Bwahaha!
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Topic: Bwahaha!
Posted By: Hysteria
Subject: Bwahaha!
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:33pm
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My girlfriend and I are kind of debating religion. She says something along the lines of "We have faith we don't need facts." At this point I busted out laughing. Before, I had said something to her about how the fact that dinosaurs existed really goes against the Bible since they are said to have been around millions of years ago and the Bible says we have only been here ~ 6,000 years. This was brought up again just now and she said something about how maybe they co-existed and the Bible does not mention it because the writers didn't see it as noteworthy, or something to that effect. I had to stop arguing here so as to not put myself in the doghouse by repeatedly laughing in her face. Gotta love Theist logic. |
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:34pm
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But haven't you seen those old stop motion movies of cavemen running from dinosaurs? Obviously she's right. ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:34pm
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Bail. Like....yesterday. |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:35pm
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search youtube for richard dawkins. /argument win for you. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:39pm
I started to watch some 70 minute thing of his, but something came up. Also, I want to get his book, but as my mom is very religious, I don't think she would like seeing that come in the mail very much. |
procarbinefreak wrote:Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:40pm
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Well, I'm a pretty devout Christian, and yes, the whole religion makes no sense. Even though that is true, I'm sure God exists just because of things that have happened in my life that I can't explain in any other way. Yes, I'm one of those people...
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:41pm
| Heck, you can prove the whole 6000 years thing wrong with a telescope. Light years, etc. How many lightyears away can you see? That would mean how long the universe has been around....more than 6000 years. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:46pm
| Yeah, I think I have brought that up as well. In fact, I think I was prompted to do so by the Hubble ymntd that Detrevni posted. |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:51pm
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DOOD UR SO KEWL CUZ U LAUGH AT RELIGION. ATHEISTS FTW. ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:55pm
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My history prof is my kind of Christian. He's logical, sarcastic, cusses.....and DOESN'T TAKE THE BIBLE LITTERALLY! I'm all for the ideas and values Christ taught, the bible and the church is what screws it all up....
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Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:55pm
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athiesm is the new "in" thing. like hating mcdonalds and george bush.
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:55pm
Thats the advantage of my girlfriend being agnostic... makes life simpler and saves me lots of arguments ------------- "I AM a crossdresser." -Reb Cpl Forum Vice President RIP T&O Forum |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:58pm
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You are not a smart man. I've dated some pretty religious girls before and with them that is just a topic you ignore. ------------- 
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:59pm
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So you enjoy stomping on your girlfriend's faith? Nice healthy relationship you got going on. Speaking as someone who has a girlfriend who is church-going, religious and all that while me myself not being that way, I have to say that you either 1) have to let it go, or 2) dump her already. Faith is something people put value in their lives in, and while it may seem silly to you, it probably is not to her. If you keep thinking you have to "convert" her so to speak and belittle what she believes in you are pretty much doomed. ------------- 
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:01pm
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Posted By: ANARCHY_SCOUT
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:03pm
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Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:17pm
So logical and rational thinking without blind faith is the new "in" thing. If only that were the case... Mbro and Whale, I do tend to stray away from arguments about religion and I am not trying to "convert" her, but I can not help but to call BS on a very rare occasion. |
Posted By: carl_the_sniper
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:26pm
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there are people who take religion very seriously One guy told me that smoking pot will take you to hell I asked him why he said that I was breaking the rules I asked him... "what rules" (knowing the answer obviously) "the 10 commandments of course" I asked him which ones he told me that I was lying (i suppose that breaks #9) I asked him, "to whom is it lying?" he studders for a minute.... then bursts out: the police i just laughed and walked away. ---------- Nothing against religion, to each his own I suppose. I guess the closest religion i am to is agnostic. I believe there was a creator but not in any organized religion ------------- <just say no to unnecessarily sexualized sigs> |
Posted By: STOcocker
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:52pm
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Just to get this out there. The Bible never defines how long a year is. That 6,000 years could be a lot longer than 6,000 years of how we think about it. |
Posted By: Hysteria
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:57pm
But unless the Bible's definition of the word varies each time, it does not make that much of a difference. Say each year in the Bible is actually 100 years. That means Jesus lived to be 3,300 and the earth is 600,000 years old. There is no way Jesus lived that long and the Earth has still been around longer than that. |
Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 11:05pm
The Christian old testament is a translation of the Hebrew bible, with Judaism being traceable to about 2000 BCE. As a Hebrew text it would be a very reasonable assumption that it was based off the ancient Hebrew calendar- which is a lunar calendar of 354 days and eight hours, divided into twelve months. Every two or three years an extra leap month is added to equalize it with the solar calendar, bringing it to within a few days equivalence of one of our years. So no, not a valid premise. Isn't research fun? ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 11:05pm
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 11:12pm
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The important thing to remember about the Old Testament is that it's a collection of stories...not accounts. So I wouldn't exactly try to judge the mysteries of the universe by it... Anyway, I'm a fairly devout Christian, I don't believe the earth is only six thousand years old. It's a retarded point that a bunch of elitist Creationists want to argue to their grave...something that has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.
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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 11:13pm
Healthy, respectable attitude.  ------------- "Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation." -FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 11:18pm
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: DsXz
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 6:24am
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Posted By: Brian Fellows
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 6:40am
| Young-earth creationists crack me up. I love asking them where in the Bible it even mentions the earth's age. |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 8:21am
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I feel that it's a sad state of affairs that, to so many in society, simple faith, beyond proof, is a flaw.
So much of existence, both on the Earth and in the infinite cosmos, is clearly beyond our comprehension. There are forces and reasons behind so many things that we don't understand, and those forces could be what we consider to be God. In the future of humanity what we understand to be true now will seem laughable. Having faith in something beyond ourselves makes a certain sense. It's optimistic in most cases. A lot of people need that. I think along the lines of the Dali Lama. Faith is more important than religion. I don't need my faith defined into a religion in order to believe. ------------- 
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 8:25am
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 8:31am
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We have may have clear proof that contradicts religion, but disproving faith in a higher power is nigh impossible. I just make a distinction between faith and religion. I have the former. If there is a higher power, it is beyond human comprehension, and any definition we assign it is prone to flaws. The more specific the definition or religion, the more room for error. -------------
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 8:37am
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: reifidom
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 8:40am
I agree completely. People do some nutty things because of specific and literal ideas of God and religion. -------------
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Posted By: Da Hui
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 9:44am
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"There is no fanaticism as virile as faith" - Cradle of Filth She's back.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=9NYPLU92Kgk - God Warrior ------------- 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 10:15am
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The best thing you can do in regards to Judeo-Christian religion and theological debates, is to learn as much as you can OUTSIDE of the given dogma accepted (erroneously) by most branches of the Christian faith.
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 1:05pm
My point is that the Bible never makes any issue as to the age of the earth. The writers of the Old Testament use stories and accounts to provide moral examples, if you will, not a scientific study on the creation and properties of the planet. It's ridiculous to try to use an ancient book as a basis for science. A guide for life? Yes. Science? No. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 1:24pm
| Hysteria - Just remember, you won't change her mind by using logic. It's antithetical to what she believes in, and therefore means nothing to her. |
Posted By: Schlockmerc
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 1:41pm
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Whats it matter. You exist... why worry? ------------- George Zimmer is a sexy mother |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 3:13pm
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I am a Christian as all of you probably know, and I can tell you that the Bible makes no claims to how old the earth is, it doesn't even come out and say just how many years it has been since Adam was alive. We can make some guesses based on the Genealogies in the Bible on just how many years it has been since Adam, and it seems to be about 6,000 years, but just remember, before the fall of Adam and Eve mankind was immortal according to the Bible, so we dont know just how many years it was from the time of creation untill the time of the fall of man, it could have millions even billions of years. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 5:46pm
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 6:06pm
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^^^yeah. I'm not atheist because it's cool. I'm atheist because it's what i believe is true.... ------------- X |
Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 6:11pm
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