Way to go DoD
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Topic: Way to go DoD
Posted By: Kristofer
Subject: Way to go DoD
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 7:58am
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16648850/ - Iran Gets Spare Parts
Just read that this morning at work... just a little bit scary. |
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Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 9:05am
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There's something deep that's going on in world politics that we're not hearing about. It makes absolutely no sense for the DoD to be selling weapons to a country that has rallies against us every week after one of the Friday prayers. I doubt it was any mistake that this happened like some articles seem to be saying.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 10:18am
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I don't doubt it was a mistake. Huge bureaucracies are hard to keep complete track of, especially in the things they don't specialize in...They screwed up and didn't keep track of who was buying their extra/old crap....I don't see it as that bigga deal really though...We could still give probably any nation in the world(sans China?) a good stomping in any conventional military conflict....assuming we have the manpower... -------------  |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 10:33am
They weren't selling directly to Iran. They were selling to middlemen who had set up seemingly legit business fronts. The DoD offers up stuff for public auction all the time. It's hard to keep track of who has what business liscense, etc. Iran's military depends heavily on US technology to stay ahead of the pack over in the mid-east. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Tolgak wrote:Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 10:38am
Exactly, the only Country I'd be terrified to go against is Japan, or Russia. (Russia still has way to many nukes, and if We go to war against Japan we not only bring back old Grudges, but alot of our Technology would be cut off). ------------- 
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 12:28pm
Youre kidding me right? Recent war games with Taiwan show that the Chinese could win simply because US Commanders are not thinking outsite the box. Needless to say it is a war game, and only a war game, but still as wrong as most war games go to show, its a possibility that needs to be looked at because of the size of their armed forces. That and wasnt there also instance with Israel selling weapons we gave them to China? Also, any technology China gets from the US, being it new or old may be better than what they currently have, thus increasing their knowledge of our systems, and them utilizing our systems against us. And they save money on R&D playing catch up |
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 12:49pm
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Just a point for understanding:
If we sell the Republic of Umpah our XYZ Intercept Radar, we already know its frequencies, and counters, and effectively negate its use against us, without massive R+D into finding the information on a Republic of Umpah home designed ABC Radar. We sell our weapons technology to foreign states all the time, mostly 1st or 2nd generations of the system, while we are operating on Generation 5 of the same technology for the reasons stated above. ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 12:53pm
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^True^
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 2:03pm
| Iran likes our stuff. Why they'd rip off the M-16 I can't fathom beyond possibility of using NATO mags and ammunition. The F-14 isn't even in service anymore, I wouldn't be too concerned if they manage to keep them working for a few more years before canabilizing the rest of them. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 3:28pm
Not to mention the fact that any airframe or weapon system we export is severely "watered down" Any nation we've ever sold a US airframe to is stripped of all advanced avionics and is given inferior weapons, radar, and tracking equipment as well as less powerful engines. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 4:28pm
Those wargames are generally held for the benefit of the smaller nations, and U.S. commanders will restrict themselves to certain 'textbook' strategies known to be employed by potential enemies. Furthermore, U.S. assets will rarely be sued to their full capability, as they're subject to certain handicaps in terms of weapon effectiveness, engagement range, etc etc- this is the reasoning behind that farcical report a few years ago about India 'winning' an exercise against a U.S. carrier fleet. Noone who's *actually* fought the U.S. has had any luck in a straight up fight so far... Wargames aren't just a 'hey, let's play at a war' sort of thing. They're designed to test specific strategies, to rehearse certain contingencies, etc. the games against Taiwan, for instance, likely involved the U.S. playing a notional Chinese aggressor, and using Chinese tactics and analogous capabilities- which are significantly behind the U.S. in terms of technology and tactical refinement. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |