11:23am
| CarbineKid was joking about the Hussein bit. Rather obviously too, IMO. All of y'all are freaking out for no reason, and need to check your humorometers. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 11:24am
The sad part is, knowing CarbineKid's attitude on things and reading his posts here long enough, I really did not think he was joking. -------------
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 11:53am
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He'd get my vote in an instant. ------------- 
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 12:17pm
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Well most of these post have been well thought out, and I can see that many of you are basing your support for Obama on what he has done, and not just becuse you think "he is cool." That is very promising, to see Americans basing thier political ideas on facts not fads, I believe that is a dieing breed in this country, unfortunately. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 12:26pm
I think a lot of it has to do with, not about what he has politicaly done (although I do like his record of work), its that he is one of us. He is a person. He is not the son of a president, he did not grow up wealthy, he is not a former Oil Tycoon. In the same stance, he is not an old man pretending to be cool yet still watching his back by saying he "Smoked but never inhailed." He is young. He is one of OUR generation, not a boomer. He is a real human being. He had struggles growing up. He worked hard for what he has. It seems as if he got into politics to actually change something, and to better the world, and not just to further a party's agenda or keep a family name going. I mean, I don't know for sure, I have never personally met the guy, but he seems very genuine to his position and very honest about making the world a better place. -------------
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 2:30pm
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Well my entire reason for starting this thread was to tell everyone that they need to vote for somone not becuse they look good, or they give a good speach, or they have charisma, but because they actually believe they will make the right choices when the time comes. I can now see that most of you ( keep in mind I said most of you and not all of you ) do infact believe that about Obama, that gives me hope for this country, and not because you are going to vote for Obama should he run, ( because I infact will not support him ) but because you are not basing your opinions on Obama on just; "Everyone else seems to like him so I guess I will to." I hope thier are more voters out thier whith your mindsests. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 2:54pm
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 3:12pm
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When i vote for the president, or any government position for that matter, i base my vote on who i think is the coolest.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 6:45pm
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at least the '08 election should have better choices than the last one...
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:34pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:35pm
| So who should be making decisions instead of the politicians? |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:41pm
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The former desert storm leaders and people who actually have experience and knowledge of how to carry out this type of war. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 7:45pm
| So generals should decide when/how/whom to invade? |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 8:06pm
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If generals decided foreign policy the world would have already ended 10 times over.....
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 8:34pm
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What about me who is footing the enormous bill for the war and my flesh and blood to fight it? Do I get a say? |
Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 8:35pm
QFT Politicians are needed to keep generals in check. As for Obama, I like what he has done and many of his political stances, but I won't know if I will support him until I see everyone who is running. |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 8:58pm
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An unchecked Military is no way to fight a War. It's no way to do anything Everyone should be accountable to someone and ultimatly to the people. After all it's souposed to be a goverment of the people and for the people.
Thou Wars shouldnt be waged from the White House's Oval office either nor the Floor of Congress nor Senate. The Desition of War is and should be taken by congress on direct feed back of what's best for the people they represent. The War Planning should be left to the Joint Chief of Staffs, one thing we lack and we should have is another independent group of scollars to study and advise cultural and legal and of course the impact of any military action on the world. When your the last SuperPower you have only left yourself open to a world full of Davids. It's all about checks and balances. This is why I am buying the full report from the Iraq Study Group Tomorrow. Saw it today at the Bookstore but didnt get a chance to snag one. ------------- 
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Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 9:03pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 9:26pm
| EE - the Iraq report is a free download in PDF format if you want. Won't be all pretty like the bookstore version, but the price is good. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 12 December 2006 at 9:45pm
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As for the Iraq comminssion report, that's what's great about a free public library. |
Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 2:21am
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Too bad they couldn't run together..McCain pres and Obama VP -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 8:30am
I am vaguely surprised that you don't like Giuliani. Care to describe what you dislike about him? |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 9:52am
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His stance on gun control. Law enforcement loves him, which generally raises a red flag about his stance on civil liberties. As of right now, I think I'd pick Obama over Giuliani, but that could change once the campaign heats up and I have a better idea of what their agendas are. Then again a McCain/Giuliani ticket would have win written all over it. Having to choose between an ex-NYC Mayor and a NY Senator would probably cause a large portion of the country to sit at home and watch NASCAR on election day. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 10:22am
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Fair enough. I am actually starting to get a little excited about '08. I wasn't before - there didn't seem to be that many interesting people potentially running. But here is my prediction: John Edwards is on the ticket. He is the only legitimate Southerner the Democrats have, and they won't let him get away until they find a replacement. Whether he will be first or second on the ticket is unclear, but I predict him on there somewhere. And speaking of tickets - does anybody think Hillary would accept a VP spot? Or McCain or Giuliani, for that matter? I can see Obama taking the VP slot, and Romney as well, but I'm not sure the others would. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 10:41am
| I'd hate to be a "Clark Kent Clone" but I have to agree with what you just said. Edwards will be on the democratic ticket, and Romney would definatly take a VP spot if offered(don't see that happening, what do you have to gain politically for that call?) Obama might, but I doubt it. He's already too popular. Clinton or McCain wouldn't take a VP spot, why would they when it's a pretty useless post and they're already influential Senators? If Giuliani doesn't win the nomination, i could almost see him as attourney general if not a VP. |
Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 10:49am
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Yea I doubt that Clinton or McCain would accept a VP spot. Obama might, because I'm sure he'd still like the experience if he doesn't think he can win President. You're right though, I'll have to see what they say about their platforms on the campaign trail. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:02am
| Good call on Giuliani for AG. He went to law school, right? I think he did... |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:11am
Don't forget Tom Vilsack in the Democratic side of things. He would jump on a vice ticket in a heartbeat, plus he already has ties from the Kerry/Edwards ticket. -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:22am
| I might have to look into Vilsack, Romney would take whatever he can get. The man has his finger in the political winds as bad or worse than Clinton ever did or was accused of doing. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:24am
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Good thought on Vilsack VP too. The man has no chance at the Presidency, but he might be a good VP, depending on the main nominee. I would also like to take the opportunity to brag and remind everybody that I called Kerry/Edwards in January '04. And I would also like to throw out a gratuitous "lock-box". |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 1:10pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 1:15pm
| I didn't know that and wasn't joking. I know him only as Mayor. |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 4:01pm
| Dennis Kucinich? |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 4:07pm
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 4:18pm
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Kucinich is too short, and too far out of the mainstream on economic issues. He might be able to overcome one, but not the other. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 5:04pm
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I hope: Our next President doesn't have a Southern accent. Doesn't have the last name Bush or Clinton, we've had enough of those lately And it's about time we had a president with some facial hair, how long has it been? Since Teddy Roosevelt? |
Posted By: Hella Cool
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 6:09pm
| Good call on the lack of Presidential facial hair. Somebody needs to step it up. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 6:26pm
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:31pm
LOL I was going to say Osama and not Obama, but I thought that might be going to far. You gotta take everything I say with a grain of salt(especially if I add a ). I like to goof alot.
Now to be semi-serious. The GOP does not have anyone AT THIS time that is a legit candidate. Rudy is too liberal on abortion and gun control. He will never get the nomination. McCain could have been the guy, if he would have just shut up for the last 6 years. He dug himself a hole he can not get out of. The Right will never vote for these two. Sen Allen would have been a great candidate, but he couldn't even keep his seat in the senate. Newt Gingrich would be my choice, but hes got too many negatives. So whos left? I'de still like to see General "stormin" Norman run, but I doubt that will happen. Its to bad we couldn't clone some of our past great presidents like Lincoln, Washington, Teddy Rosevelt or Regan. |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:33pm
He was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 11:44pm
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Yeah, that's what I was thinkin of....
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 1:27pm
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I just saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwDlTkWtJZ4 - this . What the hell? -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 1:47pm
Sort of like yourself? ------------- 
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Posted By: Rambino
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 1:49pm
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That's awesome journalism right there. ------------- [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/aag8s8.jpg"> |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 2:09pm
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Wolf even looked confused by it -------------
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 2:23pm
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 2:31pm
How did they make that jump?! From not wearing a tie to mimicking the Iranian pres.! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say, "He is linked to the axis of evil because he doesn't wear a tie and his name is Barack Husien Obama." Words cannot even express this level of stupidity! ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 4:08pm
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 6:19pm
Yeah, I'm hopin ROFL is what they were goin for....ugh... ------------- |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 7:46pm
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