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Topic: angel trouble.

Posted By: DsXz
Subject: angel trouble.
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 5:15pm

this is frustrating me beyond beleif, i cant go thru 100 rounds without chopping.
1: using nightmare paint in 50* weather
2: doesnt chop untill i start to shoot faster
3: turned down max rof to 10bps--did better but still chopped
4: v35 halo-tried every setting but get same result
5: my ball stop does work
6: my insert isnt too small
7: chronoing at ~280
8: turned cops delay to max( wont fire faster than like 7bps without a ball in the chamber)
9: ive used the same balls in my qloaded super r/t tippy n i never chopped
i cant think of any other reason that would make it chop, i feel like quitting :'(

forgot to add that i have a 03 ir3 - i never shoot faster than 15bps

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Posted By: AngelSlayer
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 5:20pm

eyes?

what color is the shell, some eyes have trouble recognizing certain paint colors and shines

chech the bolt and chamber for any debris...i dont know

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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 5:27pm

c.o.p.s not eyes. uses a little pin int eh bottom of the chamber to detect the ball, if it doesnt feel one it stops firing.

even if i did have eyes, i shouldnt need them shootin 10 bps with a halo..

either way the shell is red/yellow :(

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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 6:04pm

could be the weather my man. 50* is right there at the cusp where normal paint gets brittle and winter paint starts becoming useful. is it definitely a chop? is their paint on the bolt? or is it a barrel break? what is your dwell at?

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Posted By: southernboy51
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 6:26pm

Your dwell is probably too high, same thing happened to me and I turned it down and it stopped.

Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 6:31pm

dwell=18 and theyre deffinetly chops the chamber +bolt r covered

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 6:59pm

18 should be good enough. Can you adjust the ram in iR3s? If so, make sure the bolt pin clicks against the back of the hammer. That's all I can say, and if you still have problems go to http://www.fixmyangel.com - www.fixmyangel.com and ask in the forums. Bob will fix you up.

Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 7:05pm

the bolt breech will fall open if i tilt it to teh side witht he back pin pulled, i guess thats not good. how will that change the situation? will that minute of a change fix it?

also forgot to add that its basically stock aside from a uni+freak kit
will a diffrent bolt help?

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 7:07pm

If the ram works like the LP generation, absolutely.

Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 11:07pm

Does it need a soft face bolt? Maybe you are getting roll back?

Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 11:12pm

Poor ram adjustment will cause bad rollback. Rollback in and of itself is not bad, but if the ram is misadjusted it can get messy.

Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 7:39am

whats roll back? o_O

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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 12:31pm

are the batteries in your hopper good? and check the anti chop pin make sure its clean... with that many breaks some times shell will jam it so it feels like it always has a round in.

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Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 4:24pm

batteries r fine, and the pins clean, i tested it a couple times n it "passes"

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 6:14pm

DsXz wrote:

whats roll back? o_O

The bolt in pre G7's has to sit back (not parallel) to the breech. Because of this, when a ball is chambered it "rolls back" until it rests on the face of the bolt. Because of the ball not being centered in the chamber, another ball can partially load. This ball can be clipped by the bolt as it fires the chambered ball.

To prevent this problem, the ram must be set to catch the bolt pin on the rear of the hammer. If it's set to catch the front, choppage results.

Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 6:47pm

i did that before and it does roll back alot, half the ball disapears O_O

do after market bolts fix this too? seems like if the bolt was 1/4inch longer this wouldnt happen

*edit* brb gonna do some fiddling

oh also, diffrent problem i forgot about, i was at some indoor reball place with some freinds(id never go there by myself, the place sucks..) and they require the fps ~200, so ok no problem i go to the chrono and adjust it to 200...a few games later a kid i hit shows me a huge welt, and im like wow, im gonna go chrono again..
so im at the chrono and the first shot registered 280 then went back to 200~ everyshot after that...waited 1 min, did it again with th same result 270+/200/199/198/201/200

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 6:49pm

If the bolt was a quarter inch longer, it wouldn't fit.

Seriously. Check your ram positioning. Also... What's your LPR?

Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 6:52pm

i have no way of checkin my lpr pressure, i need a special tool for that, no?

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 7:03pm

Yes you do. The first shot too high thing is generally because the dwell is a little too low, but yours is severe.

If you want to fight with it, go to http://www.fixmyangel.com/catalog-product50 - http://www.fixmyangel.com/catalog-product50 and get the one meant for LEDs-05 Spds. This kit includes a ram removal tool, snap ring adjuster (new can of worms that I don't know anything about), LPR extraction tool, and an LPR guage.

Honestly though, I would rather send it in to Bob and have him fix it up for you. That way, you aren't buying something and still not knowing what the problem is. He will charge you x number of dollars and he'll send it back to you in good working order and you'll never* have to worry about it again.

If you live on the east coast, send it to impact paintball.

Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 7:10pm

im gonna bring it back to rainman(bought it from him) he said hes gonna take it apart n tune it n show me how to do it. i have the ram tool but i can only get a few turns either way with it b4 it stops turning, is that normal? or is it stuck?

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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 7:12pm

Doesn't the soft face bolt eliminate a lot of roll back. Thats all I have heard from my friend that has had those problems before.

Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 7:14pm

Yeah, but that's a bandaid to this situation.

Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 09 January 2007 at 10:58pm

I see your thread on FMA.

Any new developments? It sounds like your snapring is misadjusted, too.