biggest step in PB tech??
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Topic: biggest step in PB tech??
Posted By: an94
Subject: biggest step in PB tech??
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 4:32am
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What do you think the biggest step in paintball technology? Ill start I think its between the Tippmann 98 custom or the electric hoppers Talk ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 11:49am
Not even close to being the biggest step. The two biggest steps that ever occurred in paintball technology wer the creation of constant air systems and semi-automatic markers. C.A. completely changed the name of the game, the competitive side of the sport got faster, games got shorter, and players had to re-think strategy. It used to be that you waited until the other guy had to change out his 12gram co2 cartridge before moving on his position. When you heard the hiss of the 12 gram being ejected, you ran up to the bunker and shot them point blank while they were helpless. The advent of Constant Air also ushered in the age of semi-automatic paintball markers as it allowed a high-volume semi-auto system to be used practically on the field. These two systems allowed for almost every other progression in paintball to occur. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
an94 wrote:Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 1:52pm
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Bang. Right on the money. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 3:11pm
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yeah agreed completely electric hoppers and the tippmann 98 are both great but not even close to the biggest step in paintball ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 5:00pm
And, both were invented by AGD. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 5:45pm
Bingo. (Semi auto would have been pointless without constant air.) ------------- 
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Posted By: Simma Down!!
Date Posted: 24 December 2006 at 3:50pm
Correct me if im wrong but Gramps and Grizzlys airsmiths Lou "Gramps" Grubb and Mike "Grizzly" Grubb came up with the idea of constant air and patented it. |
Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 24 December 2006 at 11:02pm
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im agreeing with that maybe add electros too
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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 25 December 2006 at 4:17am
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oops I didnt even think about the air tanks. who made the first semi PB gun?
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Posted By: GI JOES SON
Date Posted: 25 December 2006 at 10:14am
| i think it was tippmann with the SMG-60...someone correct me if im wrong |
Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 25 December 2006 at 1:03pm
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i know tippmann took a lot of first steps and still does, but someone said AGD made the first semi up there, and that wouldn't suprise me.
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Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 27 December 2006 at 4:04am
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vm68? it is really old and is semi auto.
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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 27 December 2006 at 6:08am
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Tippmann had an advantage over other companies cause they made fullauto firearms before going into paintball. I thought autococker made the first successfull semi. ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 December 2006 at 5:11pm
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No, the first semi-automatic paintball marker was designed and manufactured by Dennis Tippmann, it was the SMG-60. Budd Orr's Autococker didn't hit the market until 1990. Prior to Orr's Autococker, Glenn Palmer worked on converting pump-markers to semi-auto starting in 1988 with "Camille" (which was stolen out of his truck several years ago). Orr's Autococker design borrows heavily from the Hurricane and Palmer's original 4-way valve design. Palmer in turn admits that a lot of the timing and automation aspects of his first markers were improvements on designs created by David Craig of TASO.
CA came out in 1983/84 But I'm pretty sure Tom Kaye wasn't the one who created it. Kaye DID create the six-pack speed changer for 12 gram cartridges and also produced some of the first HPA/N2 bottles. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 28 December 2006 at 8:06pm
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Im pretty sure Tippmann invented CA. I even remember reading it somewhere that they felt it was too much of an innovation to paintball so they did not charge other companies royalties on it. Another innovation is masks..... ------------- 
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 28 December 2006 at 8:50pm
Good point. I remember wearing shop goggles at the field we played at in the UK in 1985. We used Splatmasters and it was a blast . . . until some one-eyed guy got it shut down. -------------
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Posted By: Simma Down!!
Date Posted: 29 December 2006 at 7:20am
I know tippmann invented the pin valve could that be what you are thinking about? |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 December 2006 at 11:28am
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Constant Air was banned in tournament play by 1983/84 before tippmann was even in the sport. The inventors of CA were indeed Gramps and Grizzly. http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tournament/vegas99/index.shtml - Source
Full face protection goggles would definitely be in there too, good point! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Connmann
Date Posted: 31 December 2006 at 12:26pm
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standard .68 cal paint was also a big advancement.
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Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 01 January 2007 at 1:10am
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how about the use of electronics in PB guns? thats prob a very big step. & the fact that PB guns can fire double & sometimes tripple the speed of REAL firearms.. standards in cal. is really a good one. um lets talk about standards for a moment. lets say all manufacturers have a standard bolt, standard barrel, standard speed. that would be a good advancement.. it would get rid of all the "my gun is better than your gun!" why dont they do this??? like ALL go with AC barrel thread, etc. ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 January 2007 at 7:10pm
They don't do it, because all of the things you just mentioned are what sell markers. If we all played with the same marker and there was no variation from company to company, we'd all still have to purchase our equipment at exorbitant costs from NSG and only get a mediocre game out of it. Standard bolts wouldn't work. Each marker system needs a different bolt style to work based on the design. For example, tippmann and spider markers can't use the same bolts as tippmann pioneered and uses a linear bolt, valve, and hammer configuration. Their proprietary valve systems allow for this. The standard Nelson valve on the other hand, uses a stacked valve, hammer, and bolt design which is why you have to have a linkage pin between the bolt and the hammer. Tippmann isn't going to give away their technology for free, and if someone else can produce a marker without having to pay a licensing fee for use of certain designs, they will. It makes it cheaper and better for the player and the economy of paintball. Standardizing barrel threads is rapidly becoming a reality. While certain manufacturers still hold to their proprietary threads for whatever reason. Autococker threads are used on most of the new markers for two reasons. Number one, autocockers were some of the most prolific markers on the market prior to the decline in cost of electro-pneumatic markers, so there are a lot of barrels out there for them, and secondly, many of the companies that make markers now (DYE and Eclipse for example) used to make more autococker parts than anything else, so they just stuck with the standard they knew. Tippmann is even becoming more and more standard as the A-5, X-7, Pro-Carbine, Carbine, Mini Lite, and pro-lite all share the same barrel threads. Kingman will never standardize as their markers are made in metric-measured machine shops, the same goes for WDP. Standardizing barrels themselves would be pointless as a multitude of barrels gives you multiple advantages depending on the game, weather, conditions, and paint-size. As for speed, they tried to do that back in both the early and mid 80's. First they tried to keep things fair by outlawing C/A in tournaments. Then, with the advent of Tippmann Pneumatics' SMG.60, they attempted to ban semi-auto by banning the .60 outright at the majority of fields and fully banned (still is) in tournaments. Of course, we all know how well that worked out for the paintball community. As for standardization on caliber, It wasn't as big of a step as some of the others that have been listed. The calibers still aren't actually standardized, just loosely held to around .68" in diameter. You can go to the store and pick up rounds that dip well below .66 caliber. All that really did was put some paint companies under (do you see nelson manufacturing paintballs anymore?) and put some others way ahead, like RPS. It had little-to-no bearing on manufacturing standards as companies have proven that they are flexible enough to make a wide range of barrel calibers, especially in recent years. Moreover, it cost many companies a lot of money to re-tool their assembly and machining lines to accept the new standards. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 12:37am
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nelson still makes paintballs. ------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 4:19pm
They only started producing again in recency, they had backed out of the market as of 1998. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 6:54pm
| Guess who's back?! Back again?! Nelson's back, tell a friend... |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 1:39am
| Anarchy is the best paint ever. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 11:23am
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"Anarchy is better..... no, Allstar is better!!!!"
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 3:18pm
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All Star is definitely not better. Back in early 04 when I shot it through my A-5, it shot darts. Now, the fill quality has declined and I get gun breaks worse and moreso than whitebox. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 3:25pm
Methinks you've missed the point.... It was a Billy Madison thing.... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 3:30pm
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I know. But I just hate All Stars. Anytime they get mentioned (whatever the context) I have to bash them. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 3:31pm
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All Star. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 3:35pm
| GRRRR |
Posted By: Connmann
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 4:37pm
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stacked tube designs also were a big advancement.
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 5:11pm
Explain? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 5:36pm
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shortned the over all length of the guns EDIT: ALL STAR sorry I know that joke is dead, but I just wanted to make sure. ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 5:53pm
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Uhm, the nelspot and subsequent nelson valve derivative markers were 11" long including the barrel, the spyder compact (small 3rd gen stacked body marker) is the same size as that without ANY barrel. Stacking was the only way to get around the patents that nelson and tippmann both held for inline markers. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: QcXf
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 9:23pm
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http://www.ody.ca/%7Ecwells/history.htm - History... Me thinks its an ok site.. seems accuarate |