Vegetarianism
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Topic: Vegetarianism
Posted By: Benjichang
Subject: Vegetarianism
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:36pm
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I've been tossing around the idea of becoming a vegetarian a lot lately, and today I finally decided to do it. Don't get me wrong, I love meat a lot, so I'm accepting the fact that this may be difficult at first. It's just that I really haven't been eating too great lately, and hopefully this will help me make a change in my lifestyle. Also, raising animals for meat is an inefficient process from an energy prospective. Anyway, who else on here is vegetarian/vegan. Any tips/suggestions? -------------  irc.esper.net #paintball |
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:38pm
| Dont do it? |
Posted By: pntbl freak
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:38pm
| I would think being a vegetarian is less healthy than eating well balanced meals which include meat. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:40pm
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pntbl freak wrote:Posted By: blackdog144
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:43pm
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umm why? you said you liked meat...
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:48pm
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:49pm
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:49pm
| I'd say just really take a look at what you eat and why. Dont eat less, just eat healthier. What about exercise? |
Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:52pm
| I believe you are going to have a hard time keeping to it because if you are on the road and have a quick stop at some place like Burger King, you will be eating the same thing over and over. If you feel like doing it, go ahead, just do it right. I like chicken too much to stop eating meat. |
Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:54pm
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So.. you're doing this for a girl right? ------------- 
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:55pm
Hopefully I'll be able to go into town tomorrow and pick up some tofu and such. The local grocery store doesn't have any.
No, not at all. I haven't told my girlfriend yet, and she's probably going to make fun of me for it. I'm not overweight or anything. I'm pretty thin for my height. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:58pm
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My lady friend is a vegetarian. She doesnt have a problem with me eating meat luckily. Some products you may not be aware that have animal products. Jello Any fried foods cooked in the same fryer as meat products. Some Ranch dressings Bread Cake Crackers Mayo The list goes on and on.... Good Luck. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:59pm
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^ I'm not avoiding all animal products, just meat. I'm trying to be a vegetarian, not a vegan. That would be way too hard IMO.
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:01pm
| As long as you do it properly. Be aware that you cant just do away with meat, you need substitutes. |
Posted By: God
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:03pm
| Then what is the point? The products your not going to avoid are farmed the same way the meat is. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:03pm
I'm not doing it so much from an animal rights perspective. Here's one of my reasons.
So yeah..maybe that sounds a bit hypocritical since I'm still going to be consuming animal products. But at least I'll be cutting back, and maybe I can go the vegan route after awhile. Right now however, that just seems like too big of a step. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:06pm
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I like meat way too much to every try to stop eating it.
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Posted By: Hairball!!!
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:16pm
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:16pm
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Great, now I have to sponsor you too...
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:22pm
| My question for you is this. How are you going to get the Vitamin K12? You need it. It only comes in meat or dairy products. Or you could take a pill, but the K12 pills, well they come from animals. So, how can you become a true vegen if you need K12 to live? Man is an omnivore, to be anything else is plain not possible unless you just evolved. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:22pm
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I've been a vegetarian for 3 years, it will be 4 in April. Eating the flesh of other animals always kind of irked me, especially since it isn't necessary to stay healthy.I go to the doctor every year for a regular check-up where they draw blood and everything, they always say I'm perfectly healthy. I love the taste of meat, but giving it up wasn't that hard. As long as you believe your doing the right thing, you'll be fine, or at least I was. Don't you hunt? ------------- 
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Posted By: Skillet42565
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:23pm
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he said hes not eating meat, but he can still kill animals.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:25pm
Well, I used to. I haven't killed anything since 1999 though. Hunting is something that I really won't miss terribly. I was never really that into it, truth be told. I kind of just always went along with it because my dad introduced my to hunting at an early age. So no, I won't be killing any animals, and I haven't killed any animals for 8 years. I think I enjoy shooting targets more than animals. ------------- irc.esper.net #paintball |
Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:27pm
You know, I love it whenever they pull up that figure. As well as the caloric intake figure. A 2000C diet is fine.... you know.... if you're going to sit on your ass at a desk every single day. The fact of the matter is this. A man doing ANY kind of manual labor requires over 3000 calories per day to simply maintain his strength, not necessarily gaining any mass (muscle or otherwise) Women require around 2000 Calories per day for the same. The FDA suggests fewer for the american public due to our sedentary lifestyle on a whole, but the same caloric intake requirements are always thrown out there for people in countries where people don't get enough to eat. Studies of the inmates of the soviet Gulag system who were put on "punishment" rations when they didn't perform well, show that when taking in less than 3000Calories per day, people doing any type of agricultural, forestry, mining or other labor intensive work rapidly degraded to a point where they were either sent to the infirmary to recover, or were worked to death. Now, if you apply the same theory to developing nations where the people are already in starvation conditions and have no way to create or maintain a sustainable agriculture, the outcome becomes even more bleak. Political "feel good" aside (you know, the whole idea of "if we could all just eat vegetarian, the world would have enough food" crap) The grain that is fed to beef and other forms of livestock isn't suitable AT ALL for human consumption. We simply don't have the ability to break down the products fed to these animals (the particular high-yeild corns and grains) ouselves. So, while it takes 16#'s of grain to produce 1# of cow, we couldn't even eat those 16#'s of grain and put on 1# of flesh ourselves. Cattle and live-stock grains are usually far more productive per-acre than anything fit for human consumption. In addition, if we even tried to eat some of these grains, we would actually loose nutrition to the proccess of trying to digest and use them. Add into the mix that it takes a ton of different mixtures of grains, pulses, legumes, etc to give you all the nutrition you need, and well, eating meat just makes more sense. To get all of the ammino acids your body needs to keep from breaking down, you have to either eat Quinoi every single day for every single meal for the rest of your life, or you can mix soy beans and rice, lentils and beans and rice, etc etc. Or, you can just have a **edited**ing steak...... ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:28pm
I know you didnt say vegan, but if you're against using animal products/ things made at the expense of animals...alot of medical advances are out for you |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:42pm
Yeah, I don't put animals before my health, if an anti-biotic is in a gelatin capsule or something, I won't refuse to take it. -------------
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Posted By: Kristofer
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:46pm
| ok. I probably should have read more of the following posts to understand you werent going vegen. my bad. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:48pm
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I have gone vegetarian before. I enjoyed it, I stopped out of laziness. I would say go for it. If you want to, just try it and see if it is for you. I don't know who so many people here are so damned offended by vegetarians. What is so wrong with somebody who choses to not eat meat? The stereotype of the vegetarian who hates meat eaters [one which I have never actually seen in person] seems to be opposite of reality. In reality it seems most people hate/look down on vegetarians. ------------- 
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Posted By: stratoaxe
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:53pm
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Have at...I know several vegetarians. I guess I sort of understand why you're doing it...but I didn't really understand-you're going to quit eating meat because the vegetables used to feed the meat you're eating could be used to feed the hungry? Admirable, but a tad bit pointless. Either way, while meat is good for you, a large portion of the meat we as a society consume probably doesn't fall under the category of healthy anyway. So will you still be eating cheese and dairy products? Just curious. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 9:28pm
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i have no problem with vegetarians, i just dont like when they look at me wierd when i have a burger. i usually don't eat that much red meat anymore, but once in a while i enjoy it. im italian, so like it's always some kind of pasta for dinner lol. ------------- 
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Posted By: raflexjrsr
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 10:02pm
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Dude...how old are you? If you're under 35-40...Don't give a whit about cholesterol and carbs!!!! If you aren't, well, think about it. You could be like a 80% vegetarian... watch them words. |
Posted By: Dye Playa
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 10:05pm
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Posted By: Roll Tide
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 10:12pm
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Can't comment, eating a delicious filet.
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Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 10:16pm
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I know quite a few vegetarians, and they all seem fine to me. I'd say go for it, I think it's a good thing.
I keep thinking about it, but it's not at all feasible for me, because to get enough protein to continue to build muscle I'd have to eat like 3 cans of beans every day, and I'm just not that interested. Plus, I like meat. Maybe after college though, we'll see. |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 11:30pm
| I just enjoy a fine filet too damn much. It makes life worth living. |
Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 11:59pm
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 12:23am
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Well, I wouldn't do it...but if you want to try it, good for you. Your reasoning is somewhat noble and your idea of self sacrifice is more so. I would say though that humans as a species have developed into the dominant sentient creatures that we are because of our omnivorous, leaning toward carnivorous eating habits, this doesn't really matter to you as a fully evolved individual, but still. Creatures consuming other creatures is absolutely natural and I find it extremely hard to find any real moral flaws in it. But, like I said, if you want to, go for it. You'll at least be a good source of diversity, which is always a plus....
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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 12:30am
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so vegatables arn't any better than animals? just because they don't have a face, doesn't mean they don't have feelings. Racist. ------------- X |
Posted By: Silent
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 11:32am
| My friend is a vegetarian and he is short. We are both the same age. You need meat to grow. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 11:38am
Now that I hate! I am a hunter, I grew up with a rifle in my hand, and no one should ever kill anything unless they are going to eat it or they have a good reason, for example; killing rodents because they cary deseise, killing prarie dogs because they will trip our horses and break thier legs, etcetera, etcetera. But if you hunt you better be willing to eat what you kill, it keeps you from wasting anything and builds an appreciation for what God has created. -------------  Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 11:54am
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You've got a really good point Tae, and to be honest, I used to be one of those guys that stood in dismay over the idea of a vegetarian. To each his own, but like many of the posters in here said, its hard to do properly. I HAVE however, met one of those 'meat eater haters' one of the girls I went to college with was a MILITANT vegetarian, and was convinced that my eating the flesh of animals was going to contribute to my being sentenced to hell. That I saw as an excuse to goad her into all kinds of arguments and seized every opportunity to torment her that I could. Otherwise, I just don't care. |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 12:01pm
See, thats the kind of vegetarian that bothers me, I could care less if somone chooses not to eat meat, but when they try to force it on me, then I get angry. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 12:03pm
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Thats usually the philosophy I try to adopt with everything. Leave me be, and I'll leve you be. ....unless you're a liberal.
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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 12:09pm
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 12:25pm
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I think it's great that you are become vegetarian. It's very
tough and you deserve alot of respect. I tried it for two
weeks and then couldn't do it anymore. It was because of the way the animals are treated and factory farmed it's absolutly horrible. But I say that you can never eat enough chick peas to get your daily intake of protein plus eating meat is the best way to get it. If you want a healthy diet cutting meat out is not the way to go. Very difficult to do. I have spent 60$ of vegetarian books and it is difficult to stay a vegetarian for a long time. If you were to eat Free-farm food rather than factory farm stuff you be making just as big of an impact if you are doing this for the animals that are shoved in cages with too many other bird, have their becks melted off, have their throats slit, many get missed and make it to the boiler area to have their feathers taken off and get boiled alive. Some end up drowning in the water/the other birds blood. It's just horrible. If you are trying to make an impact against this you'll make an ever bigger one by eating free-run-farm foods cause you'll be showing that free-run-farms do make money. Do what you like but trust me it's a hard step and you might still be able to eat meat (that's healthier too) if you eat everything from free-run-farms. Good luck  |
Posted By: Mephistopheles
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:21pm
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If you do it, just be sure you do it because you want to, and for the right reasons. Not from being misinformed and the ever so usual guilt trip. There are so many whiney people who are guilt ridden and feel that they need to make a stand, goes for more than just vegetaris/vegans.
The harvest feed for animals is of lesser quality than that of Taco Bell, and TB isn't even legally considered food! So you're not saving the world's hunger problem by not eating meat. Want to cure world hunger? You go for the cause, not the symptom. Snake head it. Education is the root cure for most all situations. If 3rd world places where people are starving could stop procreating like it was a race or a hobby, the situations would improve. How so? Less overpopulation, less mouths to feed, more foreign aid and more harvest per person! Support won't be spread as thin thus equal amount of today will have a stronger impact. If you have guilt for how the animals are treated, just remember. Many vegetarian/vegan products are here with the bloodshed of animals, destruction of their habitats. Combines and farming equipment kill millions of animals every year to produce their crops. And just because it wasn't done so in a slaughter house doesn't make it any less brutal. Here's some more guilt. See those shirts you have in the closet? Shoes on the floor? Chances are they were made in sweatshops by underage, overworked, drastically underpaid children in developing countries. Drive a car? About 75% of the oil from the world market goes to numerous nations who fund terrorism, fund vicious dictators who hate America, etc. Not to mention oil spills that kill tens of thousands of animals and environmental pollution it causes. So really if you want to become a vegetarian, go for it. Just don't try and kid yourself on some of the BS that goes into why people do it, or why you should do it. Don't do it because you fall for the guilt. If you think you can sufficiently live healthily and just want to then do it. No big whoop. ------------- http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=166647&PN=1"> 
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Posted By: tallen702
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:22pm
Wow, PETA's done a good job on you haven't they Phil! I absolutely adore the "farms are cruel" and "free range is better for you" arguments. I can't tell you how abso-freaking-lutely I love absolute idiocy of those arguments. Have there been documented cases where animals have been in abusive farms or processing plants? Yes, but that doesn't mean that every farm/production plant out there is cruel and inhumane to the livestock they are in the business of growing/packing. Your militant animal rights groups such as PETA latch on to these specific cases and flat out LIE that they are the norm. The FDA and USDA guidelines that govern the breeding, growing, and processing livestock are rather strict. If you want to see some messy and inhumane stuff, check out Russia, the EU, and Latin and South American countries. Yes, some American cattle and poultry houses don't treat their product in the most humane or clean way possible, but it doesn't make business sense to do so, hence, most of the instances of brutality are isolated. As a chef, I can tell you that the vast majority of the market for beef, poultry, and fish, is the restaurant industry, and restaurant owners and chefs aren't going to buy stuff that has been bruised, or improperly handled because it makes for crappy food! Also, free-range does not equal better or healthier for you. The resulting animals from free-range farms have a much lower caloric value and are lacking in the full range of vitamins and minerals that you get from grain-fed animals. Not to mention that animals marketed as "free range" don't necessarily go straight from the field to the slaughterhouse. Most are still put on a feed lot for the last few days to fatten them up before they enter the processing phase. Same goes for chickens, etc. The laws governing labeling organic and free-range products in the US are so lax, that I could take advantage of any one of thousands of loopholes and sell you wonderfully genetically altered fruits and vegetables grown in fertilized soil with pesticides as "organic". It's true gentlemen and Clark and Sporx. ------------- <Removed overly wide sig. Tsk, you know better.> |
Posted By: MT. Vigilante
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:26pm
Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of anything, I was just pointing out the fact that I can't stand it when people do that. ------------- Join the XP Re-Revolution!
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:36pm
Trust me tallen I think the people that are in anyway involved with PETA are a bunch of hypocritical lying morons that put the lives of animals above the lives of humans (some of them do) and have the stupidest wants and desires for animals I've ever heard of. But yes I have learned a lot from them and most of it I haven't beleived because I had read other things, but yes a good bit of my information has come from them. So, you are probably right about me being a bit mis-informed on this topic as the way animals are killed are not all the same and it's not as bad everywere. Like some places use these electrical boomsticks that get stuck in their spine area and it kills them almost instantly. I think that's better than the things I saw on PETA, but anyway congrats you proved some great points and I learned even more myself just from reading what you said so thanks. |
Posted By: FlimFlam
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:36pm
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http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm - PETA Kills Animals ------------- 
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Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:40pm
I'm 6'2. You will grow if you consume the right nutrients. -------------
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Posted By: phil_stl
Date Posted: 02 February 2007 at 2:42pm
Yes I know about PETA I know about there freezer where they would store the neutralized animals that they said they saved off of the streets. I do know a bit about PETA but sure I was mis-informed about things. I don't like PETA though. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1913999390200944075 - Here's a good link |