wich is the faster gun
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Topic: wich is the faster gun
Posted By: GrilledCheese33
Subject: wich is the faster gun
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 10:58am
| me and my friends were arguing wich is fastest |
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Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 12:22pm
| Bob Long. Timmys are poppet and amazingly fast, but Angels are right up there too. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 12:48pm
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Are we talking potential speed? or straight out of the box?
That said, what model are we talking about? I can easily say that a modern day shocker can outrun a bob-long defiant any day. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 1:30pm
No way. Shockers have the worst triggers on the planet and are spools. Spools will always be slower than poppets, the recharge is not as fast. |
tallen702 wrote:Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 1:46pm
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Angels are definately near the top if not there. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 2:08pm
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Any one of those can outrun the other with enough modification. ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 2:59pm
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Stock old-school (02 and under) Defiant Max BPS=13 Max after market = 20.
Current Day Shocker stock BPS= Unlimited (theoretically) Out of box, greater than 15. Add in a virtue board, and you're easily getting over 20bps. You're talking recharge rates that are litterally in the nano-second range. Sure a spool valve may be slower on re-charge rates, but the rate is so insignificant in the scheme of pulling the trigger, that it doesn't even come into play. Shocker triggers, btw, aren't the worst on the planet. They don't even compare to the crap that used to come stock on cockers, anything made by BE (stock Rainmaker included) and a ton of other markers. Ever fired a VM-68? How about a pro-lite or a stock '98? Even in the electro realm, they run about average for stock. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 5:45pm
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Marq6/7/Rapper/whatever, Viking, certain 'Mags with very high input pressure, Ion (yes, truth) , Cyborgs, Ego7 from the looks of things. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 5:45pm
| Tallen, I had no clue we were talking about the first Gen Defiants. When you say Defiant and compare it to a modern shocker I was thinking the Defiant2. The technology gap would ofcourse make the Defiant slower. |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 5:49pm
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Dont mags have one of the fastest cycling internals? That RT supermag with the scuba tank, only thing it hasnt outshot was the Qloader, atleast im pretty sure ------------- 
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 7:14pm
You mean... they actually sold enough to make new ones?!?!?! 
I know I know. I was using that as an example for the poll maker as to how he needs to bring in an age range etc. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Fiction
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 5:44pm
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An angel by far, plus an ion jams alot, at least mine does ------------- http://imgs.pbnation.com/ads/vforce01_b.gif |
Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 2:03am
i'd say that is true with all them except the a-5, a-5 is a sear tripping nightmare, which is the slowest firing mechanisim there is.(in electros) out of the guns listed any can out run any other one, dpeneds o nthe person shooting it, the firing mode, and the mods the gun itself has. straight out of the box though, its probably angel. ------------- Canadians do it on top. 
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Posted By: Nutteralex
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 11:54am
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They all go the same it's all the loader.
------------- Please for the love of god don't get a flatline. |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 7:17pm
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Not really. |
Posted By: Langside
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 7:56pm
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Shockers can go quite fast... but all depends on what board you have as the stock one isn't going to be as fast as a virtue with cheat cheat mods! I would go for the shocker though. |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 7:59pm
What limits the shocker is its trigger. The board does suck, but Virtue sucks too. They are a shady company aswell. |
Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 1:36am
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it saddens me autocockers are no longer included in these arguements... ------------- X |
Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 1:42am
didnt brass eagle buy wgp? if thats so, then that is why. ------------- Canadians do it on top.
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Posted By: Langside
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 5:29am
True true. |
Posted By: an94
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 7:18pm
wow thats the first I heard of an ion jaming. ------------- 1 paintball gun package=$150 1 case of paint=$50 air & entry fee=$15 lighting up newbies all day long= Priceless |
Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 8:59pm
PGI Osiris = Fastest Autococker in existence. 33 bps  ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 11:12pm
Same here. Shens? ------------- If I flee, kill me If I die, avenge me |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 31 January 2007 at 2:08am
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I'm making one... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell" 
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 31 January 2007 at 3:56pm
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^^By the time you do that, ill already have that mag trade done, and be onto another gun search. -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:07am
what exactly is wrong with the shocker's trigger? |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 11:57am
Its sloppy and loose. I took me about an hour and a half to adjust my friend 06 shocker trigger. And it still had a little wiggle to it. |
Posted By: chronic future
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 12:05pm
| well then thats just his shocker, not all shockers ever made. my shocker with the virtue flipped microswitch/ndz slik is ridiculous. one of the best triggers i've ever shot |
Posted By: jerseypaint
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 2:37pm
| I was talking stock trigger. |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 3:17pm
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I agree with jersey, for some reason, i really dislike the stock shocker triggers. I just cant explain it in words. Its just too.... -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 11:10am
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It probably is an Angel. An A5 can probably do that, with a getto Electro-Pneumatic conversion using a M98 E-Bolt as well as a bunch of other things. -------------
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 11:24am
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I can't believe what I'm seeing in these posts. This is sad. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 11:34am
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Meh. I take my sweet time. As for the sear tripper post, guess what an E-Mag is... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: b_mid
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 5:35pm
| definately an angel |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 5:53pm
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Fastest marker I've seen, in full cycles, is a Mag. 36 BPS. Used for testing Q-Loader. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: killerhalo
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 3:36pm
i am srry what an a5 requers less time not to menchin mony to fix and upgrade compared to most guns |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 4:32pm
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It's too bad the A-5 can only cycle 30+ CPS. It would be awesome if it were fast! ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 6:39pm
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30cps is nothing especially when you consider that most electropneumatic markers are really only limited by recharge and feed rates. If you could get one to work off of a direct pressure system (impossible really) so there was no re-charge from the reg, and a hopper that could feed as fast as possible, you could get 50bps out of some of the current technology and materials being used. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: killerhalo
Date Posted: 13 February 2007 at 10:20pm
| ^^ true true i ll give that one to you |
Posted By: TippmannsRkool9
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 8:26pm
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Angels are almost always the faster markers, but the Ion is great for the player that doesn't want to spend $1000+ dollars on a marker. ------------- Tippmanns are cool like Dye's are expensive, and JT Protiums are great markers too! |
Posted By: SSOK
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 5:28pm
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i am srry ur egnlish givs meh a mined grain and u kant spel. yah an a5 requers les time and muny to make leet but wen u try to make a a5 a leet speedball gat taht kan beet an angle u need to make alota ghetto crap to make it leet -------------
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 5:34pm
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Yeah, and he misspelled 1337..... Kids these days! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: Black_Shadow
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 9:08am
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i rofl'ed.... ------------- 98CP ACT R/T J&J Ceramic 14" Egg II w Z-Board GTA Inline X-Chamber NCStar Red-Dot Pen Spring Mod Trigger Stops Polished Internals Dye Sticky Grip 20oz Co2 w On/Off Next Up: Spimmy |
Posted By: Squishey
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 11:12pm
**edited** are you trying to say? ------------- Canadians do it on top.
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Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 09 March 2007 at 4:37pm
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Yeah, W.T.F. is censored, along with S.N.A.F.U. and I can bet **edited** is too. Edit: Yep, F.U.B.A.R. is too. I wonder what they have in common? ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: Connmann
Date Posted: 12 March 2007 at 11:06am
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what happened to the karni?
------------- table of what really makes your marker work *Gnomes= autocockers *Fairies= Angels *Pixies= Timmys *leprachauns= tippys *goblins= spyders *elves= mags *lawyers= smartparts Ya I'm that smart |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 12 March 2007 at 1:16pm
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it died. ------------- 
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 12 March 2007 at 6:25pm
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It died along with the rest of the cockers. |
Posted By: Connmann
Date Posted: 17 March 2007 at 12:07am
I'm buying one but its a superstock = not boxy looking------------- table of what really makes your marker work *Gnomes= autocockers *Fairies= Angels *Pixies= Timmys *leprachauns= tippys *goblins= spyders *elves= mags *lawyers= smartparts Ya I'm that smart |
Posted By: b_mid
Date Posted: 22 March 2007 at 7:08pm
| deff. in my opinion the angel |
Posted By: What to do?
Date Posted: 02 April 2007 at 4:42pm
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Isn't that Great Value Blade II pump supposed to be the fastest marker on the market? *at least thats what the plastic wrapping its in says* ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 April 2007 at 5:05pm
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Why revive dead posts? ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: weemanfan98
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 5:25pm
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Angels!!!!!!!!!!!! R awsome!!!!!!! ------------- Angels !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 7:58pm
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We can tell by your sig.
Which is great by the way. -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 8:09pm
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Wewt, my Spitfired Fly and Boosted Cheetah just took me to 26 bps. Not the fastest, but wewt anyway. |
Posted By: Sonex
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 8:19pm
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Sooooo...why does it matter whats fastest? Everyone kows its not about speed, its about how you use it besides I think most are in agreement that angels pretty much own speed, but they cost as much as a really used car, and nobody wants to pay that much |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 8:33pm
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The faster the gun, the bigger the penis. Angels don't own in speed. They are up there, but not the fastest. The one I hit 26 with would go for about 400, stock and used. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 8:59pm
Angels definitely don't own speed, Autocockers with extremely rare and exotic parts do, but the bottom of the market fell out right when things just got good, so there aren't many around. That aside, Angels aren't all that expensive. They're on average with every other high-end electro out there. As for speed, trust me... you need it. While knowing how to use your marker and play effectively are huge parts of the game. Adding speed into the equation makes you that much more lethal. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: RicWhic414
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 9:05pm
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I believe Mags have the fastest recharge rate and I thought Zack got one to 30bps. I don't think speed is that important anyways... Once you get to 15bps it really doesn't matter anymore IMO. I would rather have accuracy, but thats just me. ------------- Tuesday starts the weekend... YAYAYA!!!! CHUFF CHUFF |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 10:23pm
| It really bugs me when people think that accuracy decreases as ROF goes up. |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 10:24pm
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If you could feed an MQ'ed race-framed 'cocker fast enough, it'll do 40+bps. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 10:44pm
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Like I said, if you have mastered technique with a high ROF marker, you have the same accuracy as a pump. My "study" applies to the majority. ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 10:46pm
| Ah, see I'm not thinking in the same realm as you. I often get the impression that people think that if a gun shooting 4 bps and a gun shooting 15 bps are placed in vises, the 4 bps one will be more accurate. |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 10:56pm
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I hope people have enough common sense to see past that. It's just like "The Flatline can only take low BPS!!1!" Wrongo... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 3:38pm
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Wow, detrevni, ive finally seen an osiris cocker on AO. I thought id never see one the way you were talking. He has an xonic frame on it. Makes it look UGLY. -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 3:59pm
Edit: Found it! So PM'd... ------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 4:09pm
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Did I just make your day? Let me guess, your next gun? -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: DeTrevni
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 4:10pm
We'll see! 
------------- Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 7:13pm
WHOREEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Just joking, go for it! Trade the E-mag if you have to! ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: MeanMan
Date Posted: 05 April 2007 at 3:31pm
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NO! NOT THE E-MAG!!!!! -------------
hybrid-sniper~"To be honest, if I see a player still using an Impulse I'm going to question their motives." |
Posted By: Yomillio
Date Posted: 05 April 2007 at 6:24pm
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Id do everything i could to get an osiris, especially considering that someone on the nation talked to a WGP rep recently, and I guess WGP is working with PE to make another frame similar to the E2 once again... I guess its supposed to blow everything on the current market away and may possibly be better than the E2. ------------- 
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