Robert Pickton Trial
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Topic: Robert Pickton Trial
Posted By: choopie911
Subject: Robert Pickton Trial
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 11:24am
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So I dont know how much coverage this is getting in the states, but I know there are news teams from around the world here right now for this. The Pickton trial is taking place in New Westminster (a part of greater Vancouver)
If you dont know what this trial is about, read below...but I warn you: I'm assuming it's ok to post, as this is an international news story, and a scary one at that. " Severed heads stuffed with lopped-off hands and feet were found plunked in buckets on the pig farm of accused serial killer Robert Pickton, jurors heard yesterday, on the opening day of the massive trial. "He murdered them, butchered their remains and disposed of them," alleged Crown prosecutor Derrill Prevett of the Port Coquitlam pig farmer charged in 2002 with first-degree murder in the killings of six women, all who'd been struggling to survive on Vancouver's notorious Downtown Eastside. Pickton has been charged with the killings of 26 women. This trial, however, deals only with Georgina Papin, Sereena Abotsway, Mona Wilson, Andrea Joesbury, Brenda Wolfe and Marnie Frey. Pickton has pleaded not guilty on all counts. Prevett yesterday detailed the extensive search of Pickton's Port Coquitlam farm. Only partial remains of each victim have ever been found, he said. The heads of Abotsway and Joesbury, along with their hands and feet, were found in buckets in the farm's workshop. They were stored in a freezer. The heads had been cut in half vertically, probably with a power saw. Each had been shot in the back of the head with a .22 calibre gun, Prevett said. Wilson's head, feet and hands were found in a garbage can outside the farm's slaughterhouse. Her skull had also been "expertly bisected," Prevett said, adding she had also been shot in the back of the head with a .22. For the three remaining victims, Prevett said evidence will show only fragments of bones were found. The right half off Wolfe's jaw was found among debris in a trough. She was identified by DNA extracted from the jaw's eye-teeth. Wolfe's DNA was also found on a key to a pair of handcuffs stuffed in a duffel bag containing guns, leg irons and jewelry. All that remained of Papin, Prevett said, were the bones of her left hand. Frey's lower jawbone containing three teeth was found buried in the ground. In a laundry room in Pickton's trailer, jurors heard that police officers found a revolver in a zippered gun case. Prevett said the barrel of the gun was wrapped in plastic, bound with an elastic and had a dildo fitted over it. The revolver had one spent casing and was loaded with five rounds, he said. Prevett's opening statement - which is not considered evidence, but an outline of what the Crown intends to prove - also alluded to grisly details of the police investigation that led to Pickton being charged with first-degree murder in 2002. Prevett said that when Pickton was arrested in relation to Abotsway's death, he was taken to the Surrey RCMP station for questioning. While he sat in a cell, a cop posing as another prisoner joined him. Their 11 hours together was captured entirely on hidden video, and Prevett said that when the jury sees it, they'll watch Pickton hold up his hands to the undercover cop, one palm open and one fist closed, indicating the number 50 and then laugh. Forensic analysis later showed the DNA of Pickton and of Wilson were on the revolver. But Pickton's defence lawyer, Peter Ritchie, warned the jury to listen to both sides of the story. "Mr. Pickton did not kill or participate in the killing of the six women," Ritchie said, asking the jurors for patience. "This will not be a simple case involving simple explanations or obvious conclusions," Ritchie said. " Pickton: 
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 11:35am
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I hope the state he is in still has the death penalty
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 11:38am
Canada |
RicWhic414 wrote:Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 12:03pm
Jerk. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 12:12pm
| He seems like a classy individual. |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 12:45pm
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wow, thats <effed> up. he needs to rot/die. ------------- 
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Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 12:46pm
Sorry miss that part... Does Canada have the death penalty... maybe death by moose ------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 1:38pm
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" In a laundry room in Pickton's trailer, jurors heard that police officers found a revolver in a zippered gun case. Prevett said the barrel of the gun was wrapped in plastic, bound with an elastic and had a dildo fitted over it. The revolver had one spent casing and was loaded with five rounds, he said." That's isn't out of the ordinary AT ALL... |
Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 3:50pm
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what the hell. ------------- 
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Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 4:30pm
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Ok bring back the death penalty.(just for this guy) ------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: Predatorr
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 4:45pm
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his face just screams "I did it" |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 4:52pm
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no, and i am usually strongly against it (extremely against it) but this would be an excepion. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 5:10pm
| Yeah, I guess he got bummed out that he couldnt get that "even 50". |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 5:22pm
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aparently he's killed many more. ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 5:37pm
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Sick,sick man.
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Posted By: 636andy636.
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 5:48pm
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Death penalty's are dumb. Spending the rest of your life in jail sounds worse than having your life ended in a matter of seconds. Some people have said that some of Pickton's pork he sold was accualy flesh of the hookers he killed. ------------- [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/anthonymartinez/402cdjo-1.gif"> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 6:01pm
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I've heard a couple people say that they cant prove it was him/ it probably wasnt, etc....
Yeah right he was set up.... |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 6:06pm
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Dildo gun FTW.
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 6:07pm
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Sounds about right for a horror film...
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 7:00pm
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We abolished the death penalty in 1976 for civilian law, and in 1998 under the National Defence Act. It was last used, I believe, in 1967. I kind of wish I wasn't against the death penalty in this case... But I'd be a hypocrite if I advocated it in a special circumstance. Life in prison will be pure hell for him. He'll likely be killed in jail. A rather grisly case which will undoubtedly fuel a lot of pleasant conversation in my criminal law class. So who else is hyped for the new Hannibal Lecter movie? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 7:09pm
| The things he "allegedly" did to them just creeps the hell out of me... |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 7:14pm
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Dildo gun was rather disturbing..
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 8:05pm
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I think they would have to try to not convict him ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 8:49pm
fixed |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 23 January 2007 at 10:10pm
Hell yes! And like HV said, this is begging to be made into a movie here in a few years when it becomes acceptable to do so... -------------  |
Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:21am
I was watching the news and it was explaining how they spent millions of dollars to '' UPDATE '' the court room.I  ing hate our government.------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:36am
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^lol....You think you got it bad...^
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Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:39am
you ever have a leader that cant speak either official language. ------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 2:11am
Look into the reasons why. Check out the courtroom from the Air India trial, for instance. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 2:20am
Recently my take on the death penalty took a 180 swing. I really support it for him and people like him. It has nothing to do with his crimes, but his state of mind. Hes so far past sane I really don't think life in prison would effect him at all. In almost all other death-penalty-worthy cases, life in prison without parole would be hell enough. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: AK Andrew
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 4:31am
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Please explain. I dont care what the court room looks like. hell it could be outside under a tree for all i care.Give the money to the people who need it. ------------- wHY ARE YOU READING THIS! |
Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 5:28am
We've got one that shouldn't really be allowed to speak, period.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:45am
Prisons are violent places anywhere. Ours are no better or worse than yours- but at the same time we've had prison riots where the sex offender wing was cut off, blockaded, invaded by prisoners and subject to a systematic massacre. Prison's a dangerous place. AK Andrew- I cannot find anything to back up your claims of millions being spend on the courtroom. Please provide me a link. Darur- I know what you're saying and part of me agrees, but I simply do not trust our system to hand down death sentences. Too many mistakes have been made in the past. One mistaken execution is too much. I can't start making exceptions; that's a slippery slope. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:49am
| I was reading on it again on the skytrain this morning (free newspapers ftw) and he still denys he had anything to do with it. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:01pm
Do you guys get Metro out there? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:06pm
Sure do, Metro and 24hrs. I get them most mornings, something to read in transit. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:16pm
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Ah, you got 24hrs as well, eh? Metro's pretty good. 24... more tabloidy. But it is made by the Sun. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:19pm
| Any good news they get, they get straight from reuters or canoe.ca, so I dont give them credit for anything really. It seems that all the stuff I DO want to hear about, just gets a little sentence on the side of the first page. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:56pm
...And then a full page on whichever celebrities were caught banging or whatnot... ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:16pm
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Brihard might understand it ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:37pm
Oh I sure do |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:40pm
| Damn Canadian inside jokes. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:57pm
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Heh... Friggin' Chretien...
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 2:46am
Its not so much an exception as a guideline. Reserve the death penalty for those who are past what we might call "usual" or "curable" evil. In the case of this guy, I'd wager a good bit he is guilty, I have a very hard time seeing logical explanations for ground up human remains on your property, as well as casually saying you killed 50 people and laughing. Granted though, thats more of a judgment thing and I will agree its a dangerous thing to play with that kind of power and defeats the purpose of using that guideline. I just simply see no good in letting him live, its not so much a case of punishment as it is a case of handling a criminal with serious problems. I know that sounds brutally cold, but life in prison wont change him or even be a punishment to him. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Evil Elvis
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 9:23am
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Wow this is just insane. First I hear of it. This si why I tell my wife's kids that the world really is filled with Monsters. I do think the Death penalty isn't harsh enough I think a Life time of a small cell with your spinal cord severed just under neck so you have no control over your body. Would make a better prision cell. Because it would be one you cant escape. I cant think of a worst fate that being a prisioner in my own mind. ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 11:26am
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 11:52am
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Let the prisoners have their way with him. I'm sure hell be in for a lifetime of fun. -------------
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 12:07pm
My curiosity is piqued. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 12:22pm
Soylent green is people! ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 12:28pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 2:18pm
Did you not read the first post, about heads with hands and feet stuffed in them, heads split down the middle, etc |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 3:00pm
Yes, but as I read it, there was no question about him doing the original acts. Allegedly implies he may have not done certain acts, especially when it is in quotes. At least that is how I took it. Thus, I thought he did even more than what was stated in the first post. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 25 January 2007 at 3:37pm
It's "allegedly" because he's not guilty yet, and as a technicality, I was not claiming he did it as fact. |