My crackpot origin of earth theory
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Subject: My crackpot origin of earth theory
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:33pm
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Okay, it may sound crazy, but its based on more scienctific facts then you might believe, even tho it sounds crazy. Its my theory of the origin not just of earth, but of the universe as we know it. Feel free to poke holes and be skeptical, i just made this us this afternoon (too much science channel, and caffine.)
Theory of Origin
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According to the laws of physics, energy can never be completely lost; it just turns into another form of energy. (I.e. heat, electricity, movement, etc.) Though the energy has been spent theoretically a black hole could collect and condense this energy through its extreme magnetic pull into an infinitely small and infinitely dense sphere. But when the black hole dies and collapses what then happens to the matter and energy condensed by the black hole into that sphere? Because that energy cannot be lost, I believe that it explodes outward having fused back with other matter while inside the black hole. Thus theoretically the universes energy supply is then renewing itself and by reusing the very energy that was previously spent, causing the universe to renew its self and its energy supply. This is not to say that something like a star could go on forever without using up all its energy (Sorry the sun will still one day go out and it could be the end of mankind as we know it… but that’s another topic for a later day.) But, there is still hope, when that star does use up all its fuel and all that energy is released, that star will collapse, and the energy will still be around though, just in a different form. And according to my theory a black holes gravity is strong enough to take in that spent energy and as I stated above, renew its self.
Many of you might be thinking if I’m right “Yay the universe will never end! Mankind may have a chance after all!” But that’s not true, in a sense. And now I have you confused. You see the universe as we know it is gradually expanding, more quickly over time. And one day, there will not be enough energy in the universe to be able to sustain its growingly large size. And I think the universe will collapse in on its self creating a massive black hole of unimaginable proportions, much like a giant star when it collapses it creates a black hole. Sucking every bit of what was in the universe as we knew it in, until one day the black hole will die and collapse, what happens then you say? A Huge explosion and wave of energy and matter being shot outward in every direction, a “Big Bang” if you will. I believe that, is the origin of mankind, and the universe for that matter, scientist have wondered if there where many other universes other then our own, and I believe it to be true, and that the end of one, causes for the beginning of another over time. Thus answering the skeptical question “Where did the matter come from for the big bang?”
Most of you who have had a second to think by now, have said “If that energy and matter in the black hole explodes outward then why hasn’t any one noticed, surely N.A.S.A. or some other Astronomer has picked this up on their telescopes or some of their equipment, but there is nothing. Well I have an answer for that too. You see in our universe, every bit of matter out there doesn’t have enough mass to provide anywhere near the gravitational pull required to keep the universe in place, so scientist have came up with a new theory about a new kind of matter, Dark Matter. Dark matter isn’t made up of atoms or molecules like any other matter out there, its invisible and since is not made up of atoms it has the ability to travel straight through other matter composed of atoms, thus making it nearly impossible to detect but makes up about 7 times more of the gravitational pull needed to keep the universe together then mass made up of atoms. You ask, “Cool but what does this have anything to do with your theory and why no one has noticed this “energy explosion.”” You see I believe that the matter from the dark matter is so condensed from the gravity of the black hole that the very atoms inside it have been crushed and destroyed (at least temporarily) and it comes back as dark matter, which is would explain why dark matter creates so much more gravity then normal matter because its mass is so dense that it has much more gravity of something with less density of the same volume. And over time the matter and its energy reform back to how they originally where until the energy is again spent, and remade through this infinite repeating cycle.
This doesn’t quiet prove evolution to all that have held fast to that theory however, just because a big bang formed what we know as the universe doesn’t prove that we evolved from monkeys. The facts disproving evolution are just too great for me to ever believe, I believe that Humans are truly just energy and matter combined together much like animals, or even a flowing stream of water. Much like the dark matter slowly returning back to its original state, I believe that the energy and matter that makes up humans is so complex and complicated that it takes more time for it to be able to combine and regenerate as they once where and this causes the delay we see between the “creation” of man from other life forms. In short my theory states that the earth was created by not just 1 single big bang that started all of time, but a large series of previous “explosions” of energy slowly restoring itself until the universe once again reaches too large of a size and once again collapses upon itself.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:36pm
tl;dr
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Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:38pm
ill read it tomorrow and tell you what i think.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:40pm
Just read the first few sentences and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a gravitational pull greater then the speed of life.
Ok, finished. Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star? I don't really follow.
I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:43pm
Darur wrote:
Just read the first few sentences and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a gravitational pull greater then the speed of life, I'll edit when I finish. | Black holes are created when I giant star runs out of fuel and the star "dies" then a black hole is created, and I could very well be wrong but from my sources (some stuff about Stephan Hawking and other stuff) they say that black holes do "collapse" or at least come to an end. but, I could be wrong, it happens a lot
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Posted By: kickinwing2010
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:44pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
[QUOTE=Darur]Just read the first few sentences
and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a
gravitational pull greater then the speed of life, I'll edit when I finish. [/
QUOTE] Black holes are created when I giant star runs out of fuel and the
star "dies" then a black hole is created, and I could very well be wrong but
from my sources (some stuff about Stephan Hawking and other stuff) they
say that black holes do "collapse" or at least come to an end. but, I could
be wrong, it happens a lot |
i say your both rite
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:52pm
__sneaky__ wrote:
Darur wrote:
Just read the first few sentences and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a gravitational pull greater then the speed of life, I'll edit when I finish. | Black holes are created when I giant star runs out of fuel and the star "dies" then a black hole is created, and I could very well be wrong but from my sources (some stuff about Stephan Hawking and other stuff) they say that black holes do "collapse" or at least come to an end. but, I could be wrong, it happens a lot |
No
Black holes are often misunderstood because of the common misconception they "collapse". This is true, but it doesn't cause the black hole to form, its a by product.
All a black hole really is is a huge mass with a tremendous gravitational pull, so strong light cannot escape. As you know all bodies have gravity. Its often measured in "escape velocity", or the necessary speed for an object to resist the pull of gravity. On earth its roughly 7 miles per second. With a black hole, there is so much matter and thus so much gravity that the escape velocity is over 299,792,458 m/s, making it impossible for light to escape.
I suggest you read these articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/bh_pub_faq.html - http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/bh_pub_faq.html
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 12:03am
I thought gravity was relative to distance and mass of objects, not a quantity that they just happen to have..
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 12:06am
High Voltage wrote:
I thought gravity was relative to distance and mass of objects, not a quantity that they just happen to have.. | well it is, depending on the theory you follow, as opposed to the dark matter I discussed in my theory, "variable gravity" is another theory used to exsplain that problem. which as I'm sure you guessed, is variable, its not a very high held theory tho
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 12:11am
So provide some math to back up your theory?
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 12:30am
Accoring to my caluclations.. Jesus is returning in 07 to colapse many black holes.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 2:21am
At least it's an improvement on Genesis...
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 2:39am
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Actually, the black hole is just a super compact star. It's gravitational force is no different than that of the star it was created from, it's just a lot more focused. If our sun were to instantly collapse into a diameter of 2km, a black hole would be formed. That won't happen, however. Black holes can only be created by a star with a mass at least 38 times as great as our sun's. Our sun will just expand (ultimately engulfing Mercury, Venus and Earth and charring Mars), then violently shed off it's outer gases in a supernova explosion, forming a planetary nebula around a white dwarf star.
Black holes aren't even holes.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 7:53am
Just as a lil disclaimer to my own sanity (which is questionable as it is...) I dont really think this is how we all came to be, its against the laws of thermodynamics, but I figured I could have some fun with it... so, ya. And the sad thing is, It still makes a lot more sence then most of the theories surrounding this issue *coughbiblecough* but ill see if I can come up with some equation for HV, till then... well I dunno talk about ducks or somthing
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 8:01am

Sorry whenever I hear black holes and space stuff all I can think about is Stargate SG-1 and man Samantha is hot
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 8:02am
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Darur wrote:
Ok, finished. Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star? I don't really follow.
I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
| Not that EVERY star becomes a black hole, but many do, and those black holes created will also suck in the energy and matter of other stars around it, It scavenges whats left behind of other things and sucks them in, Its kinda like a pair of headders on a car, dont get me wrong, not every ounce of energy out there will get scavenged by a black hole, but some. If every star was renewed then our universe would last a whole lot longer then we can prove the universe, or at least the earth, has.
I know its confusing stuff. And I'll check that book out, see if I cant learn a thing or two (like how to spell)
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 11:09am
__sneaky__ wrote:
Darur wrote:
Ok, finished. Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star? I don't really follow.
I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
| Not that EVERY star becomes a black hole, but many do, and those black holes created will also suck in the energy and matter of other stars around it, It scavenges whats left behind of other things and sucks them in, Its kinda like a pair of headders on a car, dont get me wrong, not every ounce of energy out there will get scavenged by a black hole, but some. If every star was renewed then our universe would last a whole lot longer then we can prove the universe, or at least the earth, has.
I know its confusing stuff. And I'll check that book out, see if I cant learn a thing or two (like how to spell) |
Actually very few stars do... Most burn out and fade away like a hollywood actor. Very few pull a Tom Cruise, collapse into insanity and suck in everything around them.
Dammit. Must stop using weird metaphors...
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 12:10pm
brihard wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
Darur wrote:
Ok, finished. Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star? I don't really follow.
I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
| Not that EVERY star becomes a black hole, but many do, and those black holes created will also suck in the energy and matter of other stars around it, It scavenges whats left behind of other things and sucks them in, Its kinda like a pair of headders on a car, dont get me wrong, not every ounce of energy out there will get scavenged by a black hole, but some. If every star was renewed then our universe would last a whole lot longer then we can prove the universe, or at least the earth, has.
I know its confusing stuff. And I'll check that book out, see if I cant learn a thing or two (like how to spell) |
Actually very few stars do... Most burn out and fade away like a hollywood actor. Very few pull a Tom Cruise, collapse into insanity and suck in everything around them.
Dammit. Must stop using weird metaphors...
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Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 3:58pm
No human on this planet, as of right now, can even put a dent in explaining 'the universe' and all of it's mightiness.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 4:02pm
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I agree that there is quite a ways to go, but I would have to say that we have collectively put quite a dent in the explanation.
As noted above, everybody should read "A Brief History of Time". Even though that book is now obsolete, it is an excellent primer on the subject.
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Posted By: usafpilot07
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 4:57pm
Our star isn't great enough to form a black whole.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 5:39pm
I'm too busy with political science and human rights stuff right now, Clark.
I'll start reading Hawking once I've got my first couple degrees... As it stands I have a rather extensive reading list in criminology, psychology, sociology, human rights, political science, and political philosophy (not to mention the normal intermingling of classic fiction necessary in any of those) before I can indulge in anything further. I made the mistake of buying three books by Michael Ignatieff, as well as Conrad's heart of darkness in the past couple days. Right now I'm hooked.
Thank God my girlfriend's family owns a bookstore and I get 35% off...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 03 January 2007 at 7:59pm
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brihard wrote:
I'm too busy with political science and human rights stuff right now, Clark.
I'll start reading Hawking once I've got my first couple degrees... As it stands I have a rather extensive reading list in criminology, psychology, sociology, human rights, political science, and political philosophy (not to mention the normal intermingling of classic fiction necessary in any of those) before I can indulge in anything further. I made the mistake of buying three books by Michael Ignatieff, as well as Conrad's heart of darkness in the past couple days. Right now I'm hooked.
Thank God my girlfriend's family owns a bookstore and I get 35% off...
| uhhh... well good luck with that...
ANYWAYS! ok but lets just say that the black hole would act as I talk about earlier, think it might actually work?
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 1:33am
Sorry. I have a bad tendency to ramble.
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 4:23pm
usafpilot07 wrote:
Our star isn't great enough to form a black whole.
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What about a black half?
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 4:48pm
Brian Fellows wrote:
usafpilot07 wrote:
Our star isn't great enough to form a black whole.
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What about a black half?
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3/5ths?
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 5:26pm
The earth is only 6,000 years old.
Bible said so.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 05 January 2007 at 12:44am
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
The earth is only 6,000 years old.
Bible said so.
| it also said a 3 headed dragon is gunna pop outta the sea and take over the world...
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 11:41pm
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High Voltage wrote:
So provide some math to back up your theory? | First of all, I know this topic is dead and hasnt been touched in weeks... but I got really really bored in science class today and came up with it... (yet again sorry I'm bringing this back up, but I got nothing better to do.) okay HV my equation goes
M x G = C2 x M = e
which basically says Mass times the extreame gravity (M x G) of the black hole equals that mass traveling at the speed of light (C2 x M) which according to einstien's theory of e=MC2 then C2 x M = energy.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 11:53pm
Where did the mass come from??
BOOYAH I SHOT A HOLE IN YOUR THEORY.
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 11:57pm
brihard wrote:
I'm too busy with political science and human rights stuff right now, Clark.I'll start reading Hawking once I've got my first couple degrees... As it stands I have a rather extensive reading list in criminology, psychology, sociology, human rights, political science, and political philosophy (not to mention the normal intermingling of classic fiction necessary in any of those) before I can indulge in anything further. I made the mistake of buying three books by Michael Ignatieff, as well as Conrad's heart of darkness in the past couple days. Right now I'm hooked.Thank God my girlfriend's family owns a bookstore and I get 35% off...
| I just did a paper on Conrad, Heart of Darkness was great, but I didn't get to enjoy it fully, as I wasn't reading for enjoyment.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 12:11am
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
Where did the mass come from??
BOOYAH I SHOT A HOLE IN YOUR THEORY.
Jesus still loves you. God made the earth. Read the bible. | crap floaten around in space, astroids, meteors, rock, dust, etc.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 12:26am
__sneaky__ wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
Where did the mass come from??
BOOYAH I SHOT A HOLE IN YOUR THEORY.
Jesus still loves you. God made the earth. Read the bible. | crap floaten around in space, astroids, meteors, rock, dust, etc. |
Well where did that stuff come from?
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 12:29am
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
__sneaky__ wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
Where did the mass come from??
BOOYAH I SHOT A HOLE IN YOUR THEORY.
Jesus still loves you. God made the earth. Read the bible. | crap floaten around in space, astroids, meteors, rock, dust, etc. |
Well where did that stuff come from?
| If your really trying to imply that god made all this stuff, I'll use your own question, where did god come from? if he always exsisted then whats not to say that all this stuff has always exsisted, that no one created it... you may think it sounds dumb but its basically what your saying.
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 12:38am
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i think the answer to these questions is simply, there is no answer. We, as mankind, have grown too complex, and simply, think the world and the meaning of life as very complex. When really, the answer is "it just is". There are many things that cannot be answered, like the Hornet Spooklight. For all you non-missourians, the Spooklight is a ball of light that appears every 2-3 days at inconsistant times. Noone knows the source. and it doesn't emit any light, like a flashlight, or any other kind of typical light would. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooklight - Wiki .
btw, i'm just throwing my hat into the ring, i respect everyone's points of views. Lets keep this debate civilized please.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 12:40am
Styro Folme wrote:
i think the answer to these questions is simply, there is no answer. We, as mankind, have grown too complex, and simply, think the world and the meaning of life as very complex. When really, the answer is "it just is". There are many things that cannot be answered, like the Hornet Spooklight. For all you non-missourians, the Spooklight is a ball of light that appears every 2-3 days at inconsistant times. Noone knows the source. and it doesn't emit any light, like a flashlight, or any other kind of typical light would. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooklight - Wiki .
btw, i'm just throwing my hat into the ring, i respect everyone's points of views. Lets keep this debate civilized please. | ya know I've lived in missouri my whole life, and live pretty close to the spooklight considering... and I've never gone too see it, we need to do that somtime when your down styro...
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 12:42am
^^^dude, it's effin nuts. we'll do that on valentine's day weekend 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 9:53am
__sneaky__ wrote:
... my equation goes
M x G = C2 x M = e
which basically says Mass times the extreame gravity (M x G) of the black hole equals that mass traveling at the speed of light (C2 x M) which according to einstien's theory of e=MC2 then C2 x M = energy.
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Not to get all nitpicky, but...
M cancels out, so your equation basically is G = C^2.
C is measured in m/s, so C^2 measured in m^2/s^2
G is measured in m/s^2
So you are missing an element of distance (m) for this to work. Not to mention, of course, that c is a constant, whereas g is most certainly not a constant.
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 11:52am
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
The earth is only 6,000 years old.
Bible said so.
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First off here is my reply to that, which I stated in another thread;
Mt. Vigilante wrote:
I am a Christian as all of you probably know, and I can tell you that the Bible makes no claims to how old the earth is, it doesn't even come out and say just how many years it has been since Adam was alive. We can make some guesses based on the Genealogies in the Bible on just how many years it has been since Adam, and it seems to be about 6,000 years, but just remember, before the fall of Adam and Eve mankind was immortal according to the Bible, so we dont know just how many years it was from the time of creation untill the time of the fall of man, it could have been millions even billions of years.
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Now as for your theory sneaky, as well as other similar theories, being incompatible with the Bible and Christianity, I'm sorry but that is a misconception. You must remember the Bible says very little about the creation of the universe, it starts with the creation of the earth, and it actually says basically that the earth and the solar system was formed from a nebula, I quote;
" Now the earth was formless and empty,..." -Genesis 1:2
And it also says that the sun was created before the earth;
" And God said, ' Let there be light, ' and there was light. And God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. " -Genesis 1: 3-4 So you see the Bible stated thousands of years ago what science now recognizes as fact. And as for the creation of the universe, I fail to see how the "Big Bang" theory is incompatible whith the Bible. The matter that was compressed untill it exploded in the "big bang" had to come from somewhere, how is it impossible to have God as the one who created the matter, compressed it, then released it and guided it in order to create the universe? In fact myself, as well as most Christians, see the thoery as not only compatible with the Bible, but the most likely possiblity for the creation of the universe.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 2:07pm
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GOD SAID that He created the heavens and the earth in six literal days. When
you track the genealogical record in God's Word you will discover that the earth
is just over 6,000 years old.
MAN SAID, "That's absurd! Every intelligent human knows that the earth
is billions of years old. That's just another reason to discard that archaic
Bible."
Now THE RECORD. You have probably sat in a school classroom and heard or someone
has said to you that the world is billions of years old or that bones have been
discovered that are millions of years old. The next opportunity you have in
such a setting ask the individual to prove it. If you find someone who attempts
to prove their old age position, they will typically march out flawed circular
reasoning or dating systems built up upon unprovable assumptions. The results
of their dating systems have been proven wrong numerous times. The reason the
anti-God group has never proven its position is quite simple and that is that
their position simply isn't true. Keep in mind that proof is established by
two or more reliable witnesses. Where are their witnesses? Recorded history
goes back approximately 5,000 years and comes to an abrupt halt and the reason
for that is obvious...there isn't much history prior to that point.
Because the evolutionists have no recorded history of man prior to the 6,000
plus years declared in God's Word which is a reliable history book and witness,
the anti-Bible groups have no witnesses to support their pre-6,000 years old
claims. In order to debunk the authority of God's Word they created an armada
of pseudoscientific theories and techniques designed to offset their lack of
witnesses...their lack of proof.
I mentioned earlier flawed circular reasoning. For example, if you asked the
evolutionists to date a particular fossil they would certify its age by telling
you what strata it was found in. And if you pursued and asked how you can tell
the age of particular strata they would tell you by the age of the fossil found
in it. That kind of sounds like the dog chasing its tail, doesn't it?
I also mentioned erroneous dating techniques. Carbon-14 which is a dating technique
used to date once living things is probably the dating system with the most
notoriety. After a living thing dies it begins to decay and Carbon-14 decays
back to Nitrogen-14. By measuring the levels of Carbon-14 left in the dead specimen
a scientist estimates its age. The carbon-14 process has proven far from perfect.
On numerous occasions Carbon-14 measurements have shown living things to be
of ancient ages as well as attaching ages to dead things, of which their ages
have been certified, far older than they actually are. Regarding radiocarbon
dating, Dr. G. E. Aardsma, Chairman of the Astro/Geophysics Dept. of the ICR
Graduate School, had this to say:
At the present time it appears that the conventional radiocarbon dating technique
is on relatively firm ground for dates which fall within the past 3,000 years.
In spite of this 3,000 year limit, anti-creationists have thrown out ages of
70,000 years and more as a result of radiocarbon dating.
Most, due to lack of real interest, are unaware there is a mountain of information
to support a 6,000 year old earth. There are 107 scientific measurements alone
that prove the earth to be young; scientific research concerning things such
as population statistics and the fossil record to Helium in the atmosphere to
erosion of the continents.
Perplexing news concerning recent dinosaur bones unearthed in Alaska should
have sent a lot of the old-earth proponents back to their bunkers to attempt
to shore up their theories. According to the anti-Bible folks there was a huge
catastrophe that killed off all the dinosaurs around 70 million years ago. M.
Helder in a 1992 article titled, "Fresh Dinosaur Bones Found," published
in Creation ex nihilo, Vol. 14, the following information was found:
She could not accept that fresh (not permineralized, meaning unfossilized)
dinosaur bones had been found in Alaska. Such bones could never have lasted
70 million years, she said. Unlikely or not, it is a fact that such bones
have been found...How these bones could have remained in fresh condition for
70 million years is a perplexing question. One thing is certain: they were
not preserved by cold. Everyone recognizes that the climate in these regions
was much warmer during the time when the dinosaurs lived...Why then did these
bones not decay long ago?...The obvious conclusion is that these bones were
deposited in relatively recent times.
Scientists at the University of Montana were shocked when they found T. rex
bones that were not totally fossilized. Not only were the bones not fossilized
but they appeared to have blood cells which would be impossible if they were
millions of years old. The following is part of the report issued by the scientists:
A thin slice of T. rex bone glowed amber beneath the lens of my microscope...the
lab filled with murmurs of amazement, for I had focused on something inside
the vessels that none of us had ever noticed before: tiny round objects, translucent
red with a dark center...red blood cells? The shape and location suggested
them, but blood cells are mostly water and couldn't possibly have stayed preserved
in the 65-million-year old tyrannosaur.
The bone sample that had us so excited came from a beautiful, nearly complete
specimen of Tyrannosaurus rex unearthed in 1990...When the team brought the
dinosaur into the lab, we noticed that some parts deep inside the long bone
of the leg had not completely fossilzed...So far, we think that all of this
evidence supports the notion that our slices of T. rex could contain preserved
heme as hemoglobin fragments. But more work needs to be done before we are
confident enough to come right out and say, "Yes, this T. rex has blood
compounds left in its tissues."
In another effort to make fossils speak in new ways, post-graduate student
Mary Schweitzer has been trying to extract DNA from the bones of T. rex. Originally,
like Kristi, she had intended to thin-section the bones and conduct a histologic
investigation. But under the microscope there appeared to be blood cells preserved
within the bone tissue. Mary conducted a number of tests in an attempt to
rule out the possibility that what she'd discovered were in fact blood cells.
The tests instead confirmed her initial interpretation.
Author, popular lecturer and broadcaster Ken Ham weighed in with the following
comment on this subject:
These red blood cells provide excellent evidence that these fossils are not
millions of years old, but are no more than a few thousand years old.
Ancient historic accounts, the Bible and thousands of local sightings testify
of dinosaurs and fiery flying serpents in recorded history. Even in this present
day reports of dinosaur-like creatures exist. For example, in the publication
Science Digest, 1981, and in Science Frontiers, number 3367, they
recorded that explorers and native Africans reported sightings of dinosaur-like
creatures. In the February 6, 1980, issue of the Australian Melbourne Sun
it was reported that over recent years 40 people claimed to have seen plesiosaurs
off the Victorian coast of Australia.
For more exciting information about dinosaurs, click on to "Dinosaurs"
on this web site.
The earth's population also testifies of the earth's age. By taking the earth's
present percent of population growth and taking into account the history of
Earth's abnormalities and then by simply calculating backwards we should be
able to get a bead on the age of our earth. In an article titled "Creation
vs. Evolution" I found this following interesting calculation:
Today the population grows at 2% per year. If we set the population growth
rate at just 0.5% per year, then total population reduces to zero at about
4500 years ago. If the first humans lived 1,000,000 years ago, then at this
0.5% growth rate, we would have 10^2100 (ten with 2100 zeroes following it)
people right now. If the present population was a result of 1,000,000 years
of human history, then several trillion people must have lived and died since
the emergence of our species. Where are all the bones? And finally, if the
population was sufficiently small until only recently, then how could a correspondingly
infinitesimally small number of mutations have evolved the human race?
The earth's magnetic field also points to a very, very young earth. Scientists
believe that the earth is a large electromagnet and the source of the magnetic
field is probably a large electric current. In 1971, Dr. T. Barnes theorized
that nothing keeps the earth going except its own inertia. Because it is not
being refueled with energy the Barnes theory says that the current is running
down slowly like a flywheel without a motor. Consequently the strength of the
earth's magnetic field is decreasing. Since the first measurement of the earth's
magnetic field in 1835, it has lost 7% of its strength. According to the Barnes
model the strength of the magnetic field should decrease by a constant rate
each year and the data is consistent with just such a decrease. Present data
points to a magnetic field which has lost one-half of its force over the past
1,400 years. Following this line backwards it is clear to see that Earth's age
should be measured in thousands, such as in 6,000, and not billions of years.
Russell Humphreys, Ph.D., is an ICR Adjunct Professor of Physics and as of 1993,
a physicist at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico. He had this to say:
As measured by clocks on earth, the age of the universe today could be as
small as the face-value biblical age of about 6,000 years.
The earth is very young...6,000 years young and we can prove it.
GOD SAID He created the earth in six literal days about 6,000 years ago.
MAN SAID, "That's absurd."
Now you have THE RECORD.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 2:18pm
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That was actually a very, very interesting read Whale.....can you post or PM me the link you dug that up from?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 2:23pm
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That looks very familiar... I'm pretty sure it's an ICR piece. http://www.icr.org - www.icr.org .
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 2:31pm
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I found it on a random search in a lab across campus.
No idea if I could find it again.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 2:49pm
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Not ICR. Found it here: http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=262&ItemID=668 - http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=262&ItemID =668
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 3:15pm
One problem whith what you stated in your massively large post tae kwon do; yes the Bible says that the earth was created in six days, and I absolutely believe that, the Bible also says ( through the genealogys and other sources) that about 6,000 years has passed since Adam was alive, that I also believe to be true. Now what the Bible does not cover is how much time elapsed from God completeing the creation of the universe ( which culminated in the creation of Man) and the fall of Mankind.
Since Adam and Eve were immortal before they sinned you cannot dismiss the fact that it is possible and does not go against the Bible for that amount of time between thier creation and thier sin to possibly have been billions of years.
Now am I saying that the universe is definately billions of years old? Absolutely not, it is also possible that the universe is only 6,000 years old. All I am saying is that the Bible makes no claims either way, and thus we should not be saying that it does.
Now that I have said that I want to make something very clear; God does not care how old you think the universe is. How do I know this? Read the entire Bible, what is its theme? Its theme is not the age of the universe or how God made it, its theme and its purpose is our ( as in mankind ) relationship with God through Jesus Christ. All these arguements about how the universe caime to be and its age are trivial, God only cares about two things; 1) That you do acknowlege the fact that he is the soul creator of the universe and 2) And this is far more important than the first thing; that you follow and love God with all your heart, mind, spirit, body, and streangth. That is all that matters to God, and in order to do this you have to accept Jesus Christ as your King, whom is a part of God.
That, my friends, is the soul theme of the Bible.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:01pm
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MT. Vigilante wrote:
One problem whith what you stated in your massively large post tae kwon do; yes the Bible says ... |
Another problem being the massive amount of completely false statements. But I digress.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:05pm
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Come on Clark.
I am not finding this stuff for my health you know.
It is getting harder and harder to poke the wisdom out of you as of late.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:37pm
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Ok, Whale, this one is just for you:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
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That beats even the Chewbacca defense.
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 6:50pm
Personally I think this whole thing sucks. I mean here we are. But someday we may not be around anymore. It sucks enough that we have to die. But I mean, if there is no god, and there is no afterlife, no heaven, then we just disappear and thats that. its rather depressing really. because eventually if all this is true, and everyone does die, and the universe dies, then what was the point?
Its a good thing I believe in god or I'd drive myself insane.
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 11:13pm
Kristofer wrote:
Personally I think this whole thing sucks. I mean here we are. But someday we may not be around anymore. It sucks enough that we have to die. But I mean, if there is no god, and there is no afterlife, no heaven, then we just disappear and thats that. its rather depressing really. because eventually if all this is true, and everyone does die, and the universe dies, then what was the point?
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Some Christian you are. "It sucks we have to die". If you really believed in your religion, and you really believed you would go some place better when you died, you would not be of the opinion that it sucks we have to die.
What does afterlife change, in way of there being a point? If there is an afterlife then you wasted up to 100 years on Earth before you were able to get to that magnificent place. If there is no after life then you wasted 100 years hopefully doing what you love, with someone you love creating and raising kids you love, having the time of your life (pun intended).
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Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 31 January 2007 at 11:51am
Hysteria wrote:
Kristofer wrote:
Personally I think this whole thing sucks. I mean here we are. But someday we may not be around anymore. It sucks enough that we have to die. But I mean, if there is no god, and there is no afterlife, no heaven, then we just disappear and thats that. its rather depressing really. because eventually if all this is true, and everyone does die, and the universe dies, then what was the point?
Its a good thing I believe in god or I'd drive myself insane. |
Some Christian you are. "It sucks we have to die". If you really believed in your religion, and you really believed you would go some place better when you died, you would not be of the opinion that it sucks we have to die.
What does afterlife change, in way of there being a point? If there is an afterlife then you wasted up to 100 years on Earth before you were able to get to that magnificent place. If there is no after life then you wasted 100 years hopefully doing what you love, with someone you love creating and raising kids you love, having the time of your life (pun intended).
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What he is saying is that dieing whould suck IF There Was No God.
And as for "wasting your life" here on earth before you die, and then go to heaven ( If you are a follower of Christ ). It may seem like we are wasting our lives but infact we are not, we are preparing for the next life. You see, we know that earth is not paradise, why should it be if God is preparing us for something far better? Infact, ever since mankind fell into sin, God meant for life on earth to be difficult in order to test and teach us. You see, you can choose to live as though earth were paradise ( that does not mean it necessarily will be for you ) or you can live focused on the true paradise. So, we are not wasting our lives at all, infact, we know that living as though earth were paradise whould be a true waste of our lives because then when we die, we whould have accomplished nothing.
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 31 January 2007 at 2:37pm
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I for one, have my set of beliefs, and the only way I'll know if I'm wrong or not is to die and find out.
Until then, theories go hang, and leave me alone. 
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Posted By: scotchyscotch
Date Posted: 31 January 2007 at 3:42pm
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You're all wrong. I think you'll find the answer to life the universe and everything is in fact 42.
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