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Topic: Late-Night Sniper Thread

Posted By: Clark Kent
Subject: Late-Night Sniper Thread
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 1:16am

Badass of the Century?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 1:19am

White Death....

I know a couple of guys in the deep south named that...

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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 1:21am

Holy hell. 705 confirmed kills? With Iron sites? in -20* to -40*C? Having half his face shot off and recovering?

Bad-ass of the Century.

Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 1:24am

I'll bet that that's probably the record for most kills by any human with small arms fire as well.

Definately a badass.

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 1:31am

/me sets modes [#T&O -wiki Clark]

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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 1:55am

psh... i have 800 confirmed kills... and that's with my bare hands.

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:05am

sweet

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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:12am

BARREL BREAK wrote:

Holy hell. 705 confirmed kills? With Iron sites? in -20* to -40*C? Having half his face shot off and recovering?

Bad-ass of the Century.

I second that.

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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:07am

The Russo-Finn War of 39-45 was a total fiasco for the Soviets. The Finns held off a vastly superior (only in numbers, and later equipment) Soviet Army. Aligned with the Germans after Jun 41, the Finns kept the Soviets at bay right up till 45.

The Finns were experts in cold weather, and used techniques and tactics which totally baffled the supposedly Winter Fighting Soviets.

There are several choice articles in Military History Magazine on this War and the individuals involved. I especially remmember a story of a Finnish Airman who flying a B-399 (A Brewster Buffalo Fighter F-2 considered obsolete by US Standards pre 1940) engaging superior numbers and better Soviet Aircraft and coming out on top. (one of the historical scenarios is in IL 2 Forgotten Battles, try flying that if you have the flight sim).

Military History is filled with examples such as the sniper, and in the lessor battles of the era.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:16am

Camping noob.

Wikipedia wrote:

Before his injury, the Russians tried several plans to get rid of him, including counter snipers and artillery strikes. Their best result was tearing the back of his coat away with shrapnel, but leaving Häyhä himself unscratched.

Did they ever consider voteban?

Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:45am

BAMF

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:45am

Brian Fellows wrote:

Camping noob.

Did they ever consider voteban?

LOL, nice.

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:27am

zomg i didn't even bother clicking the link cause theres no snipers in pantball.

jk cool guy

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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:31am

I'll give it to him, but imo, Carlos Hathcock > *.

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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:23am

You are darn right a Finn whould be the best of the century! My people are a worrier race. HOOAH!!!

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:26am

MT. Vigilante wrote:

My people are a worrier race. HOOAH!!!

Although not the best at spelling.

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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:31am

Tae Kwon Do wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

My people are a worrier race. HOOAH!!!

Although not the best at spelling.

Very true.

But aparently you forgot to turn on your sense of humor today.

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:32am

That guy was the definition of badass.

Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:40am

I'm not sure I could live with myself killing 705 people.

Especially when the majority of them weren't even able to fight back.

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:47am

To snipers people are targets, nothing more. And when that target starts shooting back at you then it's really time to waste them.

Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:58am

Gatyr wrote:

I'm not sure I could live with myself killing 705 people.

Especially when the majority of them weren't even able to fight back.

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

But that is a good thing you feel that way, nobody should enjoy killing people.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:16am

MT. Vigilante wrote:

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

I understand that they would be trying to kill you, and that is the nature of the beast, but at some point a rational human being has to realize that somewhere after killing, I don't know, 300 people, they are psychotic and a murderer.

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Posted By: Capt.Jonesy
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:29am

sinisterNorth wrote:

I'll give it to him, but imo, Carlos Hathcock > *.

Too true, Hathcock was a bad mofo. He did his work in a friendly little paradise called Vietnam. There are several books about him and his exploits. He once stalked an NVA General by moving across an open field under a ghillie. It took him something like 3 days to cover 500 yards before he was in range to take the shot...

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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:35am

Capt.Jonesy wrote:

sinisterNorth wrote:

I'll give it to him, but imo, Carlos Hathcock > *.

When my girl's father was doing his marksmanship training with the NYPD, he trained with a guy who learned to shoot from his "Uncle Carlos" Vinny didn't think anything of it until Hathcock showed up at the range one day.

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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:43am

Reb Cpl wrote:

Capt.Jonesy wrote:

sinisterNorth wrote:

I'll give it to him, but imo, Carlos Hathcock > *.

extrapolate your story

very interesting

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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:57am

Gatyr wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

He was fighting for the freedom of his country, are you calling everyone who does that a murderer?

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:57am

Good lord, dude...

Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 12:13pm

Gatyr wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

Psychotics have only an intellectual understanding of emotions. They can pantomime the concept and pretend to express them, but it's an entirely intellectual endeavour.

Killing a lawful combatant in war is not murder. Killing your third, or seven hundredth lawful combatant in war is not murder. How does this differ from the torpedoman on a submarine that fires a torpedo that sinks a ship with all hands? How does it differ from an A-10 pilot who strafes tank columns that have no effective defence against the assault? How does it differ from one of the German pillbox gunners facing the initial waves of soldiers on D-Day?

Is a military sniper cold, and maybe a bit odd in the head? Yeah, I may give you that- but they do what they do out of a sense of patriotism and a desire to protect their side, not out of a pathological condition or some giddy sense of amusement. Potential snipers are very carefully psychologically screened, though I'll grant that was not necessarily the case during the second world war. A sniper is merely an incredibly competent military professional who does a brutal job that must be done.

The military leader who places any value in a 'fair fight' is a danger to his men and his country.

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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 12:18pm

brihard wrote:

Gatyr wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

Incorrect. Psychoticism is a very stringently defined condition.

The ability to detach oneself emotionally from what needs to be done is a virtue in many tough jobs, however rest assured that snipers do generally at least feel]/i] the emotions- they just don't allow themselves to act on them.

Psychotics have only an intellectual understanding of emotions. They can pantomime the concept and pretend to express them, but it's an entirely intellectual endeavour.

Killing a lawful combatant in war is not murder. Killing your third, or seven hundredth lawful combatant in war is not murder. How does this differ from the torpedoman on a submarine that fires a torpedo that sinks a ship with all hands? How does it differ from an A-10 pilot who strafes tank columns that have no effective defence against the assault? How does it differ from one of the German pillbox gunners facing the initial waves of soldiers on D-Day?

Is a military sniper cold, and maybe a bit odd in the head? Yeah, I may give you that- but they do what they do out of a sense of patriotism and a desire to protect thir side, not out of a pathological condition or some giddy sense of amusement. Potential snipers are very carefully psychologically screened, though I'll grant that was not necessarily the case during the second world war. A sniper is merely an incredibly competent military professional who does a brutal job that must be done.

The military leader who places any value in a 'fair fight' is a danger to his men and his country.

Thank you.

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:22pm

brihard wrote:

Gatyr wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

Psychotics have only an intellectual understanding of emotions. They can pantomime the concept and pretend to express them, but it's an entirely intellectual endeavour.

The military leader who places any value in a 'fair fight' is a danger to his men and his country.

Also, don't forget that the Finnish people were fighting for their land, which the Russians had invaded. That changes the situation a bit.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:23pm

I still think y'all are missing Gatyr's point...

Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:29pm

I think Gatyr is trying to say that after that many confirmed kills, the guy is most likely messed in the head.

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:35pm

Too bad his efforts were in vane because the allies completely botched the last third of the war....We might as well have let Hitler have half of Europe....In my mind, WWII wasn't nearly the great success as it had been portrayed to be...

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:41pm

I wouldn't say his efforts were in vain - Finland was never part of the USSR. Sounds like Finland won.

Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:42pm

Leet.

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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 2:53pm

Clark Kent wrote:

I wouldn't say his efforts were in vain - Finland was never part of the USSR. Sounds like Finland won.

Oh, seriously? I thought they were taken over like the rest of eastern Europe after we ignored Churchill's warnings....my bad...

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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 3:04pm

Killing over 700 people is not a number I would brag about.

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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 3:06pm

MT. Vigilante wrote:

Gatyr wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

The way you live with it is the fact that if they knew you were there, they whould do anything within thier power to kill you.

He was fighting for the freedom of his country, are you calling everyone who does that a murderer?

I would say so, yes.

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Posted By: Jack Carver
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 3:59pm

Bolt3 wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

He was fighting for the freedom of his country, are you calling everyone who does that a murderer?

I would say so, yes.

I'm sorry you think so poorly of those who would defend your freedom.
And use the edit button, nub.

Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 4:03pm

I was actually considering doing a post on this guy after I posted information on my Finnish Mosin-Nagant. But yeah, these guys don't mess around. Then can take an old russian gun and rebuild it and make it last for 105 years and it will be more accurate than the Russian version ever was. Heck, their version of the AK is pretty accurate as well. The Finns are the most badass europeans ever. Also, their traditional clothing is pretty cool, and they were the only country who kept paying thier WWI debt.

Posted By: easy123
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 4:09pm

Bolt3 wrote:

Killing over 700 people is not a number I would brag about.

Agreed but it is definitely a testament to his tremendous skill.

Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 4:25pm

Are you guys kidding me? I'd run that number up a flagpole so quick.

Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:15pm

Jack Carver wrote:

Bolt3 wrote:

MT. Vigilante wrote:

He was fighting for the freedom of his country, are you calling everyone who does that a murderer?

I would say so, yes.

I'm sorry you think so poorly of those who would defend your freedom.
And use the edit button, nub.

To say they are NOT murderers would be sweeping the truth under a rug.

easy123 wrote:

Bolt3 wrote:

Killing over 700 people is not a number I would brag about.

Agreed but it is definitely a testament to his tremendous skill.

Skill? I would hardly call it that.

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:22pm

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:38pm

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

I don't use guns and never intend to.

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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:43pm

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

To snipers people are targets, nothing more. And when that target starts shooting back at you then it's really time to waste them.

How do you know?

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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:49pm

HOInfantry wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

To snipers people are targets, nothing more. And when that target starts shooting back at you then it's really time to waste them.

How do you know?

What would you do if you had a rifle, and a guy was shooting at you? Im sure you wouldnt sit there and wait to be killed, and if you ran you would probably be caught.

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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:55pm

Pate wrote:

HOInfantry wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

To snipers people are targets, nothing more. And when that target starts shooting back at you then it's really time to waste them.

How do you know?

What would you do if you had a rifle, and a guy was shooting at you? Im sure you wouldnt sit there and wait to be killed, and if you ran you would probably be caught.

Hey,

"What would you do..." is hypothetical and does not answer a question partaining to knowledge. In other words...the post you just presented was kinda clunky.

Good luck!

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Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 5:58pm

HOInfantry wrote:

Pate wrote:

HOInfantry wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

To snipers people are targets, nothing more. And when that target starts shooting back at you then it's really time to waste them.

How do you know?

What would you do if you had a rifle, and a guy was shooting at you? Im sure you wouldnt sit there and wait to be killed, and if you ran you would probably be caught.

Hey,

"What would you do..." is hypothetical and does not answer a question partaining to knowledge. In other words...the post you just presented was kinda clunky.

Good luck!

lol...

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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 6:14pm

Finally got the old HO back...

And I do agree with Gatyr, legally it is not termed murder if you are at war(within certain boundaries of the law), but you are still ending a person's life.. I'm not saying war doesn't have a place in the past, present or future, nor am I implying it is any less important. I just would not brag about killing 700+ people.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 6:41pm

HOInfantry wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

To snipers people are targets, nothing more. And when that target starts shooting back at you then it's really time to waste them.

How do you know?

I lol'ed.

It's like HO is channeling a cross of OS and GS/BS.

Posted By: tecumseh
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:18pm

he's my herritage, im 85% finnish

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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:22pm

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

150 yards is cake. Things don't get challenging until about 300. I'd trust my Finnish rifle out to 600 meters.

Posted By: Frankly Mark
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:41pm

Thats pretty intense. and tight also

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:13pm

Is HO posting under the influence?

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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:21pm

rednekk98 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

150 yards is cake. Things don't get challenging until about 300. I'd trust my Finnish rifle out to 600 meters.

Please for the guy that said that that sniper didn't have skill 150 would be impossible if he would even consider picking up a gun.

Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:22pm

brihard wrote:

Is HO posting under the influence?

Heyya!

Does a bear crap in the woods?

Of course I'm under the influence. Of God and Country!

Pizzeace!!!

Good luck!

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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:13pm

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

rednekk98 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

150 yards is cake. Things don't get challenging until about 300. I'd trust my Finnish rifle out to 600 meters.

Please for the guy that said that that sniper didn't have skill 150 would be impossible if he would even consider picking up a gun.

I'm sorry, I do not consider it a 'skill' to kill more than 700 people.

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:17pm

Bolt3 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

rednekk98 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

150 yards is cake. Things don't get challenging until about 300. I'd trust my Finnish rifle out to 600 meters.

Please for the guy that said that that sniper didn't have skill 150 would be impossible if he would even consider picking up a gun.

I'm sorry, I do not consider it a 'skill' to kill more than 700 people.

Would you prefer that soldiers endeavour for anything less than absolute perfection in their job?

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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:23pm

brihard wrote:

Bolt3 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

rednekk98 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

150 yards is cake. Things don't get challenging until about 300. I'd trust my Finnish rifle out to 600 meters.

Please for the guy that said that that sniper didn't have skill 150 would be impossible if he would even consider picking up a gun.

I'm sorry, I do not consider it a 'skill' to kill more than 700 people.

Would you prefer that soldiers endeavour for anything less than absolute perfection in their job?

I prefer there being no need for soldiers.

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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:24pm

But there is.

Get back into the real world and out of la-la land.

Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 9:28pm

Bolt3 wrote:

brihard wrote:

Bolt3 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

rednekk98 wrote:

Razgriz Ghost wrote:

Ok now your talking really really stupid. I'd like to see you iron sight snipe a hummer from 150 yards away let alone a human head.

150 yards is cake. Things don't get challenging until about 300. I'd trust my Finnish rifle out to 600 meters.

Please for the guy that said that that sniper didn't have skill 150 would be impossible if he would even consider picking up a gun.

I'm sorry, I do not consider it a 'skill' to kill more than 700 people.

Would you prefer that soldiers endeavour for anything less than absolute perfection in their job?

I prefer there being no need for soldiers.

I'm a soldier, and I'd prefer my job had no need to exist either- but until that's the case I hope everybody beside me, in charge of me, and under my leadership is capable of the best soldiering they can possibly muster of themselves. I'd rather the other guy die for his country than me for mine.

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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:30pm

He asked me what I would rather prefer. I'm merely stating my opinion, not hiding from reality.

@Brihard: I understand your rationale completely.

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