which 9mm?
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Topic: which 9mm?
Posted By: evillepaintball
Subject: which 9mm?
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 6:54pm
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So i can one of three handguns all are around $530 i can get a new springfield XD a new Beretta 92 or a "certified used" sig p229 any suggestions? |
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Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 6:56pm
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Hey, Get a .45 Good luck! ------------- "HO is right..." - Procarbinefreak |
Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 6:59pm
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Meh...I'd go with a Colt. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:02pm
| i meant out of those three... and 9mm because its cheap to shoot |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:02pm
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LOL GET A DEAGLE! INEXPENSIVE AND PRACTICAL. |
Posted By: HOInfantry
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:03pm
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Hey, I saw a guy shoot a lizard with his 9mm... It kept walking. I'd go with a .45 Good luck! ------------- "HO is right..." - Procarbinefreak |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:04pm
| its not for defense or killing, just for shooting |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:04pm
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What's the intended use of this pistol? Concealed carry, personal defense, recreational shooting? Springfield is OK if you want a DAO trigger, it would be fine for defensive work. M92 is a bit bigger than the SIG, but may fit you better. Also mags are plentiful. SIG is smaller than the M92, and are generally accurate pistols. I wouldn't have a problem with buying a certified pre-owned SIG
May I ask why you chose 9mm? affordability and magazine capacity, or because you want to be able to say "don't make me bust a cap in yo azz wit my nine foo!" ? All of those pistols are available in .40S&W EDIT: If this is for plinking only, I'd say try the M92 and P-229. Go with what feels best in your hand, what has the best controls in your opinion. What type of lockwork do the other pistols have? The XD is double action only, the others may or may not be depending on the exact model. Generally DOA triggers are a bit difficult for bullseye shooting, but the consistancy is good for training and stress situations. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:27pm
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its just for plinking. they both the 92 and sig feel equally "right" in my hand, so in lieu of the XD being a da only action, im looking mainly at the 92 now considering its new and i think it has a higher mag capacity. |
Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:41pm
| im with HO, get a .45 |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:44pm
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Why... he's just plinking. |
GI JOES SON wrote:Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:47pm
Or get an M1911 .45 for the ergonomics, and get a .22 conversion kit for economics.
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:50pm
| I would not get a .45 for plinking, evil go with the sig honestly, it's reliable as hell, I'd trust a used sig any day. And rednekk has the greatest idea yet. I'd do that evil. |
Posted By: easy123
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 7:59pm
| Save another 200 and get a Glock 19 |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:01pm
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Springfield XD and a tetanus shot.
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:10pm
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NO! If you want to do plinking do not get a glock. Personal opinion but it was not at all accurate when I fired it, and I pride my marksmanship. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:28pm
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i hate the trigger pull and the general feel of Glocks. the trigger just seems really sloppy to me, not crisp at all like the 92 and sig. and rednek, spending 800 on a handgun, then another 200 for a conversion kit hardly seems economical to me, that and i hate the small grip of the 1911. 636andy636. - and why the tetanus shot? |
Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 8:36pm
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personally i would go with the 92 ive shot the .40 version and the gun
just felt right i mean i absolutely loved it although it was my dads and hes uped it for competition shootin so i dont know what a new one would feel like but i would still get the 92 ------------- 
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:35pm
That was gonna be my question. Which feels better in your hands, as comfort is something that many seem to forget about in choosing. I wanted a Sig P228 for a long time... til I held one in my small hands. Wanted a 92FS... til I held one in my small hands. Either one you go with should do the job. I decided on 9mm for essentially the same reasons you did. Economics played an essential role in caliber choice, I do not plan on carrying (although I do plan on getting my CCW anyway, just because) and use in self-defense is secondary to punching holes in paper. Evil Elvis constantly busts my balls about not getting a .45, and while I have been eyeballing M1911s, they just don't meet my needs right now. .45ACP ammo cost is VERY high these days, and yes I could get a .22 kit to soften the blow to the wallet... in fact I did, for my 9mm. Plus, being new to handguns... self-teaching myself to shoot starting right off the bat with a 45ACP didn't make much sense to me. I went with a CZ P-01 in 9mm, added a 22LR Kadet kit, and couldn't be happier. 9mm FMJ costs me 13c/rd, 22LR costs me 3c/rd. Which makes trips to the range affordable for me. Now if I could only shoot straight... 
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:50pm
They tend to rust easily. For plinking get a Ruger Mark III hunter .22 LR. And a few bricks of med quality .22 LR ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: BooksAndLeaves
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:56pm
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KIMBBBBERRRRRRR and .45 all the way man. I know you're just shooting for fun, but .45 is more fun ------------- 01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 10:59pm
oh, already have a Mark I |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 14 December 2006 at 11:17pm
| I'm partial to the Ruger P-Series. Its not as glorified as the others, but it works, and works all the time. If your really into getting the 92 check out the Taurus. Its cheaper then the Beretta, the safeties in the right place...and best of all its made on Beretta's own machines(left over in Brazil). |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 9:57am
Wow, I completely agree with Andy again.... better not start making a habit out of this. 
If you're just plinking, go for what feels right in your hand, what has a good reliability rating, and what is good and cheap to shoot. If you're dead set on getting a 9mm, check out all the reviews and see which one feeds crap ammo with the best reliability. After all, you can put Federal Hydroshocks into anything for 100 consecutive rounds without a jam, but the Sigs don't like cheap stuff. As around the gun stores and pawn shops and see which guns will shoot UMC or surplus ammo the best. That's why I like my Springfield "G.I." .45ACP, I can throw crap from WWII in that sucker and it'll still shoot. My Luger P.08 is the same way. I need to take some pictures of that and post them come to think of it. Really nice weapon, all matching serials, original holster, mags, flight suits, fighter pilot's cap with mikes and headphones, and parachute. My grandfather got it as a "packaged deal" when he had a luftwaffe flight-officer surrender to him at Nuremburg. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 10:00am
| TAKE THE PICS TALLEN! I want to see that G.I, if it's not a hassle that is. |
Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 10:22am
Or you could just go here: http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-pstl-1911-GI.shtml - http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-pstl-1911-GI.shtml 
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 10:32am
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I am getting a pistol soon. I am torn between a M1911A1 and a Glock 22 in .40 cal... Hard Decision. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 11:06am
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http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/PW9108LLarge.jpg - This is it
That's the exact style of mine. Parkerized, etc. but mine is pre- "US" Grips. Very nice, smooth, accurate, and reliable. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 11:34am
| That's such a nice gun, think you can get a vid of you shooting it? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 12:11pm
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yeah, no problem, I live in DC now, so my fire-arms are all kept back at my parents' house in WV. I may see if someone in VA can store them for me though *cough*shorty*cough* as my GF doesn't want a fire-arm in the house if I'm not there and it isn't locked up in a gun safe. Anywho, I'm going into WV for xmas and will need to put my boys through a little "exercise" so I'll take some video and you can drool. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 12:21pm
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Posted By: ShortyBP
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 2:52pm
Offer is still open. Will even give you a key to the house so you can access when we're not home. Would be nice to get some range time with you if possible... need someone to point out what I'm doing wrong. 
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 5:15pm
Could be a problem if you start to agree with me too often. ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 8:01pm
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as for feel, id go with HO and go for a .45 (Colt 45s are so comfortable imo) or a Glock 17. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 8:05pm
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I use my .38 for economic shooting.
Don't know anything about automatics. ------------- 
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 8:07pm
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My dad went the 9mm route just because it would be cheap to shoot. He got a CZ 75B, which was a decent pistol. However mags were expensive, and even though it's cheaper than .45ACP, it still adds up. Figure the 92 has double the magazine capacity of the 1911, but hey, you've got high cap mags, you're gonna want to put that many rounds in there when you're shooting for fun. Believe me, it will add up, and when you're looking into .22 conversion kits, you're gonna wish you had a serious caliber to switch back to. My first hangun is going to be the best M1911 I can afford, then I'll get a .22 conversion kit so I can afford to keep it going. If you want the SIG, you might want to check to see if it has polygonal rifling like a glock. I'm not sure if it does or not, but if you shoot lead bullets for economy then switch to jacketed, the lead fouling can cause your barrel to let go if you don't clean it well between switching. Lead bullets are usually cheaper than jacketed ones. If you don't like the slim .45 grips you can always switch them out with the ones on your 98c
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 8:12pm
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Sure thing Shorty! I'll even bring the P.08 up on occasion if you want. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 8:19pm
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None of the guns I have are legal. ------------- 
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Posted By: Savage93fvss
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 11:33pm
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I just got a used XD-40 9mm, thing is bad ass, I do like the trigger though, less to fumble with under the seat when you need it.
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 15 December 2006 at 11:35pm
fixed(if your talking about using it for self defense) ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: Savage93fvss
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 12:21am
| I use it for shooting coons and oppossums in the drive way mostly, not to much crime here, I prefer the up close kinda thing when it comes to that. |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 12:23am
Least your not a pansy that never leaves the house with out his gun. ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 12:33am
My stepdad never leaves the house without his gun, but he's a cop. -------------
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 12:45am
He has a excuse to carry though. ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 12:47am
This is true. When I get my permit I will carry everywhere also. -------------
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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 3:25am
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Ive had my permit for 5 years now. I carried it everywhere I could. Now I just carry it when I go to Cincinnati or Anywhere in Ohio for that matter. Oh Crap! come to think about it, My permit runs out this month! Get a sig. the M92 is junk in my book. talk to anyone in the military, they jam way too much....or better yet look into getting an older S&W. best triggers Ive felt, next to the sigs or Kimbers. ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
Posted By: kuhndog599
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 10:25am
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anyone know why my thread was closed? ------------- model 98 - homemade handguard solid stock - opsgear mag polished internals homemade sling - paintjob operator barrel progressive barrel opsgear mag - stock |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 11:52am
| Becuase the mod that closed it was tired of you starting three different threads pretty much concerning the same topic. If you bump a thread that you started a few days ago to aska different question about the same topic you'll get a lot less flak than you do when you start thread after thread. |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 12:52pm
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9mm is a friggin bb gun
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:16pm
You wanna stand in front of me with a BB. Gun and let me shoot you with it, then you can stand in front of my P.08 and let me shoot you with it. Perhaps you'll be able to tell the difference if you aren't dead yet. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:19pm
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stand behind a friggin brick wall and ill shoot through the friggin thing with my .500 S&W Mag
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:21pm
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Army thinking for you...
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:29pm
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Sure thing Murdock! You bring that worthless hand-cannon and I'll bring the wall. I'll even let you go first, then, when you're finished with your demonstration, I'll go ahead with mine. I'm pretty sure you're going to be the one bleeding out on the ground though.
_____________EDIT_______________ And when did they start letting idiots who know nothing about ballistics and mechanical physics join the Army? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:31pm
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Your friggin pathetic
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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:32pm
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Since they started giving 40k signing bonuses and since they started sending kids through basic as E-4's..
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 1:48pm
first off, no one cares that you have a 500. He probably can shoot through a brick wall though, ive seen a 454 go through the front of a cinder block, then through the middle wall of the block, and crack the back wall. of course it was badly fragmented afterwards (found what was left of the bullet, bounced back and landed by our feet). but what good does shotting through a brick wall do you? you cant see whats on the other side, which is why your idea is retarded, and tallens is better. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 2:13pm
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Not to mention the fact that "brick wall" implies a wood framework faced inside and out with hard-clay baked bricks and filled with an insulative material such as sand, aggragate stone, or concrete.
Also, the proper way to spell it would be, "You're friggin' pathetic." See those little sur-text lines? Those are apostrophes, they're your friends. 
Jesus, how'd this guy pass his ASVAB? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 2:22pm
Then ill frag you wif muh Deagle FIFFFTy CALIBER!!!!111oneone ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 2:23pm
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Andy FTW!!!! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 2:26pm
No no no not teh DEAGLE. fifty cal BMG d00d. I can shoot you frum one hundred million miles away. Tallen: Stop agreeing with me lol ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 2:30pm
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Let's disagree to agree? or is it agree to disagree? aww crap, the stupidity of that one guy's post is affecting me!!!! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 2:37pm
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Its the military intelligence.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 5:34pm
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 7:13pm
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get the pp7,
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 7:24pm
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toss a grenade ftw |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 7:35pm
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Gi Joe, The Quote in your sig is from Shakesphere, not Band of Brothers.. They quoted it from the play Henry the V -------------
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 7:40pm
| yea i know, they do mention it in the interviews too, i just went with BOB because more people know about it and thats where i heard it first |
Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 16 December 2006 at 10:59pm
How often are you in a situation where you need kill someone to save your life? Frogman- stop playing golden eye. The actual name for that gun is PPK ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 1:05am
It would only take one time, and then you would thank God you had your permit(if you live in a free state that isues permits). &nb sp; |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 4:14pm
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If I ever had been in such a situation I'd likely be dead. If there's a possibility that someone may try to harm you with a weapon, it doesn't make sense not to be better armed. Even if I could kick someone's ass fighting fair, there's no garuntee he will fight fair. thinking you're so tough you wouldn't need a weapon in that situation idn't going to impress the guy who shoots your ass. Besides, I am far more likely to have to shoot a bear in self-defense than a person. I'd like a very big gun, since otherwise the odds are vastly in favor of the bear. |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 5:26pm
 10ft tall at the soulder, 1200 lbs. |
Posted By: thebuickguy
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 5:28pm
 44 magnum most powerful hang gun in the world
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 5:52pm
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the muzzle energy for the most powerful 44mag is 1859, the energy of the .454 casull is 1900, and for the 500 s&w its even more and then theres the .50bmg handgun |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 6:20pm
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My best friend who lives in alaska traded in his old .45acp when he moved to anchorage. Opted for a .44 Mag and then switched up to the Casul for moose protection. He's had more scary run-ins with moose than he has bear up there. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 7:03pm
| Actually, I did run into a moose a few weeks ago. That does warrent considering. I still think I will be going with the .45acp for all-around use, as anything bigger would have serious over-penetration issues. Also that's about as heavy of a gun as I would carry. If I got something bigger I might be tempted to leave it at home rather than be uncomfortable. |
Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 7:30pm
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The 1911 is nice for carry IMO, not exactly light weight, but not terribly heavy, and it's slim as hell. |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 7:37pm
The fact that you use "da" in a sentence revokes your right to own a gun. ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 7:44pm
"da"= DA= double action = tripleactionminusoneaction |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 7:45pm
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I stand pwnt. Carry on.
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 7:46pm
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 8:04pm
| i wonder if anyone has every made a triple action.... |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 8:29pm
Why would you want to? -------------
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Posted By: evillepaintball
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 8:42pm
| just something different |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 8:48pm
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 8:59pm
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Double action means that the trigger performs two actions. Cocking the hammer and fireing the gun. Triple action would need to perform some other action with the trigger pull. |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:04pm
Pleasuring my feminine parts |
Posted By: battlefreak
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:07pm
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Posted By: Koyote
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:16pm
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To the main topic this is just my view I'd forget all about the 9mm and go with the .45 acp since it has a bit more stopping power...which is why am wondering why the military went to the 9mm because as I remeber they use to use .38s but they weren't stopping people so they went to the .45acp...Any way thats just my view but your going to be the one shooting the gun so I'd suggest you go to a local dealer that will let you try out a few different guns and calibers and just see what your most comfortable with since no one is the same. But here in a year am planing on getting a 1911 (because I don't like how the XD is a double action)in .45acp for concealed carry. ------------- Tippmann X7 Tippmann Custom Pro E trigger Tippmann Pro/Carbine Tippmann C-3 Tippmann 98 Custom Tippmann A-5 expansion kit flatline |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:23pm
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The reason why the military went to the M9 is because of the Hague Convention which prohibits the use of rounds that large on personnel and the fact that all the other NATO countries used 9 mm already.
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Posted By: Koyote
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:28pm
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Oh, alright that I didn't know heh I forget where but I thought I heard that they may go back to the old .45acp but am guessing that was just a rumor. ------------- Tippmann X7 Tippmann Custom Pro E trigger Tippmann Pro/Carbine Tippmann C-3 Tippmann 98 Custom Tippmann A-5 expansion kit flatline |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:32pm
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They are issuing accurized versions of the M1911A1 to the special forces, and certain units in the 1 MEU(SOC). But on a wide scale I don't ever see us going back to the .45(as much as I wish we would).
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Posted By: Razgriz Ghost
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 9:54pm
| No no they won't, unfortunatly it's not very cost effective. Not at all as cost effective as the m9. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 17 December 2006 at 10:52pm
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The military doesn't care about cost effective... -------------
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:00am
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I recommend an XD-40. Word is they're really cheap these days, or you can even just find one in some dude's truck.
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Posted By: Destruction
Date Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:28am
Beat me to it. ------------- u dont know what to do ur getting mottor boatted Men are from Magmar, women are from Venusaur. |
Posted By: Santa Chewp
Date Posted: 18 December 2006 at 4:29am
Play "la cucaracha" on an airhorn every time I pull the trigger? ------------- [IMG]http://i9.tinypic.com/8f3jo8l.jpg"> |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 18 December 2006 at 10:46am
In addition, the .45ACP can be a trickier pistol when learning to shoot. The recoil on a 1911 standard-issue automatic combat pistol is significatly more than the standard issue 9mm. It is also a heavier weapon (unloaded) and has a smaller magazine capacity (7 rounds versus 15 rounds with a 9mm). Of course, I take my father's stance on handgun use in the military. He said, "It is my personal belief that if you let the bastards get close enough to use a hand-gun, then you haven't done your job right with your rifle." ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 18 December 2006 at 10:53am
| Tallen has a point. Training considerations are certainly a factor. Some people don't react well to the recoil. I have to believe that allowing women in the military had some bearing on adopting to very small calibers. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:45pm
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That is a direct reason they switched to 9mm in Law enforcement. I hate to keep using him as a source, since its all hearsay to you guys, but thats straight from my future father in law (NYPD gunsmith/instructor) http://www.horstheld.com/0-Mars.htm - http://www.horstheld.com/0-Mars.htm FTW. ------------- ? |